When You are Comparing Naruto to Sasuke For God's Sake Dont Use Kurama as Excuse

[Anorien16]

Sasuke asked Tobi for Itachi's eyes. Remeber he originally declined because he and Itachi had opposing views on the world so he didn't want his eyes. After meeting naruto, sakura and kakashi he told Tobi. In case you don't believe me here you go.

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What right does Tobi has over itachi's eyes? Its like asking a thief to give up stolen goods...... given the truthful whelp tobi is he probably didnt want to see whose side would sasuke take before giving sasuke new powers...... that would be logical

 

[Anorien16]

well considering a simple katon > rasenshurikens and if were assuming things sasuke wil practice mostly on his taijutsu and become fast in possibly learn lighting armor as A and yes the fight will be long and kirin as a big finish

well u forgot to mention, sasuke will get hashi cells, get ten sharingans implanted on his a$$ and become jubbi's new host......etc etc :-D

 

[Unorthodox]

well u forgot to mention, sasuke will get hashi cells, get ten sharingans implanted on his a$$ and become jubbi's new host......etc etc :-D

that could have been possible why you playin

 

[Sephy100]

Well didnt u consider that sasuke may be lil bit dead if hit by a rasensuriken? Also if u want to say base naruto is weaker u have to prove these false:

Minus kurama, naruto still has his mother's chakra and life force, sage mode and rasensuriken, where as sasuke minus sharingan has katon and chidori.
Well do u remember the fact that keeping kurama sealed takes powerful chakra? Also that uzumaki clan is famous for having powerful chakra and strong life force?
Plus can u prove that naruto has low chakra? i havent came across any material that says that.........
Also u forgot the fact that without kurama ma and pa will have no problem merging with naruto and gather narural energy for him (as it was kurama that prevented their merging in the first place) so minus kurama or kurama as a friend naruto has infinite natural energy (theoretically, if u can remember jirya never running out of sage mode with ma and pa by him). So continuois sage mode= more chakra + allround power boost= clones= full power

Sasuke's only sure shot victory chance is kirin but u will need clouds for that...... or a streched battle

Can u prove them wrong?

Rasenshuriken is of course naruto's sure shot way of victory but you forget that the time it takes Naruto to make it Sasuke can kenjutsu and since he's uses chider with it he can paralyze Naruto. As for sage mode, if Jiraiya, who trained for years to get sage mode was only able to accomplish false sage mode with Ma and Pa why would Naruto be any different(Jiraiya has the age and experience). You still haven't proven that you get more chakra from sage mode yet so I can't speak on that. Sasuke has killed 100 men by himself without breaking a sweat or getting blood spilled on him so defeating clones would be a walk in the park especially with chidori nagashi. Also I noted that the wiki said that Kakasi stated Naruto has four times his chakra reserves but is that with or without kyuubi, its hard to tell. Also, if it's base then only jutsu's and skills should be used not sage mode otherwise it just reinforces the fact that Naruto has no base since he has to rely on sage, on ma and pa, and on kurama as well as gamabunta.

 

[Anorien16]

that could have been possible why you playin

i like to joke sometimes..... it breaks the built up pressure

 

[Unorthodox]

i like to joke sometimes..... it breaks the built up pressure

stop being presured then naruto and sasuke are even

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I'm on your side but what you need to realise is that the bijuu's are a gift from the sage of six paths to the shinobi world. They are "Chakra monsters" as tobi would say so kurama in naruto is a gift and is an external source of power, where as with the uchiha their powers are internal they just have to do certain conditions to unlock it. Naruto's strength without kurama would just be a perfect sage mode even stronger then the one he used against nagato, as ma and pa would be able to merge with him.

The fourth hokage gave naruto this external strength as he knew would day he would be able to control it. So just as his dad wanted naruto is strong because of kurama, his dad left him this power.

The reason I say im on your side is because I don't care that kurama was giving to naruto that is how the story goes! so everyone complaining about this should stop watching if they care so much. The fourth hokage died to give naruto this strength, he went through so much pain because kurama was inside him so to me he deserves it.

Wrong wrong wrong :sy: uzumaki's have great life force which is basically stamina and the more stamina you have the more chakra you have. This is why nagato has so much chakra it was because he was an uzumaki. This is also why kushina had so much chakra even after the nine tails was ripped out of her and was almost dead she still could do chakra chains to suppress the nine tails.

The elder son obtain Spiritual energy and powerful chakra, these to things are not referring to large amounts of chakra. Spiritual is stuff like susano and power chakra is stuff like Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven (using chakra it self as a shield)

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The above spread will explain everything to you about what the sage passed down to the two sons and also their descendants. Hyuga bits are semi-theory but when you think about it logically is true.

Wow this thread is still going on I thought it would of ended with my two posts above.

 

[YourMom]

Rasenshuriken is of course naruto's sure shot way of victory but you forget that the time it takes Naruto to make it Sasuke can kenjutsu and since he's uses chider with it he can paralyze Naruto. As for sage mode, if Jiraiya, who trained for years to get sage mode was only able to accomplish false sage mode with Ma and Pa why would Naruto be any different(Jiraiya has the age and experience). You still haven't proven that you get more chakra from sage mode yet so I can't speak on that. Sasuke has killed 100 men by himself without breaking a sweat or getting blood spilled on him so defeating clones would be a walk in the park especially with chidori nagashi. Also I noted that the wiki said that Kakasi stated Naruto has four times his chakra reserves but is that with or without kyuubi, its hard to tell. Also, if it's base then only jutsu's and skills should be used not sage mode otherwise it just reinforces the fact that Naruto has no base since he has to rely on sage, on ma and pa, and on kurama as well as gamabunta.

Naruto perfected sage mode and jiraiya didn't what don't you understand about that? It wouldn't be different because he perfected it without them, with the will only enhance his abilities in sage mode. If I recall since the user uses natural energy it's like having an infinite source of energy since they can absorb e natural energy from the things around them (similar to gokus spirit bomb).

"Senjutsu practitioners can then learn to draw the energy of nature inside of them blending it with their own chakra (created from spiritual and physical energy within the shinobi), adding a new dimension of power to the sage's chakra, resulting in the creation of "senjutsu chakra" (仙術チャクラ, senjutsu chakura). This chakra cannot be seen by anyone other than those who have been trained in senjutsu." ...

"Unlike Jiraiya, Naruto is able to perfectly balance the natural energy with his own chakra. This allows him to use the true Sage Mode, which retains all of his normal physical characteristics"...

"Naruto has some of his shadow clones gather natural energy elsewhere while he fights. Once he has run out of his own senjutsu chakra, he has one of the clones disperse, giving him the clone's natural energy and allowing him to enter Sage Mode again. This method limits the maximum number of shadow clones that Naruto can create to five for as long as the clones are gathering natural energy"

 

[Mishima]

Equal in taijutsu, equal in ninjutsu, Sasuke is better at genjutsu if you discount narutos SM and Sasuke is better at hand seals. Without kurama naruto still has high chakra reserves whcih is why kurama was sealed inside him in the first place. The sharingan isn't a chakra source, but using it does drain away at the users chakra which is why they turn it off and on. Taking sasukes sharingan away wouldn't take away from his chakra levels, but it would make him...kakashi basically, but with less speed. Narutos use of his shadow clones doesn't make him any less of a ninja than the other shinobi. He'd still be able to use Atleast 2 shadow clones (which is the amount he used to make his rasengan).

Databook says there not equal in taijutsu and ninjutsu. Without Kurama Naruto wont be able to use tons of clones like he does now. It takes him like 4 clones just to do a rasenshuriken. Without Kurama he doesn't have enough chakra to maintain all those clones to prepare a rasenshuriken.

 

[Anorien16]

Rasenshuriken is of course naruto's sure shot way of victory but you forget that the time it takes Naruto to make it Sasuke can kenjutsu and since he's uses chider with it he can paralyze Naruto. As for sage mode, if Jiraiya, who trained for years to get sage mode was only able to accomplish false sage mode with Ma and Pa why would Naruto be any different(Jiraiya has the age and experience). You still haven't proven that you get more chakra from sage mode yet so I can't speak on that. Sasuke has killed 100 men by himself without breaking a sweat or getting blood spilled on him so defeating clones would be a walk in the park especially with chidori nagashi. Also I noted that the wiki said that Kakasi stated Naruto has four times his chakra reserves but is that with or without kyuubi, its hard to tell. Also, if it's base then only jutsu's and skills should be used not sage mode otherwise it just reinforces the fact that Naruto has no base since he has to rely on sage, on ma and pa, and on kurama as well as gamabunta.

Now i think ur brain is completely addled:
1. Jirya failed to master sage mode with ma and pa, but naruto mastered without them. So desnt mastering something with help means he is greater than one who couldnt master the same thing with help? PLUS why did naruto surpass jirya for to suck lolipops or to do better than jirya?
2. Naruto can use improved taijutsu with sage mode so can counter with a kuinai, as he too can channel wind chakra.
3. U think sasuke gona use raiton and naruto gona sit around doing nothing? He has fuuton the weakness of raiton plus ma and pa can use suiton too....
4.U want to say kakashi has chakra 1/4th of kurama?
5. Well sage chakra uses 1/3 of spiritual energy, 1/3 stamina and 1/3 nature enery instead of normal 1/2 spiritual energy and 1/2 stamina, so basic calculation suggests it saves a lot of chakra excluding the fact that sage chakra may help u recover sooner.
6. where does gamabunta comes from?
7. well he can use clones instead ma and pa if u like, but ma and pa are the basic part of sage mode cos one can not be still and moving at the same time...... even kabuto has that snake attached to him.
8. everyone knows rasensuriken is not instant, but naruto can easily just throw a mass of fuuton, see his entrance in kakazu fight.

 

[YourMom]

Databook says there not equal in taijutsu and ninjutsu. Without Kurama Naruto wont be able to use tons of clones like he does now. It takes him like 4 clones just to do a rasenshuriken. Without Kurama he doesn't have enough chakra to maintain all those clones to prepare a rasenshuriken.

Fair enough and without EMS being given to him or the power from itachis MS Sasuke would be a normal ninja

 

[Unorthodox]

people need to top listen to these naruto fanboys they no what there typing is 100% BS

 

[Anorien16]

Databook says there not equal in taijutsu and ninjutsu. Without Kurama Naruto wont be able to use tons of clones like he does now. It takes him like 4 clones just to do a rasenshuriken. Without Kurama he doesn't have enough chakra to maintain all those clones to prepare a rasenshuriken.

Ur not considering SM and plus naruto do have a lot of chakra of his own, pls read earlier points. Plus it takes only 2 clones to do rasensuriken. Also note on disappearing clones add experience and chakra back to their user.

 

[YourMom]

For the record, Im not a fan of naruto or Sasuke. My favorite characters are kakashi, Neji, gai and Yamato, but I respect certain aspects and abilities of each character.

 

[Anorien16]

base sasuke > base naruto he did it numerous of times at the academy and in part 2 and soloed the hole team 7

ms sasuke > sm naruto naruto cannot dodge amaterasu or arrows nuff said

EMS sasuke = BM naruto he only has one justu that gets thru susanoo is his tbb and hes open for amaterasu sasuke would get blown to peices and naruto would get burned to ashes

Ur considering the events before naruto had SM training. Also u might remember lee kicked sasuke's ass in academy once, should that be considered now?

 

[Anorien16]

people need to top listen to these naruto fanboys they no what there typing is 100% BS

Shouldnt some be also called sasuke fanboys?

 

[kevenc]

Shouldnt some be also called sasuke fanboys?

^ what he said. unorthodox #1 sasuke fanboy

And to everyone who says Naruto base chakra is low, you're completely retarded.

 

[YourMom]

base sasuke > base naruto he did it numerous of times at the academy and in part 2 and soloed the hole team 7

ms sasuke > sm naruto naruto cannot dodge amaterasu or arrows nuff said

EMS sasuke = BM naruto he only has one justu that gets thru susanoo is his tbb and hes open for amaterasu sasuke would get blown to peices and naruto would get burned to ashes

Naruto in sage mode where all of his physical abilities are enhanced can't dodge Amaterasu even though Sasuke did just that with no physical power up?

 

[Sephy100]

Naruto perfected sage mode and jiraiya didn't what don't you understand about that? It wouldn't be different because he perfected it without them, with the will only enhance his abilities in sage mode. If I recall since the user uses natural energy it's like having an infinite source of energy since they can absorb e natural energy from the things around them (similar to gokus spirit bomb).

"Senjutsu practitioners can then learn to draw the energy of nature inside of them blending it with their own chakra (created from spiritual and physical energy within the shinobi), adding a new dimension of power to the sage's chakra, resulting in the creation of "senjutsu chakra" (仙術チャクラ, senjutsu chakura). This chakra cannot be seen by anyone other than those who have been trained in senjutsu." ...

"Unlike Jiraiya, Naruto is able to perfectly balance the natural energy with his own chakra. This allows him to use the true Sage Mode, which retains all of his normal physical characteristics"...

"Naruto has some of his shadow clones gather natural energy elsewhere while he fights. Once he has run out of his own senjutsu chakra, he has one of the clones disperse, giving him the clone's natural energy and allowing him to enter Sage Mode again. This method limits the maximum number of shadow clones that Naruto can create to five for as long as the clones are gathering natural energy"

If he supposedly has access to all this unlimited nature chakra then why can't he stay in sage mode indefinitely? Also he mastered Sage mode by himself with his clones meaning his clones gather energy and since they are part of him he doesn't have to balance it since they've already balanced it for him. If he has ma and pa then that means he has to balance both of their sage chakra as well as his in order to achieve sage mode. You really think Sasuke would give him the time of day to do that given the fact that we know sauke charges head on for everything? Maybe you're right that Naruto can still access true sage mode with ma and pa but you would have to prove without a reasonable doubt that he could. Rasenshuriken takes up half of sage mode chakra which means it takes up 1/3 regular chakra since we've seen the toll it takes on his body just throwing one.

 

[Ngylle]

what i know is that when naruto plot no jutsu fails + kurama no jutsu is there to save the day!