When You are Comparing Naruto to Sasuke For God's Sake Dont Use Kurama as Excuse

[YourMom]

I never denied that EMS was given. You said a majority of his powers were given. That thread is pretty much about the power ups Sasuke gets he had to do something to earn it. You make it seem like Sasuke has sitting around doing nothing.

That's not what I was trying to say at all. Just the fact that his most powerfull power up (like narutos) was basically given to him.

 

[rashida chan]

Even though i love sasuke but i have to admit that sasuke without sharingan is a lot weaker than naruto.

 

[midobeast123]

you r correct sir btw who would win a6 year old sasuke or naruto

 

[Anorien16]

That's not what I was trying to say at all. Just the fact that his most powerfull power up (like narutos) was basically given to him.

That we all can agree upon, sasuke is a hard worker, but needs less work due to his natural talents. Where naruto didnt quite develop that way, he has intelligense but is thick headed.

 

[Sephy100]

Did naruto know it then? Did sasuke put up a signboard and say i m partially blind now? This is nonsense ur yarping about..... did u run out of logic? It is clear he was stating about a sasuke WITH SHARINGAN but this thread is about WITHOUT SHARINGAN SASUKE. which part of is not clear to u? Even if naruto knew he was blind, he was refering to level he has reached with the use of his ms. Am i making sense?

Don't get mad at me because Naruto with kyuubi and sage mode said he couldn't beat Sasuke. And a sasuke without sharingan could still take sage mode naruto. Sasuke has more techniques, he knows how to utilize his techniques better( according to what we've seen), he's been in more life or death battles, and he's generally had to fight by himself. Even according to the wiki Sasuke is way ahead of Naruto. You use wiki to prove your points but when it doesn't suit you guys then it's wrong. Go figure...

 

[Unorthodox]

My points:
1.When ur a fanboy u wont like ur hero to be defeated.
2.When u like dragon age, u will like to play it more often.
3.when u like steak, u will try to get it to eat often.
4.If u liked to have ***, even if u wished u cant have it everyday.
Those r normal human reactions, none of us made those accusations u made above, which makes me suspicios.

you to are a fanatic boy

 

[uchiha defender]

this one sidedness is getting ridiculous. for sasuke not to have sharringan you have to go all the way back to the beginning of the uchiha and have thier DNA surgically altered. for naruto not to have the nine tailed up up down down left right left right B A B A select start, the fourth just doesnt imprison it inside him. and i want to know something. why is it always sasuke that is getting his sharringan removed in all these threads. i wonder how dominate itachi would be without his. whenever kakashi gets serious what does he use again? where are all the threads saying anything about itachi or kakashi without thier sharringans? and i notice no one as of yet has had the intestinal fortitude to answer the question i asked a while back. the one about what naruto said he needed to fight with sasuke.

 

[Anorien16]

Don't get mad at me because Naruto with kyuubi and sage mode said he couldn't beat Sasuke. And a sasuke without sharingan could still take sage mode naruto. Sasuke has more techniques, he knows how to utilize his techniques better( according to what we've seen), he's been in more life or death battles, and he's generally had to fight by himself. Even according to the wiki Sasuke is way ahead of Naruto. You use wiki to prove your points but when it doesn't suit you guys then it's wrong. Go figure...

Well i propose u buy spectacles to see better or have u been using ur MS too much?
1. Naruto was not in SM .... look closely

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.... moments before the clash ..... his sage mode ran out before or just after he saved sakura ......

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2. Well it was a naruto with Sage Mode only who said he couldnt beat ms sasuke (yet promised to die with him) cos he hadnt mastered BM yet.Kurams was still unconquered and only a hindrance not help to him.( well he tries to control naruto every chance he gets so i will call that a problem, as it disturbs his focus)
3. Sharingan does not improves chidori's destructive capability.
4. Naruto too had a disadvantage as he had poison running through his system which shld weaken his body significantly
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5. Wiki never says sasuke will always defeat naruto under all circumstances, also wikia databook statistics accounts for basic skill without the boost from SM. Also databook statistics is not absolute, lee has only taijutsu stats but he was able to defeat sasuke easily once in the past.
6.Naruto is no less smart, read the the so called deception part in the wiki u mentioned.
7. Sasuke's only complete solo kills was Deidara (would have died without manda) and in other battles either he was helped or combatants were sick. So neither naruto nor sasuke has a claim to a complete solo kill.

Get ur facts straight. Are u really blind and dumb or only pretend to be? or u trying to twist the facts?

 

[Cascade]

You kinda just repeated the same thing 'naruto has kurama, sage passed down his genes of strong body, and eyes to different brothers, makes them equal, naruto's natural abilities > Sasuke's natural abilities - etc.'

yeah ur right, naruto>Sasuke without their abilities but your so abrubt with your way of saying it lol,

nicely done, but you didnt need a post that long to say what u did lol.

 

[Anorien16]

this one sidedness is getting ridiculous. for sasuke not to have sharringan you have to go all the way back to the beginning of the uchiha and have thier DNA surgically altered. for naruto not to have the nine tailed up up down down left right left right B A B A select start, the fourth just doesnt imprison it inside him. and i want to know something. why is it always sasuke that is getting his sharringan removed in all these threads. i wonder how dominate itachi would be without his. whenever kakashi gets serious what does he use again? where are all the threads saying anything about itachi or kakashi without thier sharringans? and i notice no one as of yet has had the intestinal fortitude to answer the question i asked a while back. the one about what naruto said he needed to fight with sasuke.

I dont know about other threads, but in this one sasuke has no sharingan and naruto dont have kurama. If it were unjust i assure u i wld complain. But how do u call removing both of their greatest power one sidedness?

 

[Anorien16]

you to are a fanatic boy

That may be, but can u find fault with my reasoning?

To Sephy100 if u missed it:
Originally Posted by Sephy100
"Don't get mad at me because Naruto with kyuubi and sage mode said he couldn't beat Sasuke. And a sasuke without sharingan could still take sage mode naruto. Sasuke has more techniques, he knows how to utilize his techniques better( according to what we've seen), he's been in more life or death battles, and he's generally had to fight by himself. Even according to the wiki Sasuke is way ahead of Naruto. You use wiki to prove your points but when it doesn't suit you guys then it's wrong. Go figure..."

THIS IS NARUTO WITHOUT KURAMA VS SASUKE WITHOUT SHARINGAN THREAD

Well i propose u buy spectacles to see better or have u been using ur MS too much?
1. Naruto was not in SM .... look closely

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.... moments before the clash ..... his sage mode ran out before or just after he saved sakura ......

You must be registered for see links

2. Well it was a naruto with Sage Mode only who said he couldnt beat ms sasuke (yet promised to die with him) cos he hadnt mastered BM yet.Kurams was still unconquered and only a hindrance not help to him.( well he tries to control naruto every chance he gets so i will call that a problem, as it disturbs his focus)
3. Sharingan does not improves chidori's destructive capability.
4. Naruto too had a disadvantage as he had poison running through his system which shld weaken his body significantly
read:

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and

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5. Wiki never says sasuke will always defeat naruto under all circumstances, also wikia databook statistics accounts for basic skill without the boost from SM. Also databook statistics is not absolute, lee has only taijutsu stats but he was able to defeat sasuke easily once in the past.
6.Naruto is no less smart, read the the so called deception part in the wiki u mentioned.
7. Sasuke's only complete solo kills was Deidara (would have died without manda) and in other battles either he was helped or combatants were sick. So neither naruto nor sasuke has a claim to a complete solo kill.

Get ur facts straight. Are u really blind and dumb or only pretend to be? or u trying to twist the facts?

HELP PLEASE I M BEING MOBBED BY SASUKE FANS

 

[Poem]

You just can't not use kurama as an excuse because he's going to be ther. It's like Kiba having Arkamaru, Sasuke with the sharingan, Harishama with wood style, and Minato and his flying thunder god.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I'm on your side but what you need to realise is that the bijuu's are a gift from the sage of six paths to the shinobi world. They are "Chakra monsters" as tobi would say so kurama in naruto is a gift and is an external source of power, where as with the uchiha their powers are internal they just have to do certain conditions to unlock it. Naruto's strength without kurama would just be a perfect sage mode even stronger then the one he used against nagato, as ma and pa would be able to merge with him.

The fourth hokage gave naruto this external strength as he knew would day he would be able to control it. So just as his dad wanted naruto is strong because of kurama, his dad left him this power.

The reason I say im on your side is because I don't care that kurama was giving to naruto that is how the story goes! so everyone complaining about this should stop watching if they care so much. The fourth hokage died to give naruto this strength, he went through so much pain because kurama was inside him so to me he deserves it.

Once again

 

[Sephy100]

Well i propose u buy spectacles to see better or have u been using ur MS too much?
1. Naruto was not in SM .... look closely

You must be registered for see links

.... moments before the clash ..... his sage mode ran out before or just after he saved sakura ......

You must be registered for see links

2. Well it was a naruto with Sage Mode only who said he couldnt beat ms sasuke (yet promised to die with him) cos he hadnt mastered BM yet.Kurams was still unconquered and only a hindrance not help to him.( well he tries to control naruto every chance he gets so i will call that a problem, as it disturbs his focus)
3. Sharingan does not improves chidori's destructive capability.
4. Naruto too had a disadvantage as he had poison running through his system which shld weaken his body significantly
read:

You must be registered for see links

and

You must be registered for see links

5. Wiki never says sasuke will always defeat naruto under all circumstances, also wikia databook statistics accounts for basic skill without the boost from SM. Also databook statistics is not absolute, lee has only taijutsu stats but he was able to defeat sasuke easily once in the past.
6.Naruto is no less smart, read the the so called deception part in the wiki u mentioned.
7. Sasuke's only complete solo kills was Deidara (would have died without manda) and in other battles either he was helped or combatants were sick. So neither naruto nor sasuke has a claim to a complete solo kill.

Get ur facts straight. Are u really blind and dumb or only pretend to be? or u trying to twist the facts?

Funny how when presented with the fact that Naruto( base) is still weaker than Sasuke(base) you still complain. Even if you took into account SM for naruto his overall stats come up to 30.5( I increased taijutsu,strength, and speed). Also, last time I checked Sasuke solo'ed Danzo and killed him; all tobi did was warn him to get out of the area because of the blast. But if you want to claim otherwise then that's fair I suppose. Naruto is not smarter than sasuke or else he would be able to pick up jutsu's with ease, just like Sasuke he's closed the gap that much is obvious but he's not smarter. Naruto uses brute force and spams clones like there's no tomorrow. And don't bring up amaterasu since this is SM Naruto vs no sharingan Sasuke. Don't give me some bull about Naruto just left SM when he has two other clones in Mt. Myoboku that could easily have given him his sage mode back. You said he had the poison but if Sasuke is blind and he is poisoned wouldn't that be a fair fight? A poisoned man against a blind man and you still say naruto was at a disadvantage? And how are you being mobbed when you're the one that's been continuing the argument.

 

[Styles]

naruto was "given" kyuubi.
sasuke unlocked sharingan.
The power that the younger son was given was the "body" but this has nothing to do with being a jinchuuriki so it's not naruto's power rightfully.
The power of the elder son is the "eyes" so uchiha have sharingan. Sasuke was basically born with this as part of his power so its his...
However, ppl should stop complaining about these characters, it annoying. They have what they have, so deal with it xd

I Completely Agree +REP

 

[Anorien16]

Funny how when presented with the fact that Naruto( base) is still weaker than Sasuke(base) you still complain. Even if you took into account SM for naruto his overall stats come up to 30.5( I increased taijutsu,strength, and speed). Also, last time I checked Sasuke solo'ed Danzo and killed him; all tobi did was warn him to get out of the area because of the blast. But if you want to claim otherwise then that's fair I suppose. Naruto is not smarter than sasuke or else he would be able to pick up jutsu's with ease, just like Sasuke he's closed the gap that much is obvious but he's not smarter. Naruto uses brute force and spams clones like there's no tomorrow. And don't bring up amaterasu since this is SM Naruto vs no sharingan Sasuke. Don't give me some bull about Naruto just left SM when he has two other clones in Mt. Myoboku that could easily have given him his sage mode back. You said he had the poison but if Sasuke is blind and he is poisoned wouldn't that be a fair fight? A poisoned man against a blind man and you still say naruto was at a disadvantage? And how are you being mobbed when you're the one that's been continuing the argument.

Facts about sasuke base being greater? From u? pls list them like me please, i will like to go through them again, i think u said the following: naruto said he cant beat sasuke, sasuke wld kill him if he tried to go SM, why SM is included in base mode etc and none of them proofs. Also didnt 4 hrs of discussion have no effect on u dumba$$? naruto cant spam that much clones in base mode, ma and pa can fuse with him without kurama and provide senjutusu chakra like they did to jirya (i repeated this a ton of times), i said naruto 'too' had an disadvantage, not naruto only had a disadvantage (are u blind or have no grammertical sense?) plus sasuke wasnt blind his vision was blurry see:

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Also naruto is not that dumb but i wont discuss it. But what i want to discuss how was u able to conclude that SM gives naruto only a 4+ boost in his basic stats? what gave u d scale and measurements? Also karin did give intel about how danzo's sharingan and his chakra level works, wouldnt u call that a lil bit help? cos it proved monumentail in danzo's defeat. Also u didny reply to the fact that lee managed to defeat sasuke easily b4 chunin exam began even tough he had only taijutsu stats.

ALSO dont forget to list the facts again......

 

[tousen]

Very true, Sasuke aint nothing without Sharingan, bt naruto...

 

[ImNoOne]

now give me manga page that says Uchiha didnt get the sharingan i.e (there eyes) from SO6P

Edit: Hope the wall of text doesn't encourage the less patient to read, as those are generally the ones who need most to read the words I wrote below.

How the heck is he supposed to prove with a scan a negative?

That would be the same if I tell you to provide me with the manga scan where it's written the Rammen guy is not Superman, and that Guy is not Hulk's son.

I agree that complaining about Kurama or EMS is dumb, as they do have them so it's pointless to argue it's fairness. But you are getting to a ridiculous point.

For future reference remember that whenever you find yourself writing poor arguments or without arguments at all to answer a post, refrain from posting until you have something smart to say. Don't drag your position down just because you are on a rush to answer.

You started off with a strong argument and when you faced a good "opponent" you watered down your point. He was successful to focus the discussion on a minor point that had little to nothing to do with your initial point and you slipped right into his trap.

When you start off with a good point, that you are fairly sure about, and suddenly realize that you are loosing on a battle of words, read back. Usually it means that you are falling into this problem. Trying to to enforce the weakest part of your original post (that might be wrong) will eventually lead the readers to perceive your whole point as weak. So the best strategy is to always read each post in contest and never forget your strong points and your original general idea.

I'm not writing this to ridicule you, actually I'm taking the time to write this analysis in order to teach you to better argue and be able to make your best contribute to the community. Sight, I could have just have sent this as a personal message but as I've seen so many before you falling to this scenario when faced with strong and intelligent opponents like Blaze, Totsuka, TheEye and others, I've decided to make this as a post so that others might take the same advise.

Cheers and keep thinking and posting!

 

[Sage of Infinity Paths]

Sasuke can kill Naruto,believe it

 

[sageovsixpaths]

well uchiha just stay back and attack like *****s so ya it is fair and if naruto knew about the uzumaki hustory he would be using sealing justus and just seal sauske away