Muu's underrated

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He's top ten all time for sure. But if he and 2nd Mizukage killed each other wouldn't they technically be on the same exact level?

Naa. One of them could have got lucky and killed the other at the last second. Maybe mizu got lucky, he wasn't 100% sure he killed muu. But then again Mizukage plain out says if he wasn't controlled he'd kill muu again and muu had nothing to say. :shrug:
 

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Yeah, but Mu and Clam guy are equals.
 

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+rep and he can fly. He is definately top 10 on my list. He won't be detected by anyone and can pull jinton attacks when you don't kno, could beat ninjas as strong as raikage bcos he won't be able to see him at all.
 

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He's top ten all time for sure. But if he and 2nd Mizukage killed each other wouldn't they technically be on the same exact level?

Hmm I always wonder why that was. Perhaps Muu couldn't jinton jokey boy in time? Still, I'd put the Mizukage three or four rungs beneath Muu, but imo he's the much more underrated of the two.
 

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About he susanno, it can change forms according to the databook since it holds no true physical form..

... Jinton is an attack that's avoidable since it operates in a linear range...
Don't compare what onoki did to what mu can do.. we have never seen him do something like that , and lets not forget Tsunade was giving him chakra to make something that big...

Mu also hasn't shown the ability to use jinton while Invisible... He seems to have to come out of invisibility to attack... Not only that but even when invis, most anbu ninja, or hunter nin, or any ninja trained in using their senses such as Kakashi , hiruzen etc, can all smell or listen for Mu..Kakashi has a smell akin to nin dogs.. who were able to track ninjas miles and miles away... Itachi on multiple occasions was able to spot ninjas and people who he didn't have his eye on...etc..

Mu is strong but as I said, his attacks aren't big enough or wide enough to get anyone easily.. it's avoidable by any ninja with decent enough speed...
2nd mizukage obviously had no problem with it and he doesn't seem like a speed demon


Susanoo doesnt but itachis shield does, correct? I dont use the out dated data book, so i wouldnt know.

Worng about linear and avoidable. he can change the shape of the jinton he is trying to use, sphere, cube, cylinder, cone etc etc. nad also the size of the jutsu. Perfect example of him making a cylinder long and spinning it around to destroy everything
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Another ex of him using in size this time.

Fast ninjas like minato, A, and his father (tobi aswell) could get away from the tech the easist ofc, others will have a harder time. Considering th efact they can destroy an entire island if they increase the size.

And they have the excact same jinton techs that MUU taught him. Jinton is jinton, the shape forms are what they are capable of doing. Then you say "plus tsunade was giving him chakra", you do realise he has been fighting kages all day right? And waisted alot of chakra vs muu right? Ofc he needed tsunade help because he is low on chakra. You seem to downplay alot of characters you dont care for.

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Muu can sense how many shinobi are there, and still says numbers does not matter because of jinton. Why? Because they can increase its size or what ever suites the situation.

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And as for muu not using jinton while invisible, that doesnt mean he cannot. The only reason he missed his chance was because of gaaras constant sensor sand.
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Its a fact it was because of the sensor sand, because gaara was the only one who sensed him and him not being there yet. Ofc he can atk while invisible.

But whether he can or cannot doesnt matter because he can simply be air born and nuke the field your on.


The itachi, kakashi, and saru arguement isnt good at all. Kakashi is the only one that is good, dont know where you got that saru info from.lol

Itachi has never fought a ninja like muu and his abilitys blus the fact he will be airborn and can dodge more esier in the air makes it much more harder. Itachi doesn't have a way to spot muu while in the air.

And again you use the A>b>c logic. Just because 2nd mizu forund away doent mean others will. 2nd mizu is better then itachi, saru and kakashi so that doesnt even matter. Plus the fact that none of them can do what he can do.

And why do you think speed is the key to everything? Onoki hit Madara at 70+ age, does that make him faster since he hit madara? In your logic since madara didnt dodge that makes him slow correct?
 

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I agree with his being strong, but I believe he is currently placed in the right spots. He's strong, but I believe the likes of Minato, Itachi, and Bee could take him. I'm on the fence about Kisame, what do you think about that one?

As has been mentioned, he and the Mizukage both fell during their battle (which was probably EPIC) and so you can't take about one without mentioning the other.
 

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I agree with his being strong, but I believe he is currently placed in the right spots. He's strong, but I believe the likes of Minato, Itachi, and Bee could take him. I'm on the fence about Kisame, what do you think about that one?

As has been mentioned, he and the Mizukage both fell during their battle (which was probably EPIC) and so you can't take about one without mentioning the other.

Nope, nope, nope... and nope.
 

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The anime hasn't gotten that far for one :B and yes I used narutopedia to prove my point and it's a lot more accurate than you are. Every excuse you made why he couldn't use jinton proved me to be right. You haven't yet given me a sure fire reason to how he'd use it while he's split in half. Even if his chakra "grows" back as you've stated, it'd still be half of what it was when he was whole. His power is halved when he's split so he can't use jinton in his split state and that's the bottom line.

LMAO HAHAHAHAH So your saying it takes exactly 50% of his chakra to preform one jinton atk????????

So according to you if he is at 100% chakra level he should only be able to use 2 jinton atks and be done for the day. -____-

Take a sec and think about what you just said..... Ill wait....

Him using jinton all day vs onoki (fact), him spliting himself after the constant jinton use (fact), him waiting to get more chakra to summ madara (fact), tehn him waisting chakra to summon madara (fact) then going o fight asap afterwards. If you dont think what i said isnt true then what manga are you reading???
 

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I agree with his being strong, but I believe he is currently placed in the right spots. He's strong, but I believe the likes of Minato, Itachi, and Bee could take him. I'm on the fence about Kisame, what do you think about that one?

As has been mentioned, he and the Mizukage both fell during their battle (which was probably EPIC) and so you can't take about one without mentioning the other.

Hold on there bro... Bee > Muu???? Lol that is soooooooooo laughable :rofl:
 

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+rep and he can fly. He is definately top 10 on my list. He won't be detected by anyone and can pull jinton attacks when you don't kno, could beat ninjas as strong as raikage bcos he won't be able to see him at all.
 

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Yea and by logic, just because someone taught you something, you don't improve on it.. solid logic my friend...

Muu thought him , but ofc onoki would have developed new jutsu and improved on it..
I do hope you don't foolishly believe that once muu taught him it he was done with dust release forever .. that's ridiculous..

Kakashi thought sasuke chidori and he improved on that to make chidori nagashi etc...

You can't look at Yamato's abilities, and automatically say Hashirama knew how to use it..

The ones yamato based off of hashirama sure, But he is his own man and thus created his own jutsu with the kekkegenkai..

You're giving Muu jutsu he has not shown....You're giving muu oonoki's jutsu because they have the same kkg... Noone is downplaying anyone, you're arguing something that has no support what so ever in the manga..

As far as I call, this was what Onoki said to be
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All you've linked is a bunch of pages with OONOKI, and you're claiming that muu can produce these things.. with bad logic to support it... Oonoki did say that the the different shapes of dust release is reflective on the different generation gaps..
 
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@ owarij-- Just because onoki made new dust techniques doesn't mean there more powerful. When they collided with Muu's jutsu it stalemated. You can't use sasuke upgrading chidori in this arguement. Chidori current isnt stronger then regular chidori. And sasuke made current while kakashi made the original. Jst because onoki has different dust shaped don't mean Muu's don't have the same strength.
 
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@ owarij-- Just because onoki made new dust techniques doesn't mean there more powerful. When they collided with Muu's jutsu it stalemated. You can't use sasuke upgrading chidori in this arguement. Chidori current is stronger then regular chidori. And sasuke made current while kakashi made the original. Just because onoki has different dust shaped don't mean Muu's don't have the same strength.

Woah, i never said they were more powerful.. In terms of power they are both the same..

But oonoki obviously has a larger variety of shapes and techniques with jinton, that muu never showed


Sasuke changed chidori into a variety of other techniques such as chidori nagasi..

It's exactly what oonoki did... Onoki has much more things with dust release than mu has.... When you teach someone, it's obvious that they ENHANCE it in some way or some how.. People create their own jutsu etc... not just stop,,
 
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Yea and by logic, just because someone taught you something, you don't improve on it.. solid logic my friend...

Muu thought him , but ofc onoki would have developed new jutsu and improved on it..
I do hope you don't foolishly believe that once muu taught him it he was done with dust release forever .. that's ridiculous..

Kakashi thought sasuke chidori and he improved on that to make chidori nagashi etc...

You can't look at Yamato's abilities, and automatically say Hashirama knew how to use it..

The ones yamato based off of hashirama sure, But he is his own man and thus created his own jutsu with the kekkegenkai..

You're giving Muu jutsu he has not shown....You're giving muu oonoki's jutsu because they have the same kkg... Noone is downplaying anyone, you're arguing something that has no support what so ever in the manga..

As far as I call, this was what Onoki said to be
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Jinton is jinton, There are only 2 to ever use it. How would he better it if he didnt have anyone to practice it on or enviorment? Keep in mind shikaku never knew.. Jinton isnt like fire or any other element, its dust realease that you can manipulate

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As you can see they matched each other the whole time. if he could of just over power him and instant kill why didnt he????? And according to your logic with no proof muu can only do small jinton. Solid logic that made you look even more foolish my friend. We only seen him say 2 jinton moves because he didnt get much screen time. Your logic is even worst, i atleast showed proof to mine.

And the "exact same as teh past" proved me even more! If onoki has better techs then why not use it for the win?! You lack the fact that they were even with the dust techs the whole time they were fighting! Like the whole time, then thats when he changed it up and went invisible.

And where does it say onoki im[roved his jinton and on who and where did he practice this?

Dust is nothing like anything you mentioned, its sad.

Hashirama never taught yamoto how to use wood, why bring that up?
Kakashi and sasuke chidori is nothing spl. Its lightning, who says kakshi cant do what sasuke can do with chidori? 1000+ jutsu and not one of them could be one of sasukes chidori's?

You need to uderstand just because a side character hasnt showed something he might have doent mean he doesnt have it unless said in the manga.

In the manga it says

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This is fact, "SECRET(S)"


And can you respond to the other stuff i countered to in your post, I feel like having a skirmish on my day off and little time i have.
 

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@owarij--- ahhh I see. So your saying that onoki just has a vast amount of shapes with dust unlike Muu who still has the shapes from another generation. ?
 

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LMAO HAHAHAHAH So your saying it takes exactly 50% of his chakra to preform one jinton atk????????

So according to you if he is at 100% chakra level he should only be able to use 2 jinton atks and be done for the day. -____-

Take a sec and think about what you just said..... Ill wait....

Him using jinton all day vs onoki (fact), him spliting himself after the constant jinton use (fact), him waiting to get more chakra to summ madara (fact), tehn him waisting chakra to summon madara (fact) then going o fight asap afterwards. If you dont think what i said isnt true then what manga are you reading???

You're putting words in my posts I didn't say it takes 50% of his chakra to perform one jinton :/. I said splitting himself in half splits his chakra in half thus splitting his power in half making it impossible to perform jinton in his split state. It doesn't matter what he did prior to that because he still wouldn't be able to use it even if he hadn't done all that stuff.
 

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Woah, i never said they were more powerful.. In terms of power they are both the same..

But oonoki obviously has a larger variety of shapes and techniques with jinton, that muu never showed


Sasuke changed chidori into a variety of other techniques such as chidori nagasi..

It's exactly what oonoki did... Onoki has much more things with dust release than mu has.... When you teach someone, it's obvious that they ENHANCE it in some way or some how.. People create their own jutsu etc... not just stop,,

Again where are you getting your logic from???

Just because muu in the little screen tim ehe got didnt show what onki has shown means he doesnt have it???

Keep in mind onki didnt use the techs he used on madara on muu. Why you ask? Because maybe he knew muu can do the exact same thing.

Where did it say onoki improved on it???

Where did it say his is better. They were tie the whole time when just using dust. And all dust are the same in power, the shape manipulation isnt a hard thing to do considering Muu did a sphere and cube in the little time he had of differ sizes.

The last tech onoki did was just a cube with more chakra put into it to make it bigger (tsunade was only needed because he was low on chakra, fact), why can't muu put more chakra to make it bigger?????

Muu has shown to make a cube (fact), why cant he make a bigger cube???

Are you really reading the same manga to think muu cant put more chakra to make what onoki made? Where are you getting your info to support what you say?

Then you bring up the lame kakashi and sasuke argument when it isnt even close to being the same in power level and complication.
 

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This guy only sees what he wants to see. The guy with the bright font wasnt saying oonokis jinton was more powerful, but that he simply innovated the technique and produced different shapes. Which is true with everyone in the series. Sasuke innovated chidori, naruto innovated rasengan and so on.
 

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You're putting words in my posts I didn't say it takes 50% of his chakra to perform one jinton :/. I said splitting himself in half splits his chakra in half thus splitting his power in half making it impossible to perform jinton in his split state. It doesn't matter what he did prior to that because he still wouldn't be able to use it even if he hadn't done all that stuff.

Soo say muu has 100% chakra then splits so now its 50%-50%.
And he can't use jinton at half strength? So at full he should only be capable of 1 jinton with your logic?
 
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