[Discussion] 4 things that are labeled as wrong, but arent.

[Darthlawsuit]

Well, if you disagree then feel free to express yourself. The thing is, is that NO ONE who disagreed gave their PERSONAL opinion on why THEY think its wrong, instead of why society as a whole thinks these things are wrong. They only referenced culture,,science,etc. Some people dont have their own answers, so they rely on the opinions of others (the majority) and uses them as a crutch

Ah well I didn't read what you posted. I just wanted to correct your title as it is highly bias'ed. Like watching fox news and expecting to get facts.

 

[MidKnight]

Ah well I didn't read what you posted. I just wanted to correct your title as it is highly bias'ed. Like watching fox news and expecting to get facts.

"Some people dont have their own answers, so they rely on the opinions of others (the majority) and uses them as a crutch"

I dont believe you. I just dont think you have a reason to be against these things, besides the reasons of others. You can avoid what Im saying all you want. If you didnt give a **** you would'nt be In this thread in the first place. And this isnt exactly your first time In here either.

 

[Darthlawsuit]

"Some people dont have their own answers, so they rely on the opinions of others (the majority) and uses them as a crutch"

I dont believe you. I just dont think you have a reason to be against these things, besides the reasons of others. You can avoid what Im saying all you want. If you didnt give a **** you would'nt be In this thread in the first place. And this isnt exactly your first time In here either.

I've been in here before? ....... Nope.... Don't remember xd

Well I G2G have to buy some half-half and make fettuccine Alfredo :noc: going to be a tasty evening

 

[MidKnight]

I've been in here before? ....... Nope.... Don't remember xd

Well I G2G have to buy some half-half and make fettuccine Alfredo :noc: going to be a tasty evening

Hmmm....U_U

 

[Darthlawsuit]

Hmmm....U_U

YAY!!!! water is boiling time for simcity 4

 

[Finn]

Well, if you disagree then feel free to express yourself. The thing is, is that NO ONE who disagreed gave their PERSONAL opinion on why THEY think its wrong, instead of why society as a whole thinks these things are wrong. They only referenced culture,,science,etc. Some people dont have their own answers, so they rely on the opinions of others (the majority) and uses them as a crutch

Read theArtisticraptures posts and those are my opinions. Not influenced by society at all <3

 

[Don Drama]

We live In a world of labels. Everything has a lable and everthing falls into a category. But who are we to contradict another human being, when we are all In the same "boat" living In this harsh reality?

1. Selfishness: This is a natural instinct. The opposite of selfishness, which is selflessness, is something that we must become aware of through instinct & knowledge & continiue to develope as an act or moral value. Therefore it is not instinct (natural). For example, When you are hungry. The first thought that appears In your head isnt "Is someone hungry?" or "I wonder how many people are hungry?" No. The first thought that appears In your head is "I am hungry" or "Man, I'm starving" Your concern for someone elses hunger such as "Are you hungry?" or "I'm starving, what about you?" comes secondary to your own desire, therfore it is not instinct. This is selfishness, on a small scale, but it is still selfishness. Being selfish is inevitable, because human beings are natrually selfish. How can instinct be labeled as wrong? It cant. I dont think it is selfishness itself that we are aware of, but rather the guilt of being selfish that bothers us.

The problem here is the way you give emphasis to the word. Selfishness is labeled wrong by most societies because it is synonymous to Greed. With your example “Hunger” brings more chaos than better understanding of the word. Self preservation isn’t selfishness; a person who is in his right mind will feed himself if he’s hungry because he knows the consequences if he intentionally denies the need. Eating will only become a selfish act when you don’t share. Even simple minded animals know how to share, but as always there’s a rule of everything, for the instance the dominant Male has to eat first.
Consider this example instead, you are in the sinking ship and you have a life boat the carries only 2 passengers. Sharing your life boat to another person is the right thing to do and that’s selflessness.

2.A strong desire for lust (being a "pervert"):An extreamly strong *** drive, or strong desire for lust, is something that has been labeled by all areas of society. Religion,culture,gender, etc. It has been labeled from being called a sin, being "perverted" or "a pervert" etc,etc. Humans are natrually sexually oriented creatures. EVERY human being (Excluding children) has experieced a desire for lust in some kind of way. Weither it was a thought, a reaction, or an actual act of sexuality. However, there are some of us who have a stonger desire for this than other human beings. Those of us who have more than just "a stong *** drive" have been labeled for something that we natrually feel. We are either called a pervert, a wh***, etc. How is this wrong? Is there a limit on the amount of sexual desire that a human being can have before he or she falls into a category? You can measure,pounds & inches,etc. But you cannot measure the emotion or desire of another human being. Once again, I feel that guilt plays a huge role In people who are like this an feel ashamed. Why should you feel guilt from something that is human nature? Your human nature.

The desire itself isn’t wrong, but you should put a limit of everything. Look for someone who can fulfill your desire, just don’t rape anyone to fulfill your lust. As long as you haven’t harm anyone nor disturb someone’s peace, then go ahead you can have all the rounds, lapses and time in your *** DRIVE! Also you should put your lust in the right place and time. You should know what is Taboo, Incest, and most especially what’s forbidden by law.

 

[ZK]

You can't force yourself to be sexually attracted to something you're not. It's just not possible. So why do people hate on homosexuals when they can't help but be sexually attracted to another man? It's not something that's controllable. People try to "get the gay" out of them per say, does it ever work? No. If they think it did work, they're lying to you and themselves. Sexual desire is human nature, what you're sexually attracted to isn't up to you.

Weeeeeeeeell.
I do agree to the extend that sexual attraction in the sense of 'love' and really being lustfully attracted to another individual cannot be forced. Not as far as I know, anyway. But I think you're fooling yourself here, because, and this has been done before and is still done in some cultures, it is not impossible to make homosexuals feel very disgusted about themselves, not at all.
Repetition can really work wonders. If I and everyone around you, from the moment you are born, continuously insists that homosexuality is a disease, that to be attracted to another of the same *** is to be an abomination, that ****-*** is terrible and that you'll be punished by a diety and your peers if you submit to this evil incarnate, then you sure as hell won't willingly 'become' a homosexual. I put Apostrophes around become, because, like you said, one cannot decide his/her own sexuality, but it can be affected by ones surroundings and oneself.
If I make you have intercourse with women, in this scnario you're a homosexual, and tell you that what you feel when you have intercourse with them is the epitome of pleasure and that the feeling is correct and good, then you, over time, will develop an acceptance when it comes to women.
You'll notice that while many homosexuals prefer intercourse with one of their ***, it is not impossible or disgusting in their eyes to have intercourse with one of the other ***. What you call 'homosexuality' is really just bisexuality on a larger scale. There are very few people, heterosexuals as homosexuals, that wouldn't be able to aim a tadbi of sexual attraction towards one of the same *** or opposite ***, but you'll notice how the society you live in has a huge effect on how you embrace your sexuality.
I hope this cleared some shizzle.
-Zero

EDIT: the 'stfu' thingy is supposed to be - l u s t f u l l y

 

[Aze]

All of this is completely true.

Most of these examples can be compared to even animals.

But humans are a more evolved species , that's why our feelings and emotions are on a whole higher level aswell.

But as with all things : there is = Postive and Negatives , Also Cause and Effect applies.


^^

:scorps:

 

[MidKnight]

Read theArtisticraptures posts and those are my opinions. Not influenced by society at all <3

Correct that they aren't influenced by society, but they are not YOUR answers (they are the opinions of someone else). You have yet to give YOUR opinion. *Sigh, this is sad that individuals in our
generation are either unable, or unwillling to give their own opinions. U_U

The problem here is the way you give emphasis to the word. Selfishness is labeled wrong by most societies because it is synonymous to Greed. With your example “Hunger” brings more chaos than better understanding of the word. Self preservation isn’t selfishness; a person who is in his right mind will feed himself if he’s hungry because he knows the consequences if he intentionally denies the need. Eating will only become a selfish act when you don’t share. Even simple minded animals know how to share, but as always there’s a rule of everything, for the instance the dominant Male has to eat first.
Consider this example instead, you are in the sinking ship and you have a life boat the carries only 2 passengers. Sharing your life boat to another person is the right thing to do and that’s selflessness.

Seperating self preservation & selfishness is inevitable, they are one in the same. We are not obligated NOT to be selfish. Here is an example, If your mother & a baby that you are not related to (a strangers baby) were about to be killed but you can save only one from dying, which would you choose? If you saved your mother instead that would be considered selfish. If you saved the baby instead, it would still be considered selfish because you let her die going by your own code of ethnics and what you think is right (meaning that you would think saving the baby would be the right thing to do.) Selfishness is inevitable. I hate to repeat myself, just go back and read #1 for yourself.

The desire itself isn’t wrong, but you should put a limit of everything. Look for someone who can fulfill your desire, just don’t rape anyone to fulfill your lust. As long as you haven’t harm anyone nor disturb someone’s peace, then go ahead you can have all the rounds, lapses and time in your *** DRIVE! Also you should put your lust in the right place and time. You should know what is Taboo, Incest, and most especially what’s forbidden by law.

Whoa whoa whoa, where the In my thread did I condone rape? So now people are just twisting my words around eh? In my post I never told anyone it was ok to go rape someone and I dont appreciate you implying that I said that. And you speak of these taboo being forbidden by law, what laws? Laws of culture,religion,ethinics,etc? What about your law? Its not illegal to do these things, so what exactly is forbidden? If someone feels the need to sleep with their cousin, then thats their decision. We are not obligated to decide what is discuting because we are human beings ourselves. What about people being hypocritical? In my eyes being hypocrital is worst than incest. One thing I have learned from this post it that there is a gray area between belief, & reason of belief. People have SO many answers, execpt for their own.

 

[Finn]

Correct that they aren't influenced by society, but they are not YOUR answers (they are the opinions of someone else). You have yet to give YOUR opinion. *Sigh, this is sad that individuals in our
generation are either unable, or unwillling to give their own opinions.U_U

Um that was my opinion? :flaw:

 

[MidKnight]

Um that was my opinion? :flaw:

Wrong U_U they were "TheArtisticRaptures" opinions. You specifically said that "Read theArtisticraptures posts and those are my opinions. Not influenced by society at all" they are NOT YOUR opinions. They are someone elses. Im taking that your a young teenager, as you seem not to be able to comprehend something so simple. You either have YOUR own opinion, or you dont.

 

[Finn]

Wrong U_U they were "TheArtisticRaptures" opinions. You specifically said that "Read theArtisticraptures posts and those are my opinions. Not influenced by society at all" they are NOT YOUR opinions. They are someone elses. Im taking that your a young teenager, as you seem not to be able to comprehend something so simple. You either have YOUR own opinion, or you dont.

Looooool. That was me on my neighbors account, so yeah, I am pretty sure they are my opinions drip.

 

[Uchihahahaha]

Ok, well I guess I will try to explain more. Actually, I did not fully explain my opinion because I do not want to get into a religious debate (I'm Catholic). But I will try to explain it a different way. There are good and bad consequences for different things. I think that homosexuality is immoral. It has been shown throughout history that the immoral countries have fallen. Rome fell. Sodom and Gommorah fell. Why did they fall? Well, the places became very immoral. If America keeps supporting things like homosexuality and making abortion legal, then it is at risk of falling. It is not only America, but I am giving the U.S. as an example. In America, homosexuals aren't homosexuals trying to gain more right? If that happens, it will cause corruption. If homosexuals want to be homosexual, then that is their choice, but it should not be put into the laws of the country. Homosexuals cannot give birth, which shows it obviously was not meant to be. They could get AIDS and other diseases or viruses. Also, I think that lust is not good. Love is good, like if you actually love someone or something.

 

[ZK]

Ok, well I guess I will try to explain more. Actually, I did not fully explain my opinion because I do not want to get into a religious debate (I'm Catholic). But I will try to explain it a different way. There are good and bad consequences for different things. I think that homosexuality is immoral. It has been shown throughout history that the immoral countries have fallen. Rome fell. Sodom and Gommorah fell. Why did they fall? Well, the places became very immoral. If America keeps supporting things like homosexuality and making abortion legal, then it is at risk of falling. It is not only America, but I am giving the U.S. as an example. In America, homosexuals aren't homosexuals trying to gain more right? If that happens, it will cause corruption. If homosexuals want to be homosexual, then that is their choice, but it should not be put into the laws of the country. Homosexuals cannot give birth, which shows it obviously was not meant to be. They could get AIDS and other diseases or viruses. Also, I think that lust is not good. Love is good, like if you actually love someone or something.

You should get checked immediately if you think that AIDS cannot be transferred from boy to girl and vice versa.
You do know that every great nation/empire/country has fallen, right? Or at least been reduced to a mere shadow of its former self.
I'm at a loss as to how I can slap you virtually, without actually writing something akin to; 'dude, you're mentally underdeveloped'.

You know what? Whatever, I can be the cause of a closed thread once in a while.

You are blind, you are so terribly blind that it pains me to look at your religious avatar. You dare judge those whom throw the rules of old away? You actually dare doing something as preposterous as pointing an accusing finger at those whom discard rules that are two thousand years old? You would allow homosexuality, you say? But they are not to have the same rights? The same opportunities? What kind of abomination are you? What kind of terrible, indoctrinated slave are you to be the bringer of doom? How dare you even imply that 'immoral' countries will fall by something as ghostly and delirious as the 'hand of God', or whatever fate you think will make the country fall.
I laugh at your foolishness, I really do. I laugh even as salty tears blurs my vision, and I thank no diety that my own sorrow can temporarily hide the wickedness of mankind from my sight.
You say that lust is not good, you promote the 'power of love', but you will only apply it to some cases? Are you so narrow-minded that you think yourself or your ancient litterature to be the ones to decide what love is? Or what is immoral?
I hate people like you with eveyr inch of my being, you are the bringers of evil. You are the ones whom sing songs of God to those whom have lost their innocence to his servants. You are the ones whom cry justice, even as you pillage, steal and kill. You are a terrible person, and don't you ever hide behind your religion, because religion, as everything else, is not without its flaws, but it has its bright spots. It is people like you that corrupt those good ideals, you bastardize something that was created with good intentions. You pour your foul faeces onto the lollipop of a child, and you're not even ashamed of the act.
You're worse than the religious people who love their God more than they do their children.

I hope I caused no offense, of course. I just very much disagree with everything you stand for.

 

[MidKnight]

Ok, well I guess I will try to explain more. Actually, I did not fully explain my opinion because I do not want to get into a religious debate (I'm Catholic). But I will try to explain it a different way. There are good and bad consequences for different things. I think that homosexuality is immoral. It has been shown throughout history that the immoral countries have fallen. Rome fell. Sodom and Gommorah fell. Why did they fall? Well, the places became very immoral. If America keeps supporting things like homosexuality and making abortion legal, then it is at risk of falling. It is not only America, but I am giving the U.S. as an example. In America, homosexuals aren't homosexuals trying to gain more right? If that happens, it will cause corruption. If homosexuals want to be homosexual, then that is their choice, but it should not be put into the laws of the country. Homosexuals cannot give birth, which shows it obviously was not meant to be. They could get AIDS and other diseases or viruses. Also, I think that lust is not good. Love is good, like if you actually love someone or something.

This is a good reply actually. The reference to rome & sodom,etc, really got me thinking. But I dont think you could just say a country would fall just because of norms,values,beliefs,&customs that would be considered "immoral". Rome & other countries that fell, didnt fall due to homosexuality or selfishness,etc., it was a way more complex reason. And just because a country is "moral" doesnt mean it is immune to falling. The falling of nations is inevitable everything has a beggining & end. America is torn apart right now (the economy,unemployment rate is going up,debt (the country itself is in debt),etc,etc. Even some European countries are falling apart Portugal,Greece,Ireland,Iceland,etc. And they were founded on morals. But I do have one question, do you not think that homosexuals can fall In love? Do you think that the only connection between the two would be lust?

 

[Uchihahahaha]

This is one the best replies In the thread actually. The reference to rome & sodom,etc, really got me thinking. But I dont think you could just say a country would fall just because of norms,values,beliefs,&customs that would be considered "immoral". Rome & other countries that fell, didnt fall due to homosexuality or selfishness,etc., it was a way more complex reason. And just because a country is "moral" doesnt mean it is immune to falling. The falling of nations is inevitable everything has a beggining & end. America is torn apart right now (the economy,unemployment rate is going up,debt (the country itself is in debt),etc,etc. Even some European countries are falling apart Portugal,Greece,Ireland,Iceland,etc. And they were founded on morals. But I do have one question, do you not think that homosexuals can fall In love? Do you think that the only connection between the two would be lust?

Thank you for your response after the other previous one that I got. I do not know everything, but I just wanted to give information that I know of. And no I am not perfect. I never implied that. Do not take my posts as I am some guy who knows everything. You are right, there are other reasons. But they might not have been the root. I was saying the root cause of a fall being immorality. But you are right that just because a country is "moral" does not mean is immune to falling. But if you look at Rome, can you see it's lack of morals gave it a lot of internal strife leading to its demise? It is still might be complex, but I do not know all the complexities so I gave a general point.

To answer your question, of course two boys can love each other. But that does not mean that they have to perform homosexual acts. I never said that two people of the same gender cannot love each other.

 

[Jack Spicer]

Ok, well I guess I will try to explain more. Actually, I did not fully explain my opinion because I do not want to get into a religious debate (I'm Catholic). But I will try to explain it a different way. There are good and bad consequences for different things. I think that homosexuality is immoral. It has been shown throughout history that the immoral countries have fallen. Rome fell. Sodom and Gommorah fell. Why did they fall? Well, the places became very immoral. If America keeps supporting things like homosexuality and making abortion legal, then it is at risk of falling. It is not only America, but I am giving the U.S. as an example. In America, homosexuals aren't homosexuals trying to gain more right? If that happens, it will cause corruption. If homosexuals want to be homosexual, then that is their choice, but it should not be put into the laws of the country. Homosexuals cannot give birth, which shows it obviously was not meant to be. They could get AIDS and other diseases or viruses. Also, I think that lust is not good. Love is good, like if you actually love someone or something.

If America falls, I'm blaming it on hard-headed people like you.

 

[Uchihahahaha]

You should get checked immediately if you think that AIDS cannot be transferred from boy to girl and vice versa.
You do know that every great nation/empire/country has fallen, right? Or at least been reduced to a mere shadow of its former self.
I'm at a loss as to how I can slap you virtually, without actually writing something akin to; 'dude, you're mentally underdeveloped'.

You know what? Whatever, I can be the cause of a closed thread once in a while.

You are blind, you are so terribly blind that it pains me to look at your religious avatar. You dare judge those whom throw the rules of old away? You actually dare doing something as preposterous as pointing an accusing finger at those whom discard rules that are two thousand years old? You would allow homosexuality, you say? But they are not to have the same rights? The same opportunities? What kind of abomination are you? What kind of terrible, indoctrinated slave are you to be the bringer of doom? How dare you even imply that 'immoral' countries will fall by something as ghostly and delirious as the 'hand of God', or whatever fate you think will make the country fall.
I laugh at your foolishness, I really do. I laugh even as salty tears blurs my vision, and I thank no diety that my own sorrow can temporarily hide the wickedness of mankind from my sight.
You say that lust is not good, you promote the 'power of love', but you will only apply it to some cases? Are you so narrow-minded that you think yourself or your ancient litterature to be the ones to decide what love is? Or what is immoral?
I hate people like you with eveyr inch of my being, you are the bringers of evil. You are the ones whom sing songs of God to those whom have lost their innocence to his servants. You are the ones whom cry justice, even as you pillage, steal and kill. You are a terrible person, and don't you ever hide behind your religion, because religion, as everything else, is not without its flaws, but it has its bright spots. It is people like you that corrupt those good ideals, you bastardize something that was created with good intentions. You pour your foul faeces onto the lollipop of a child, and you're not even ashamed of the act.
You're worse than the religious people who love their God more than they do their children.

I hope I caused no offense, of course. I just very much disagree with everything you stand for.

I am sorry if you cried. Why did you call me a terrible person? What did I say that was so terrible to you? You said "You are the ones whom cry justice, even as you pillage, steal and kill." I do not pillage, steal or kill. Actually members of my family have asked me for money so many times, and I give it to them, to the point where I have no cash left. Then I get more and they ask for more, and I give it to them. I have never killed anyone. I would not kill anyone even if they were going to kill me. Why were you saying those things, as if you know everything about me? It was just a general point. When did I say that I knew everything about love and anything else? You assumed all of those things, but I never said that I knew everything, and I never said that I was perfect. Well, please forgive me. I hope you do not hate me.

 

[Uchihahahaha]

If America falls, I'm blaming it on hard-headed people like you.

What is your point?