Muu's underrated

[Draegod]

You're putting words in my posts I didn't say it takes 50% of his chakra to perform one jinton :/. I said splitting himself in half splits his chakra in half thus splitting his power in half making it impossible to perform jinton in his split state. It doesn't matter what he did prior to that because he still wouldn't be able to use it even if he hadn't done all that stuff.

You just said it again, just with different words. Read what you put please!!!

You are ignoring the facts i put, counter them please! Instead of being a stubborn person. And where does it say "it doesnt matter what you do prior to the split"??? Again what manga are you reading?

 

[Champ]

Mu has always been in my top 10

 

[Draegod]

This guy only sees what he wants to see. The guy with the bright font wasnt saying oonokis jinton was more powerful, but that he simply innovated the technique and produced different shapes. Which is true with everyone in the series. Sasuke innovated chidori, naruto innovated rasengan and so on.

He has a name and its Owarij, and i didnt say thats what he was saying. We (unlike you) are talking about much more.

And again you cant compare any of those jutsu's to a keke tota. The complications and power level are far different.

Thats like comparing NCAA to the NBA. To different leagues of success.

 

[YourMom]

Soo say muu has 100% chakra then splits so now its 50%-50%.
And he can't use jinton at half strength? So at full he should only be capable of 1 jinton with your logic?

I said his power is halved. If his power is halved what makes you think he can perform the same techniques that he can at full power? I'm going off a source that states he can't use jinton while split because his power is halved.

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[FizzyDrink]

Nope, nope, nope... and nope.

Hold on there bro... Bee > Muu???? Lol that is soooooooooo laughable :rofl:

Well, at least give me the chance to defend myself.

Minato in my opinion, with FTG would defeat Muu. Muu's sensor abilities are good, but Minato would still be too fast for him. Also, Minato would definitely be able to dodge Muu's Dust Release with speed, or even send it somewhere else like he did to Kurama's TBB. As far as we know, there is no real way Muu lands a hit on Minato. And if Muu takes to flight, sure, maybe Minato doesn't hit him, but Muu would certainly run out of chakra faster.

As Owarji explained earlier, Muu's dust release is a linear attack. Itachi's shield would be able to reflect it. Besides that, Itachi has the upper hand with Susano'o and Amaterasu, and if Muu gets caught in Tsukiyomi, it's over. Muu's invisibility would only go so far as to give him an opening for Dust Release, but here I believe Itachi's intelligence can play a role in suspecting where Muu would attack him. So in my opinion, Itachi overall has the upper hand.

In the case of Bee, I believe that he could dodge jinton as well with the help of the Hachibi. Those tentacles allow for quick manouverability. Also his wide range attacks I believe would be much more devastating to Muu, and far more likely to kill Muu than Muu's jinton would kill him. Also Bee has his raiton abilities as well. Muu's flight and invisibility would be hard to counter, but they only serve to provide more angles for Jinton, which in my opinion Bee dodges. Still, a surpise attack could hit Bee, and so there is definitely a chance of Bee being defeated. Of course, this is far closer, but I think that Bee has more ways to kill Muu than Muu has to kill Bee.

I was wondering about Kisame because since I believe Bee would have an upper hand against Muu, and Kisame defeated Bee, he may possibly defeat Muu. But honestly, I now think that Muu would have the upper hand here, just because of his different style of battle. It would still be close though.

 

[Draegod]

I said his power is halved. If his power is halved what makes you think he can perform the same techniques that he can at full power? I'm going off a source that states he can't use jinton while split because his power is halved.

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Like i said, your going off WIKI, it isnt reliable unless they have a pik or link.

I know Kabuto said HE couldnt use jinton after he made muu summon madara and everything else muu did.

Muu never stated he couldnt use jinton at 50%.

You do realize every time naruto uses shadow clone it splits his shakra in half right?
Same hit kakashi, he used a lightining clone+fought 2 pains tehn used 2 not 1 but 2 Kamuis before dying!!!!

So basically he was below 50% and still was able to use 2 kamuis.

The point im trying to make is what your saying doesnt make sense like at all! He used over 6 jinton atks before spliting correct? (answer is yes btw) then summoned madara and went back into battle afterwards. (fact)

That is the reason he couldnt use dust anymore.

Onoki couldnt use dust either after there fight, did he use a clone tech aswell??? No! It was because they used and fought aith too much chakra aswell.

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And keep in mind they were a tie when using jinton, so why wouldnt muu be close to having low chakra plus not being able to use jinton???

 

[Champ]

Actually Mu said when split he can't perform jinton

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[Draegod]

Well, at least give me the chance to defend myself.

Minato in my opinion, with FTG would defeat Muu. Muu's sensor abilities are good, but Minato would still be too fast for him. Also, Minato would definitely be able to dodge Muu's Dust Release with speed, or even send it somewhere else like he did to Kurama's TBB. As far as we know, there is no real way Muu lands a hit on Minato. And if Muu takes to flight, sure, maybe Minato doesn't hit him, but Muu would certainly run out of chakra faster.

As Owarji explained earlier, Muu's dust release is a linear attack. Itachi's shield would be able to reflect it. Besides that, Itachi has the upper hand with Susano'o and Amaterasu, and if Muu gets caught in Tsukiyomi, it's over. Muu's invisibility would only go so far as to give him an opening for Dust Release, but here I believe Itachi's intelligence can play a role in suspecting where Muu would attack him. So in my opinion, Itachi overall has the upper hand.

In the case of Bee, I believe that he could dodge jinton as well with the help of the Hachibi. Those tentacles allow for quick manouverability. Also his wide range attacks I believe would be much more devastating to Muu, and far more likely to kill Muu than Muu's jinton would kill him. Also Bee has his raiton abilities as well. Muu's flight and invisibility would be hard to counter, but they only serve to provide more angles for Jinton, which in my opinion Bee dodges. Still, a surpise attack could hit Bee, and so there is definitely a chance of Bee being defeated. Of course, this is far closer, but I think that Bee has more ways to kill Muu than Muu has to kill Bee.

I was wondering about Kisame because since I believe Bee would have an upper hand against Muu, and Kisame defeated Bee, he may possibly defeat Muu. But honestly, I now think that Muu would have the upper hand here, just because of his different style of battle. It would still be close though.

1. Muu defeats minato with stealth. He doesnt need to use dust because i agree it wouldn't be effective since he can leave.lol Cuts head off while invisible. Plus the fact he has fire, earth, and wind techs we dont know about. Split clone then both go invisible to kill while invisible. He has no conter to this besides tele home and stay there. There isnt nothing minato can do to surprise or kill muu.

2. Itachi is harder, but muu still owns. Where did it ever say jinton is linear???? Like no where in the manga it says that. And all it is is shape manipulation to make it big or smaller as they please. Itachi's shield only protects whats in front of it, Muu simply creates a cude big enuff to fit susanoo then its over, everything inside besides the shield turns to nothing. Then you bring up intellegence like evryone else in the manga but itachi is retarded and he kills anyone because he is smart like there is no other ninja in the manga that is smart. Any uchiha fan that brings "itellegnece in a vs firght unless the opponent has been shown to be stupid is a lame thing to do. Because if you want to do this then Sarutobi owns everyone for being the "professor".

3. And again, to make it bigger just add more chakra, simple as that. Bee has a better chance then itachi and minato. But still loses (not saing muu cant lose to either of them, just more often then not muu wins).

But its your opinion Fizzy, just throwing my 2 cents in. haha

 

[Draegod]

Actually Mu said when split he can't perform jinton

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That was kabuto not muu.

 

[MrLukyso]

Ofc, he's OP, he can beat Hashirama and Itachi no problem, he's in my 6th place.

 

[Champ]

That was kabuto not muu.

Haha what's the differences he can't use jinton when split

 

[YourMom]

He has a name and its Owarij, and i didnt say thats what he was saying. We (unlike you) are talking about much more.

And again you cant compare any of those jutsu's to a keke tota. The complications and power level are far different.

Thats like comparing NCAA to the NBA. To different leagues of success.

Jinton is jinton, There are only 2 to ever use it. How would he better it if he didnt have anyone to practice it on or enviorment? Keep in mind shikaku never knew.. Jinton isnt like fire or any other element, its dust realease that you can manipulate

You don't have to practice a technique on a person to innovate it I.e. Sasuke practicing his chidori on a rock. Owarij is saying the student always improves on the technique that was taught to them as onoki did with the dust release technique "The resulting damage that this technique can produce varies considerably, depending on the initial shape of the created structure. For example, when fabricated in the form of a cube, the structure possesses a relatively small blast radius, minimising the possibility for collateral damage. However, the conical version was inferred to be enough to potentially destroy an entire island."] "Additionally, it is possible to produce a much larger variant of the cube-shaped technique, which was large enough to destroy twenty-five wood clones using Susanoo at once. This cube can also be split into two after being activated, allowing for other techniques to be directed between the two halves.[4] When two similar techniques of approximately equal power collide, the pair merge into a single large spherical explosion; where everything caught within the substantial blast radius is completely pulverised.[5"

mū has only been shown using a cylinder shape if I recall while onoki has different shapes that is what he means by improved upon. Improved doesnt necessarily mean more powerful.

As you can see they matched each other the whole time. if he could of just over power him and instant kill why didnt he????? And according to your logic with no proof muu can only do small jinton. Solid logic that made you look even more foolish my friend. We only seen him say 2 jinton moves because he didnt get much screen time. Your logic is even worst, i atleast showed proof to mine.

Again he never stated oonokis tech was more powerful just improved. He was able to manipulate it into different shapes for different outcomes. Saying mū didn't get enough "screen time" in a manga none the less is simply stupid. It doesn't matter where he practiced it that's complete,y irrelevant.

Hashirama never taught yamoto how to use wood, why bring that up?
Kakashi and sasuke chidori is nothing spl. Its lightning, who says kakshi cant do what sasuke can do with chidori? 1000+ jutsu and not one of them could be one of sasukes chidori's?

Hashi never taught Yamato, but naturally to differentiate his techs from hashis he has to have made his own wood tech to keep from being predictable in battle. Kakashi and Sasuke. Kakashi taught Sasuke chidori, Sasuke improved on chidori after he left konoha and like owarij stated invented techs such as chidori nagasahi. For kakashi to have to learn this he would have to fight against Sasuke and Sasuke would have to use it against him for him to see it. Show me where Sasuke used this tech against kakashi.

 

[YourMom]

Haha what's the differences he can't use jinton when split

Thank you sir for proving me right .

 

[Draegod]

Haha what's the differences he can't use jinton when split

The difference is he used allot of chakra before hand (fact). Muu couldnt even use invisibility, fire, wind, earth, and other techs while split. Wht does that tell you?... Ill wait....

It tells you, he was super low on chakra to use anything. It was just in that particular panel he was trying to use jinton, thats why he said that.

 

[Champ]

The difference is he used allot of chakra before hand (fact). Muu couldnt even use invisibility, fire, wind, earth, and other techs while split. Wht does that tell you?... Ill wait....

It tells you, he was super low on chakra to use anything. It was just in that particular panel he was trying to use jinton, thats why he said that.

The Manga made it clear when he is split apart he can't use his jinton it didn't say anything about being low on chakra

 

[Draegod]

You don't have to practice a technique on a person to innovate it I.e. Sasuke practicing his chidori on a rock. Owarij is saying the student always improves on the technique that was taught to them as onoki did with the dust release technique "The resulting damage that this technique can produce varies considerably, depending on the initial shape of the created structure. For example, when fabricated in the form of a cube, the structure possesses a relatively small blast radius, minimising the possibility for collateral damage. However, the conical version was inferred to be enough to potentially destroy an entire island."] "Additionally, it is possible to produce a much larger variant of the cube-shaped technique, which was large enough to destroy twenty-five wood clones using Susanoo at once. This cube can also be split into two after being activated, allowing for other techniques to be directed between the two halves.[4] When two similar techniques of approximately equal power collide, the pair merge into a single large spherical explosion; where everything caught within the substantial blast radius is completely pulverised.[5"

mū has only been shown using a cylinder shape if I recall while onoki has different shapes that is what he means by improved upon. Improved doesnt necessarily mean more powerful.



Again he never stated oonokis tech was more powerful just improved. He was able to manipulate it into different shapes for different outcomes. Saying mū didn't get enough "screen time" in a manga none the less is simply stupid. It doesn't matter where he practiced it that's complete,y irrelevant.



Hashi never taught Yamato, but naturally to differentiate his techs from hashis he has to have made his own wood tech to keep from being predictable in battle. Kakashi and Sasuke. Kakashi taught Sasuke chidori, Sasuke improved on chidori after he left konoha and like owarij stated invented techs such as chidori nagasahi. For kakashi to have to learn this he would have to fight against Sasuke and Sasuke would have to use it against him for him to see it. Show me where Sasuke used this tech against kakashi.

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Clearly he has only shown using cylinder, even tho i see circles and other shapes.

So since nagato hasnt been shown to use fire, wind, water, earth and lightning he cannot preform it? Even tho it says he can??

Your logic is retarded.

Just because a ninja hasnt been shown to do something that has been said they can with no limits doesnt mean he cannot do it. Especially if they didnt get enuff screen time.

I didnt know kishi said he can only do small dust techs even tho it's a fact that dust techs start small then grow.

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Dust tech starts in the hand then grows to how you see fit, i.e. chakra you put into it.

Muu does the same thing fact! Starts small then grows! And its a fact that it can grow so why are you saying dumb stuff co-signing with no logic???

You are dumb if you think just because he has been shown 1 thing he cannot do others.

He hasnt been shown to use earth, fire, or wind. SO according to you he cannot use it, or uses it on a small scale, or hell uses it like a novice.

You have no points, and are TRYING to tip ride owarij hoping he will have your back thus hoping to feel look cool. LMAO

 

[Draegod]

The Manga made it clear when he is split apart he can't use his jinton it didn't say anything about being low on chakra

So according to you jinton doesnt use chakra, or chakra has nothing to do with ninjutsu what so ever?

Again, do any of you use logic???

Just because the manga says sarutobi was hailed as god of shinobi that makes him god of ninjas???

Or, Ameratsu burns hotter then the sun it does? Keep in mind how do they know how hot the sun gets?

Are there anyone with common sense on the base left??? It seems its only a few.

 

[Everlasting Peace]

His name is Mu, like 90 percent of people do not comprehend there is not two U's. Fairly simple to comprehend, thanks =P.

 

[Champ]

So according to you jinton doesnt use chakra, or chakra has nothing to do with ninjutsu what so ever?

Again, do any of you use logic???

Just because the manga says sarutobi was hailed as god of shinobi that makes him god of ninjas???

Or, Ameratsu burns hotter then the sun it does? Keep in mind how do they know how hot the sun gets?

Are there anyone with common sense on the base left??? It seems its only a few.

Don't really matter what you have to say the manga has already made it clear he can't use jinton when split

 

[YourMom]

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Clearly he has only shown using cylinder, even tho i see circles and other shapes.

So since nagato hasnt been shown to use fire, wind, water, earth and lightning he cannot preform it? Even tho it says he can??


Your logic is retarded.

Just because a ninja hasnt been shown to do something that has been said they can with no limits doesnt mean he cannot do it. Especially if they didnt get enuff screen time.

I didnt know kishi said he can only do small dust techs even tho it's a fact that dust techs start small then grow.

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Dust tech starts in the hand then grows to how you see fit, i.e. chakra you put into it.

Muu does the same thing fact! Starts small then grows! And its a fact that it can grow so why are you saying dumb stuff co-signing with no logic???

You are dumb if you think just because he has been shown 1 thing he cannot do others.

He hasnt been shown to use earth, fire, or wind. SO according to you he cannot use it, or uses it on a small scale, or hell uses it like a novice.

You have no points, and are TRYING to tip ride owarij hoping he will have your back thus hoping to feel look cool. LMAO

We haven't seem nagato use it, but it's been stated in the manga rinnengan users can use all 5 elements so it's your logic that's retarded, not mine.

Show where it says mū can use the different shapes that onoki can. Onoki even said th different shapes he used were because of a generational gap.

Never did I say he can only use small dust techs. Obviously they can make the shapes expand larger. I was simply giving definitions to the uses of the different shapes. It clearly states even though the cubical shape is used for a smaller radius it can be expanded.

Again I never said he can't use earth, wind or fire techs. It says he has those chakra natures so it's fair to assume he can use techs that involve them, but it was also stated by onoki that the shapes are a testament to the different generations. Can you Atleast comprehend that or are you that incompetent?

I'm not "tip" riding anyone. I don't even know the guy and I don't care to know the guy to be perfectly honest. Every point you've made has been stupid for lack of a better word and every point that I've made has been proven by me or someone else. You've yet to show me where it says he can use jinton while split in half. You're hyping up mū to make your thread justified and making yourself look like a fool in the process. Even the scans that you claimed were proof were pics of onoki using jinton not mū which was a complete fail.