The most intelligent character in the Narutoverse.

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+rep dude also if you noted shikamaru s first fight with hidan when asuma died he did nothing after he learn the enemy abaillity he did very well however itachi reads your intentions in battle and if you face him a secound time think about it if he can counter almost every move in the first time he encounters you in the secound you are fineshed

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tobi>shikaku>shikamaru>minato>itachi>kakashi>the rest
 

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I hate to say it but I'm going with Madara Uchiha, the way he foresaw future events, knew to steal then utilize Hashirama's cells, and manipulated things in his favor from the grave, is just fu**ing genius.
 

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I hate to say it but I'm going with Madara Uchiha, the way he foresaw future events, knew to steal then utilize Hashirama's cells, and manipulated things in his favor from the grave, is just fu**ing genius.

I'll agree that Madara is clever. I just don't think he's as Philosophical and deep as Itachi is.
 

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there have been shinobi who display great intelligence in different situations.

Itachi is the most intelligent shinobi in a strategic/batte setting and skill

shikamaru has shown the best intelligence is planning ahead IMO

Orochimaru has shown the best intelligence on a scientific standpoint, and skill.
 

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there have been shinobi who display great intelligence in different situations.

Itachi is the most intelligent shinobi in a strategic/batte setting and skill

shikamaru has shown the best intelligence is planning ahead IMO

Orochimaru has shown the best intelligence on a scientific standpoint, and skill.

Agreed, however I think Itachi is the best in planning ahead. Even though he failed with Sasuke, it's just my opinion :shy:
 

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There's a few people smarter than Itachi IMO.
 

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There's a few people smarter than Itachi IMO.

I respect your opinion U_U
I just think he's too philosophical and deep, no character shares the raw intelligence, and caprice for knowledge like he does, just my opinion though :p
 

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Agreed, however I think Itachi is the best in planning ahead. Even though he failed with Sasuke, it's just my opinion :shy:
He only failed because of unforeseeable circumstances..

His plans actually all would have suceeded..

EG- The moment he died, sasuke would have had no more revenge and thus returned to Konoha....

Ofc tobi stepped in.. But he planned for that... This time tobi had an unknown jutus that escaped amaterasu.. He planned for that..

His plan once again failed due to Kabuto ressurecting him via edo tensei..


Things that no matter who was planning , they could NOT have stopped or predicted .....


I can go on on how Minato's plans would have failed if it weren't for itachi also U_U


Fact is, Tobi didn't even belive how far itachi plans ahead... and tobi doesn't even know about the Back up backup KA plan..
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He only failed because of unforeseeable circumstances..

His plans actually all would have suceeded..

EG- The moment he died, sasuke would have had no more revenge and thus returned to Konoha....

Ofc tobi stepped in.. But he planned for that... This time tobi had an unknown jutus that escaped amaterasu.. He planned for that..

His plan once again failed due to Kabuto ressurecting him via edo tensei..


Things that no matter who was planning , they could NOT have stopped or predicted .....


I can go on on how Minato's plans would have failed if it weren't for itachi also U_U


Fact is, Tobi didn't even belive how far itachi plans ahead... and tobi doesn't even know about the Back up backup KA plan..
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And people still think Shikamaru is better at planning U_U
 

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He only failed because of unforeseeable circumstances..

His plans actually all would have suceeded..

EG- The moment he died, sasuke would have had no more revenge and thus returned to Konoha....

Ofc tobi stepped in.. But he planned for that... This time tobi had an unknown jutus that escaped amaterasu.. He planned for that..

His plan once again failed due to Kabuto ressurecting him via edo tensei..


Things that no matter who was planning , they could NOT have stopped or predicted .....


I can go on on how Minato's plans would have failed if it weren't for itachi also U_U


Fact is, Tobi didn't even belive how far itachi plans ahead... and tobi doesn't even know about the Back up backup KA plan..
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while I agree this took some thought, someone with just above average intelligence who knows a lot about their bloodline could have done something similar. The thing is this was Itachi's only goal from the start, over time this could have easily better put into action, epsecially since Itachi are one of those ppl who always has a backup plan.

Sasuke's end of revenge wasnt anything special to plan, he influneced it.

Tobi stepping in was inevitable tbh, Tobi is a con artist and Itachi knew this never well. However, he didnt know the extent of Tobi's abilities as this failed as well. If anything I would give Tobi that credit for thinking ahead, as he may not have known that Itachi planned on dying, let alone setting a trap.

using KA was a very smart move, thus the only one I would really give him great credit for, tho it failed.
 

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while I agree this took some thought, someone with just above average intelligence who knows a lot about their bloodline could have done something similar. The thing is this was Itachi's only goal from the start, over time this could have easily better put into action, epsecially since Itachi are one of those ppl who always has a backup plan.

Sasuke's end of revenge wasnt anything special to plan, he influneced it.

Tobi stepping in was inevitable tbh, Tobi is a con artist and Itachi knew this never well. However, he didnt know the extent of Tobi's abilities as this failed as well. If anything I would give Tobi that credit for thinking ahead, as he may not have known that Itachi planned on dying, let alone setting a trap.

using KA was a very smart move, thus the only one I would really give him great credit for, tho it failed.

Having sharingan didn't enable him to do that...He planned it out and created his own fuinjutsu = transcription seal just for tobi, Ofc he knew a little about him and had to go with what he had

He planned out every detail of sasuke's fight, in a manner in which sasuke would run out of chakra, orochimaru will come out , get sealed, then he'd die...

As for sasuke's revenge he influenced it because it was part of his plan.. to die by his hands.. He wasn't aimlessly feeding sasuke revenge my friend... He was basically plotting out his entire life...

Tobi knew itachi planned on dying.. Well he guessed it... he knew about Itachi's feelings for his brother, and the lengths he went through to protect him... Thus he knew that the when the fight came he wouldn't kill him... Tobi is simply a secretive person who didn't tell itachi everything.. Because of that he was able to keep a secret that saved him from amaterasu
 

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Having sharingan didn't enable him to do that...He planned it out and created his own fuinjutsu = transcription seal just for tobi, Ofc he knew a little about him and had to go with what he had

He planned out every detail of sasuke's fight, in a manner in which sasuke would run out of chakra, orochimaru will come out , get sealed, then he'd die...

As for sasuke's revenge he influenced it because it was part of his plan.. to die by his hands.. He wasn't aimlessly feeding sasuke revenge my friend... He was basically plotting out his entire life...

Tobi knew itachi planned on dying.. Well he guessed it... he knew about Itachi's feelings for his brother, and the lengths he went through to protect him... Thus he knew that the when the fight came he wouldn't kill him... Tobi is simply a secretive person who didn't tell itachi everything.. Because of that he was able to keep a secret that saved him from amaterasu

im not correlating his intelligence with have the sharingan, what i ment was that under those situations and being very knowledgable with his clans history/ability (sharingan/uchiha) he was able to think of certain situations n demonstrate them successfully. Now, with this being said, I feel under different circumstance other smart shinobi could have been able to construct the same ideas as well. IMO those situations didnt take a genius to plan out. (get me maybe??)

I know feeding sasuke vengence wasnt meaningless, it was planned out. Show my lil bro that I killed our entire clan so he could want revenge. But to make sure everything goes smooth sailing Ima add alil push here n there.....so on...so on...I get that. Now, while it was all planned it wasnt such much of the plan itself that was impressive IMO, but him successfully implying them in every occasion.

btw already agreed that his is the most intelligent strategic shinobi in battle.

shouldnt tobi get credit for that???
 

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Having sharingan didn't enable him to do that...He planned it out and created his own fuinjutsu = transcription seal just for tobi, Ofc he knew a little about him and had to go with what he had

He planned out every detail of sasuke's fight, in a manner in which sasuke would run out of chakra, orochimaru will come out , get sealed, then he'd die...

As for sasuke's revenge he influenced it because it was part of his plan.. to die by his hands.. He wasn't aimlessly feeding sasuke revenge my friend... He was basically plotting out his entire life...

Tobi knew itachi planned on dying.. Well he guessed it... he knew about Itachi's feelings for his brother, and the lengths he went through to protect him... Thus he knew that the when the fight came he wouldn't kill him... Tobi is simply a secretive person who didn't tell itachi everything.. Because of that he was able to keep a secret that saved him from amaterasu

--- this my friend is the reason why u are amongst the 3 of my friends! u always make sense! i can always expect a logical unbiased opinion from u! :D
 

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--- this my friend is the reason why u are amongst the 3 of my friends! u always make sense! i can always expect a logical unbiased opinion from u! :D

Yeah, Owarij has always been one of my favourite debaters on NB. He's amazing ^_^
 

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I think that they are both incredibly intelligent, Itachi has just always had more at his disposal, and he has had an infinitely larger amount of drive than Shikamaru, who as we all know is lazy lazy lazy.

Now, a fact is that whenever Shikamaru makes a plan in battle, he always succeeds as far as the goal of the plan was. Tobi complemented Shikamaru on his intelligence, singling him out. And to the whole "Kakashi is as smart as Shikamaru" thing, I'll admit Kakashi is smart, but honestly, Naruto is the one that said that, and I wouldn't trust Naruto's judgements much at all, he's pretty biased in Kakashi's favor. For instance, I doubt anyone would say that Kakashi truly has a better sense of smell than Kiba, even though Naruto said so. So I will stick with my belief that Shikamaru is smarter than Kakashi.

Overall, it's really hard to tell, because of the difference in their power levels. Shikamaru has made a lot out of a little because he is so weak. For him, the only way to battle is with his intelligence, because as a ninja himself he is always the less powerful one. Itachi however has the massive power levels to go with his intelligence, so we haven't seen him fight purely with his intelligence as Shikamaru does. But he's a thinker.

In my opinion, Shikamaru has more tactical intelligence. In battle, he can make the best use of what he has at his disposal, better than Itachi, because that's all he does and the only way he can hope to win. He can create the best strategies overall. However, Itachi is more intelligent philosophically. He thinks about things like feelings and what makes people do things on a psychological level. He has a drive because he has thought these things through and seems to understand what is really important. Shikamaru hasn't thought those things, and hasn't come to those conclusions, which is why he is so lazy. That shows that Itachi is a better "thinker" than Shikamaru, but I believe that Shikamaru is a better "tactician". Thoughts?
 

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I think that they are both incredibly intelligent, Itachi has just always had more at his disposal, and he has had an infinitely larger amount of drive than Shikamaru, who as we all know is lazy lazy lazy.

Now, a fact is that whenever Shikamaru makes a plan in battle, he always succeeds as far as the goal of the plan was. Tobi complemented Shikamaru on his intelligence, singling him out. And to the whole "Kakashi is as smart as Shikamaru" thing, I'll admit Kakashi is smart, but honestly, Naruto is the one that said that, and I wouldn't trust Naruto's judgements much at all, he's pretty biased in Kakashi's favor. For instance, I doubt anyone would say that Kakashi truly has a better sense of smell than Kiba, even though Naruto said so. So I will stick with my belief that Shikamaru is smarter than Kakashi.

Overall, it's really hard to tell, because of the difference in their power levels. Shikamaru has made a lot out of a little because he is so weak. For him, the only way to battle is with his intelligence, because as a ninja himself he is always the less powerful one. Itachi however has the massive power levels to go with his intelligence, so we haven't seen him fight purely with his intelligence as Shikamaru does. But he's a thinker.

In my opinion, Shikamaru has more tactical intelligence. In battle, he can make the best use of what he has at his disposal, better than Itachi, because that's all he does and the only way he can hope to win. He can create the best strategies overall. However, Itachi is more intelligent philosophically. He thinks about things like feelings and what makes people do things on a psychological level. He has a drive because he has thought these things through and seems to understand what is really important. Shikamaru hasn't thought those things, and hasn't come to those conclusions, which is why he is so lazy. That shows that Itachi is a better "thinker" than Shikamaru, but I believe that Shikamaru is a better "tactician". Thoughts?

You've completely changed my views o.o What a ****ing awesome post! +Rep for that my sir! I'll agree 100% with what you have said.
 

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I remember someone saying that kakashi was more intelligent than shikamaru in the manga
 
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