Kakuzu is on Itachi's level

[Ghostofthewind]

This is all basically bullshit. I'm not picking parts of the manga which i want to accept and which not I just say that chapters which happened to be written 20 years ago aren't accurate anymore haha or do you still believe that Tobi = Madara because he said it once in the manga?

That Itachi's genjutsu are more powerful than Sasukes doesn't change the fact that sasuke most likely used tsukuyomi (due to the fact that he had a pain in his eye after using tsukuyomi, did he had a pain when he used a common genjutsu on deidara? i don't remember hahah)

I don't know wheter to laugh or cry about your pitiful attempt in insulting me ... :sy:

If by bullshit you mean facts straight from the manga you are correct. You're picking which parts of the manga to believe. There is no other way to say it. You can't provide facts against mine so you're saying the information is too old. Every point I made is cited, you can't even cite a counter argument. I could say that what Bee said happened in 413 almost 200 chapters ago and isn't valid anymore, but I won't because I know that's garbage.

You don't understand, it does. Danzo just said it does because Sasuke can't control time like Itachi can. Itachi used it on Kakashi for a second but to Kakashi it felt like 100 years. That's a big deal. And again, the manga never says Sasuke can use or has used Tsukuyomi.

 

[cytoplasm]

If by bullshit you mean facts straight from the manga you are correct. You're picking which parts of the manga to believe. There is no other way to say it. You can't provide facts against mine so you're saying the information is too old. Every point I made is cited, you can't even cite a counter argument. I could say that what Bee said happened in 413 almost 200 chapters ago and isn't valid anymore, but I won't because I know that's garbage.

You don't understand, it does. Danzo just said it does because Sasuke can't control time like Itachi can. Itachi used it on Kakashi for a second but to Kakashi it felt like 100 years. That's a big deal. And again, the manga never says Sasuke can use or has used Tsukuyomi.

How about you can't say that something is old because nothing has changed in that case? You can't say that Bee was wrong with you can free yourself from a Jutsu because it actually was shown that he freed himself and after that theres was no other occasion where Hachibi wasn't able to rescue him. Are you really trying not just to convince me but also other member that I'm ignoring the manga because I fanboy way too much? I already stated my argument and I cited it as well.

btw. heres the whole scene sasuke is definitely using his MS + he's holding his eye afterwards

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Okay wait why the hell would Danzo (someone who knows about the Sharingan and all its techniques) compare tsukuyomi to an ordinary Sharingan Genjutsu?

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And controling time in the Genjutsu doesn't change the ****ing fact that you can free yourself from the Genjutsu? Even if Kakuzu got caught in tsukuyomi, even if it felt like 21783812783182813million years the other hearts can get him out of it thats what we are talking about, so the time in the genjutsu doesn't matter since we are talking about rescueing someone from the genjutsu.

 

[NarutoFanGangsta]

Itachi with Susano + Sword of Totsuka + Yata Mirror <Kakuzu ?
Dont think so

 

[Bogard]

Itachi with Susano + Sword of Totsuka + Yata Mirror <Kakuzu ?
Dont think so

No, Itachi with his lack of stamina won't be able to use Susanoo and all that for too long. It's what you must remember.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

O_O
Kakuza wind is better then DANZOS?!?!?!?
FCK OUTTA HERE MAN!!!!

Also stop bringing up the fact that kakuza fought the 1st. thats all he said. he said that to more so specify his age. Im sure the 1st hokage pwned his ass and let him live. Nothing more nothing less. He is Not on Itachi level. Itachi can turn himself into CROWS? Man. sick...... Itachi would pwn him man,. stop with the useless logic

 

[YourMom]

No, Itachi with his lack of stamina won't be able to use Susanoo and all that for too long. It's what you must remember.

Lmao since when is itachi going to have a lack of stamina?

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

No, Itachi with his lack of stamina won't be able to use Susanoo and all that for too long. It's what you must remember.

You honestly piss me off so much it isn't even funny.

He doesn't need to keep it up forever first off, all he needs to do is use genjutsu and then he can take his time to finish off Kakuzu.

Kakuzu could do nothing against Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi, but even better than that, Itachi could just use regular genjutsu and follow it up with the Totsuka sword, taking out all 5 hearts at once.

And before you say anything, your retarded idea about Kakuzu being immune to genjutsu is just wrong. Not even close to being correct. Kakuzu controls those hearts, they aren't independent of him, and he doesn't have separate chakra circulatory systems either.

P.S. If he got hit by Amaterasu in his main body he would be woken up from the genjutsu, but there is only so much he can detach. His body would still burn and he could detach hearts but if his main body dies then those hearts would be useless.

 

[-Logic-]

Bogard-sama, you've become increasingly annoying, and your threads continue to bother me? Why do you seek to make such threads? It's pathetic and meaningless, you're wasting your time, even if you were right, which you are not, I woulds still be questioning this thread. Kakuzu is nowhere near Itachi's level. I rest my case. Don't feel like explaining, as I'm sure people have done already. Peace out ^_^

 

[Bogard]

Lmao since when is itachi going to have a lack of stamina?

Since we know him....
In part1, 2tsukiyomi and 1Amaterasu and he needed to take a rest
In part2, 2Amaterasu, 1tsukiyomi and 1Susanoo and he died..

 

[YourMom]

Since we know him....
In part1, 2tsukiyomi and 1Amaterasu and he needed to take a rest
In part2, 2Amaterasu, 1tsukiyomi and 1Susanoo and he died..

I do believe his illness played a huge part in this. Besides using 2 tsokuyomi would take a huge toll on any uchihas chakra reserves let alone using Amaterasu too.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Since we know him....
In part1, 2tsukiyomi and 1Amaterasu and he needed to take a rest
In part2, 2Amaterasu, 1tsukiyomi and 1Susanoo and he died..

BAD LOGIC LIKE ALWAYS.

He used a fireball technique, made a clone, used multi shadow clone shuriken, 3 regular genjutsus, Amaterasu twice, Tsukuyomi, and activated Susanoo twice, and he outlasted Sasuke in terms of chakra.

That's right, Itachi as he was dying, outlasted Curse Mark Sasuke, who gets a massive chakra boost. Not to mention the fact that Sasuke had also just absorbed Oro and gotten the chakra and healing boost from that.

Even then though Itachi still outlasted him and ITACHI WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD ALREADY.

 

[Mishima]

How ridiculous...

 

[Bogard]

I do believe his illness played a huge part in this. Besides using 2 tsokuyomi would take a huge toll on any uchihas chakra reserves let alone using Amaterasu too.

No, Itachi especially has bad chakra. Even Databook confirms it. He has even less chakra than Kakashi. He only has 2.5/5 in stamina.

 

[Drakengard]

I can dig Kakuzu using the hearts to break him out of normal genjutsu (I mean Shikamaru used his shadow while stuck in a genjutsu right?), but I'd rather compare him to a sick Itachi than a healthy Itachi. Just makes sure that Itachi's Susano'o is truly a double-edged sword instead of just benefits.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

No, Itachi especially has bad chakra. Even Databook confirms it. He has even less chakra than Kakashi. He only has 2.5/5 in stamina.

And yet he outlasted Curse Mark Sasuke who had absorbed Orochimaru.

It doesn't even matter though because this fight would be finished in minutes, if not faster.

 

[Owarij]

Since we know him....
In part1, 2tsukiyomi and 1Amaterasu and he needed to take a rest
In part2, 2Amaterasu, 1tsukiyomi and 1Susanoo and he died..

Actually, Fireball, Genjutsu, Tsukyomi, 2 amaterasu's, susanno, And 1 SEALED amaterasu..

Then he died of SICKNESS...not chakra exhaustion

No, Itachi especially has bad chakra. Even Databook confirms it. He has even less chakra than Kakashi. He only has 2.5/5 in stamina.

His stanima isn't only how much chakra the person has.. It's about how long they can last in a fight.. that's what stanima is..


Due to Itachi being horribly sick he cant' last long in battle.. but that's not neccesarily commenting on his chakra... he outlasted sasuke in his match.. with 2.5...

Kakashi has what? 3 or 3.5? yes fought so many people in the current war..

 

[shuvham]

Yes i believe Kakuzu is on Itachis level because:

- He has 5hearts and 5chakra system, so genjutsu may be useless since even if one chakra system fall under Itachis control, the other could wake him up.

- He has his doton defense that could make him almost untouchable in close combat. Only raiton is his weakness

- He has great long range attack and has a great experience in battle and i suppose he has great knowledge about sharingan since he fought all this time

- With all his jutsus he can overwhelm Itachi and he has much more chakra than him, so Itachi could not keep up if the fight last too long

By hype, he fought Hashirama when at that time he was young, with only one heart and one affinity, without the experience he achieved during his life and managed to survive. Now he is even much more powerful than back then. He was even the strongest in his village, and if authorities wanted him to assassinate Shodai(suppose to be the strongest in ninja world), that means Kakuzu must have been one of the strongest at that time. So begin to imagine right now, when he is even stronger than at that time...

itachi has susanoo,izanami,power of black flames,and also was a great tactician,he will win over kakuzu

 

[obscoral]

No, Itachi especially has bad chakra. Even Databook confirms it. He has even less chakra than Kakashi. He only has 2.5/5 in stamina.

2,5 is far from 0.5 u know...
U_U

 

[FloriGlori]

To be exact, he used even more than two Amaterasu shots. On top of that he extinguished it once, which is quite damaging as well like it can be seen in Sasuke's fight against Bee.

Not to mention that Tsukuyomi was broken, which took quite a toll on Itachi, too. On top of that he used the full version of Susanoo after tanking Kirin and even fought Yamata no Jutsu with it.

No, Itachi's stamina isn't that bad at all.

 

[Blaze Release]

Why do you guys bother. Hype, abilities, feats everything goes to itachi.
All he has said is merely his opinion and nothing more. Why you still argue with his opinion ive no idea