Hiruzen

[gazmatic]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

My point is that there's reasons we can call people like the1st an SO6P incredbibly strong. When danzo, the 3rd an the second hokage were in war, which is when i would guess he was in his prime. If he was so strong him an the second along with the rest of those nobodies could of fought. Its was 20 ninja's an those twin dudes. I dout someone like the 1st would of lost to them, or even the 3rd raikage. The 1st because of his strength, healing, an wood style. An the 3rd because of his strength, speed an durablity. What does the 3rd bring to the table that makes him so great?He knows alot of justu? Cause so does kakashi...

dude. is English ur first language? nothing wrong with misspelling words but I cudnt understand shiiite for wat u wrote... my point is, to underrate hiruzen is to underrate the second. if u say dat da second is weak den hiruzen being stronger means nothing but if u say the second is strong den hiruzen surpassin him is pretty noteworthy. until kishi cums an say: ma bad, I was just trollin, hiruzen prime ain worth shit" I will take kishi's word for it. hiruzen prime> 1st and second hokage. dattebayo!!

 

[TheSages456]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

hashirama>>>>hiruzen

not only does hashirama have far superior feats to hiruzen, he also has much superior hype. if you compare hashiramas feats to hiruzens then hiruzen fanboys will desperately say just because A>B doesnt mean A>C.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

Still using that argument huh xd.

Anyway, Asoon as hiruzen saw him make the hand sign began to the summoning.

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It also filled the Area in an Instant, Being serious or not doesn't really effect a Jutsu's speed.
a Split second after he was caught enma was Summoned, so if he was "serious" or not i think he could would of summoned him



It doesn't go against what kabuto said.

Kabuto said there isn't any Ninja on his level Anymore, Meaning there once was. He was talking about the current living shinobi.

had he been caught in the genjutsu when the 1st and 2nd were summoned and oro wanted to kill him what would have happened?

 

[Dead Demon Consuming Seal]

hiruzen what did he have over onoki

what makes hiruzen better than onoki as stated by kabuto

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or was it just to make oruchimaru feel better

 

[Exaar]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

had he been caught in the genjutsu when the 1st and 2nd were summoned and oro wanted to kill him what would have happened?

Thats like me Saying what if Hiruzen actually used one of his 1000 Genjutsu's

Or what if he summoned Enma asoon as he saw the coffins and not allow Oro to plant the Tagged Kunai in the Hokages heads.

There all Ifs and Buts.

 

[Urda]

Re: hiruzen what did he have over onoki

IDK and does it matter. All his hype was from his Prime and Era. Just like Hashirama. Their is no need to bring up these. It only cause problems.

 

[soulreaper11]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

let me make one thing painfully clear..

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this states in black and white that oro and hokages were in fact toying since they wanted to see what hiruzen was capable of. and during most of the fight oro was standing around mocking hiruzen instead of getting himself involved. probably because he felt hashirama alone would be enough. tobirama only did one offensive jutsu then spent the rest of the match using just taijutsu. would oro who is intending to kill hiruzen as fast as possible really make the hokages only use taijutsu when hiruzens permanently trapped in darkness? would he really only use 2 or 3 jutsus of his own (hidden snake hands, edo tensei, longsword of the sky) if he really wanted to finish it as soon as possible? he didnt even cancel edo tensei to save his summons meaning he thought he could handle it without them. would the legendaru senju hashirama whos cells oro has studied really only use one mokuton ninjutsu, and not his other abilities? hiruzen appealed to his interest in seeing a jutus he hadnt before, and thats it. if he wanted he could have ended it then and there and hiruzen cant do anything about it

lol you forgot that you could only do the reaper death seal when your charka is at zero or close to death hiruzen know he could not win the fight the moment oro summon the 1st and the 2nd and was going to die and had it planned out to take them with him. A question for you if he is not the strongest hokage then why would kishi make him take on both the oro,1st and 2nd by himself?

 

[yeahhboi]

Re: hiruzen what did he have over onoki

what makes hiruzen better than onoki as stated by kabuto

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or was it just to make oruchimaru feel better

dude alot of people misunderstand what kabuto meant when he said that, and those were not kabuto's exact words, that translation is wrong

what kabuto actually said was, "you defeated someone who is said to be the strongest of the kages, because he is the hokage" this is the correct phrase, what this means is that because he bears the title hokage, he is viewed as the strongest of the kages because of all the accomplishments of previous hokages such as hashirama, tobirama and minato

hiruzen was never and will never be the strongest hokage or kage whether prime or not, cause he sucks, the best thing he can do is summon that stupid monkey enma, and make useless element combo attacks that wont kill anyone

hiruzen will get creamed by any current and previous kage, wat can this guy do but cry for minato and copy his jutsu, all hiruzen fanboys are the stupidest people on the base, they make lord sasuke fans seem rational

 

[Gouryuuka]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

Well of course he was toyed with in the Bringer of Darkness genjutsu. If he wanted to kill Hiruzen right off the bat then powerful ninjutsu would have engulfed Hiruzen while he was trapped. Old age is what hindered Hiruzen the most. If this had been Prime Hiruzen, then Oro would have taken the fight more seriously.

 

[Dead Demon Consuming Seal]

Re: hiruzen what did he have over onoki

IDK and does it matter. All his hype was from his Prime and Era. Just like Hashirama. Their is no need to bring up these. It only cause problems.

i know that during his prime he would have been alot stronger i agree. i know i dosent really matter but not many question posted on this web site matter either.but i under stand all the arguments people have but i didn't say anything about hashi.
plus yeahhboi explianed to me what kabuto was trying to say and know i understand(if its true
i was just courious after all

 

[MacMiller]

Re: hiruzen what did he have over onoki

What makes him worse than him?

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

Re: hiruzen what did he have over onoki

Hiruzen=no back problems

 

[kimbo]

Re: hiruzen what did he have over onoki

dude alot of people misunderstand what kabuto meant when he said that, and those were not kabuto's exact words, that translation is wrong

what kabuto actually said was, "you defeated someone who is said to be the strongest of the kages, because he is the hokage" this is the correct phrase, what this means is that because he bears the title hokage, he is viewed as the strongest of the kages because of all the accomplishments of previous hokages such as hashirama, tobirama and minato

hiruzen was never and will never be the strongest hokage or kage whether prime or not, cause he sucks, the best thing he can do is summon that stupid monkey enma, and make useless element combo attacks that wont kill anyone

hiruzen will get creamed by any current and previous kage, wat can this guy do but cry for minato and copy his jutsu, all hiruzen fanboys are the stupidest people on the base, they make lord sasuke fans seem rational

Hahahahahaha

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

Re: hiruzen what did he have over onoki

hype maybe

 

[Drakengard]

Re: hiruzen what did he have over onoki

From what we know of Hiruzen he seemed to fight with a variety of elemental jutsu along with other forms like "ninja art". The summon's pretty cool as well I'd say. I'd predict that in his prime he could perform loads of techniques but on a higher level because of higher chakra pools (see how Onoki goes from making a rock golem to a super huge rock golem? lol).

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

Re: hiruzen what did he have over onoki

dude alot of p
ople misunderstand what kabuto meant when he said that, and those were not kabuto's exact words, that translation is wrong

what kabuto actually said was, "you defeated someone who is said to be the strongest of the kages, because he is the hokage" this is the correct phrase, what this means is that because he bears the title hokage, he is viewed as the strongest of the kages because of all the accomplishments of previous hokages such as hashirama, tobirama and minato

hiruzen was never and will never be the strongest hokage or kage whether prime or not, cause he sucks, the best thing he can do is summon that stupid monkey enma, and make useless element combo attacks that wont kill anyone

hiruzen will get creamed by any current and previous kage, wat can this guy do but cry for minato and copy his jutsu, all hiruzen fanboys are the stupidest people on the base, they make lord sasuke fans seem rational

No just no everything you just said no just no I cant believe yu just said that

 

[TobisPawn]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

I agree, he wasn't even perfected. Oro's Edo was imperfect.

Nah. Just recently, Kabuto stated that Orochimaru perfect Edo Tensei. Its just Part 2 power scaling being higher than Part 1.

 

[The Necromancer]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

hashirama>>>>hiruzen

not only does hashirama have far superior feats to hiruzen, he also has much superior hype. if you compare hashiramas feats to hiruzens then hiruzen fanboys will desperately say just because A>B doesnt mean A>C.

Agreed

 

[ll BL4CKM00N ll]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

During the fight with orochimaru Hizuren wasnt resolved to kill him, during that whole fight hizuren was dealing with the internal conflict of have to take the responsibility of killing his prize student. A student that he thought of as a son, along with The psychological pressure of fighting his two former teacher there would be no wonder his performance was miserable. When hizuren, finally chose to kill oro he chose to do it in a way where he didn't have to live with the fact of killing oro, his beloved student and still be able to correct his mistake of not killing oro in the past. Hence why he reverted to yondaime's tech.

 

[Sage of Infinity Paths]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

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