Kakuzu is on Itachi's level

[iMicLykTyson]

Bogard I suggest u give It a rest.

 

[hit a lick]

kakazu is very smart he fought the first hokage and survived he was in the era where war was at its prime time. and through all that found a way to survive it all. not saying hes on itachis level but itachi isnt on his level either

 

[iamdsixth]

Yes i believe Kakuzu is on Itachis level because:

- He has 5hearts and 5chakra system, so genjutsu may be useless since even if one chakra system fall under Itachis control, the other could wake him up.

- He has his doton defense that could make him almost untouchable in close combat. Only raiton is his weakness

- He has great long range attack and has a great experience in battle and i suppose he has great knowledge about sharingan since he fought all this time

- With all his jutsus he can overwhelm Itachi and he has much more chakra than him, so Itachi could not keep up if the fight last too long

By hype, he fought Hashirama when at that time he was young, with only one heart and one affinity, without the experience he achieved during his life and managed to survive. Now he is even much more powerful than back then. He was even the strongest in his village, and if authorities wanted him to assassinate Shodai(suppose to be the strongest in ninja world), that means Kakuzu must have been one of the strongest at that time. So begin to imagine right now, when he is even stronger than at that time...

-He was strong.But to put him on that level,,???
"so MAYBE genjutsu wont work" that is a big "maybe"

-There are many ways to win a battle besides close combat.

-Yes.He does have great long range attacks,mostly projectiles which would not be a problem once Susanoo is summoned.

-I doubt he can overwhelm itachi with his jutsus.As we can all see,they were long range elemental attacks which Susanoo would gladly take. Kakashi was also able to dodge them.

-About the hype with him facing the first. Hashirama probly hanged him on a tree and used him for a punching bag. He did state that he fought him but i certainly do not believe he gave a good fight.

You do have the right to share your opinion.I was just sharing mine.Have a great day.

 

[Nine]

Susanoo
Yata Mirror
Totsuka Sword
Izanagi/Izanami

I have more reasons but they don't matter after these.

 

[Red Swag]

Yes i believe Kakuzu is on Itachis level because:

- He has 5hearts and 5chakra system, so genjutsu may be useless since even if one chakra system fall under Itachis control, the other could wake him up.

- He has his doton defense that could make him almost untouchable in close combat. Only raiton is his weakness

- He has great long range attack and has a great experience in battle and i suppose he has great knowledge about sharingan since he fought all this time

- With all his jutsus he can overwhelm Itachi and he has much more chakra than him, so Itachi could not keep up if the fight last too long

By hype, he fought Hashirama when at that time he was young, with only one heart and one affinity, without the experience he achieved during his life and managed to survive. Now he is even much more powerful than back then. He was even the strongest in his village, and if authorities wanted him to assassinate Shodai(suppose to be the strongest in ninja world), that means Kakuzu must have been one of the strongest at that time. So begin to imagine right now, when he is even stronger than at that time...

sorry but kakuzu got trolled by the two konoha guards

 

[Bogard]

-He was strong.But to put him on that level,,???
"so MAYBE genjutsu wont work" that is a big "maybe"

I think Kakuzu is greatly underestimated, seriously. We don't give a mission to someone to assassinate the strongest ninjas in the world at that time, if this person is not strong too. Like it's said in the manga, you need a partner to help you to be free from a genjutsu. His partners are the monsters who live inside of him. So yes, i think genjutsu couldn't work against him

-There are many ways to win a battle besides close combat.

Yes, but does Itachi have them? That's what i really doubt. He is not that good in ninjutsu, and since i think genjutsu is useless i don't see what he can do. With his doton defense, Kakuzu can protect himself from almost every physical attacks. The only jutsu i see working on him that Itachi possess is Amaterasu, but Itachi can't spamm it that easily especially when he was alive, and Kakuzu has great experience in battle and has 5hearts.

-Yes.He does have great long range attacks,mostly projectiles which would not be a problem once Susanoo is summoned.

Danzo futon was able to go through Susanoo and Danzos futon is ridiculous compare to Kakuzus

You do have the right to share your opinion.I was just sharing mine.Have a great day.

You're welcome. It's even better when some people have different opinions. Without that, the debate is not possible

 

[Troyg39]

Good points. It's too bad most people aren't going to read this and take in what you said, and even more are going to read it and completely ignore it. Fanboyism is such a pity. It took like 4 fighters + Rasenshuriken to beat Kakuzu. I say if Itachi fights him 1 on 1 he may just lose to Kakuzu. People don't realize that there is a such thing as fighting style advantage and Kakuzu definately has that against Itachi. The only thing that he would have to watch out for is Amaterasu and Susanoo, but with Itachi's bad health and short chakra span, if he could survive long enough he may win. Great thread!

 

[Pein67]

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I think Kakuzu is greatly underestimated, seriously. We don't give a mission to someone to assassinate the strongest ninjas in the world at that time, if this person is not strong too. Like it's said in the manga, you need a partner to help you to be free from a genjutsu. His partners are the monsters who live inside of him. So yes, i think genjutsu couldn't work against him

Yes, but does Itachi have them? That's what i really doubt. He is not that good in ninjutsu, and since i think genjutsu is useless i don't see what he can do. With his doton defense, Kakuzu can protect himself from almost every physical attacks. The only jutsu i see working on him that Itachi possess is Amaterasu, but Itachi can't spamm it that easily especially when he was alive, and Kakuzu has great experience in battle and has 5hearts.


Danzo futon was able to go through Susanoo and Danzos futon is ridiculous compare to Kakuzus


You're welcome. It's even better when some people have different opinions. Without that, the debate is not possible

Agree with this, Kakuzu wanted to kill Hashirama and was still alive after the fight..It's obvious Kakuzu is far above Itachi 's level about experience and ninjutsus ,he's above in taijutsu and strengh because of his tentacles and his doton jutsu that make his body strong like diamond ,Itachi is above in speed and genjutsu and slighty in intel .

They're around the same level it's a fact.

 

[DeViliShChild]

Yes i believe Kakuzu is on Itachis level because:

- He has 5hearts and 5chakra system, so genjutsu may be useless since even if one chakra system fall under Itachis control, the other could wake him up.

- He has his doton defense that could make him almost untouchable in close combat. Only raiton is his weakness

- He has great long range attack and has a great experience in battle and i suppose he has great knowledge about sharingan since he fought all this time

- With all his jutsus he can overwhelm Itachi and he has much more chakra than him, so Itachi could not keep up if the fight last too long

By hype, he fought Hashirama when at that time he was young, with only one heart and one affinity, without the experience he achieved during his life and managed to survive. Now he is even much more powerful than back then. He was even the strongest in his village, and if authorities wanted him to assassinate Shodai(suppose to be the strongest in ninja world), that means Kakuzu must have been one of the strongest at that time. So begin to imagine right now, when he is even stronger than at that time...

Never said anything about 5 chakara systems. the hearts just allow him to use thier affinity, not their chakara.

 

[YourMom]

I think Kakuzu is greatly underestimated, seriously. We don't give a mission to someone to assassinate the strongest ninjas in the world at that time, if this person is not strong too. Like it's said in the manga, you need a partner to help you to be free from a genjutsu. His partners are the monsters who live inside of him. So yes, i think genjutsu couldn't work against him

Yes, but does Itachi have them? That's what i really doubt. He is not that good in ninjutsu, and since i think genjutsu is useless i don't see what he can do. With his doton defense, Kakuzu can protect himself from almost every physical attacks. The only jutsu i see working on him that Itachi possess is Amaterasu, but Itachi can't spamm it that easily especially when he was alive, and Kakuzu has great experience in battle and has 5hearts.


Danzo futon was able to go through Susanoo and Danzos futon is ridiculous compare to Kakuzus


You're welcome. It's even better when some people have different opinions. Without that, the debate is not possible

First, no one said kakuzu wasn't strong. Your partner can't break you free from tsokuyomi only someone with sharingan can. Who said itachi wasn't good at ninjutsu? You don't become as powerful as itachi was using just genjutsu. Itachis strong suit isn't taijutsu, but he's still above average in it. Kakuzu can't protect himself from susanoos sword that's a fact and lastly stop comparing sasukes susanoo to itachis. Itachis susanoo > sasukes susanoo

 

[Saiyan Kammy]

He's no where near on Itachis level

 

[6pathofpain]

But you forgot, Kakashi>Kakuzu.. LOLOL. According to this site

Woooooooooooaaaaaaa, don't talk about kakashi like that because if kakuzu didn't have hidan an it was a one on one it would of been completely different...

 

[Dolpha Mihawk]

Good points. It's too bad most people aren't going to read this and take in what you said, and even more are going to read it and completely ignore it. Fanboyism is such a pity. It took like 4 fighters + Rasenshuriken to beat Kakuzu. I say if Itachi fights him 1 on 1 he may just lose to Kakuzu. People don't realize that there is a such thing as fighting style advantage and Kakuzu definately has that against Itachi. The only thing that he would have to watch out for is Amaterasu and Susanoo, but with Itachi's bad health and short chakra span, if he could survive long enough he may win. Great thread!

I'm sorry but this thread has been read upon prooved wrong over 10 times.
the argument lacked detail.

the spectualtion upon kakazus hearts breaking genjutsu was proven wrong (more than once by myself and others) which was practically the foundation of th OP.

the people defending itachi have practically taken a shit on the weak arguements made for kakazu and yet your calling fanboyism.?

well in that case you guys are getting roflstomp by fanboys considering the poeple who think this thread is trash (neutral people) have been coming up with infinatley better arguments then what is being said for kakazu.

which so far has been pure wank

 

[bebapuopeleh15]

am sorry but there is no way that he can be on itachi's level. itachi will rape him on a fight

 

[Ghostofthewind]

Do you know whats so funny about that?

1. Kakshi said this in like Chapter 256 or something like that that with B happened in like chater 410 thats so much story between them you can't say that statements which were made almost 200 chapters before something happened are still accurate

2. Sasuke is holding his right eye because after using the genjutsu his eye started to hurt. the ms techniques hurt the user not the common sharingan genjutsus.

1. I'm not saying anything, I'm telling you what the manga says. The Manga says Tsukuyomi can't be canceled. The Manga showed Bee being effected by a genjutsu and the manga says Tsukuyomi effects an opponent in an instant. You can't pick and choose what parts of the manga you want to accept and which ones you don't. My points are referenced and valid, yours are made up.

2. The manga doesn't say that Sasuke has ever used or can use Tsukuyomi, however, the manga does say that Sasuke's genjutsu isn't near as strong as Itachi's. 478 p3

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3rd. You're a Kabuto fan. You know nothing. In fact, you know less than nothing. If you knew you knew nothing, that'd be something but you don't.

 

[allWILLknowPAIN]

kakazu is very smart he fought the first hokage and survived he was in the era where war was at its prime time. and through all that found a way to survive it all. not saying hes on itachis level but itachi isnt on his level either

hell ya this is the best post i agree, but i justwant all itachi fans to know that itachi has been givin so many powers that are unstopale technacly he is the strongest ever cause his ameratsu undodgable his tsynomi cant get out his susano not so cool but the weapons it has are unbeatable a sheild that blocks everything even kamui and dust style and a sword that can perce anything instantly and trap its soul i think tats why they make itachi the guy that says every justu has a weakness even him or he would be god and any one who denies this guys post about kakazu and his experiance is dumb cause kakazu is absolutly on itachis level he could probably win 1 out of 10 times

 

[OWanime]

nope I think kisame can beat him with mid-high difficulty so no xd

 

[narutohost]

kakauzu just suck before itachi ... if you guys watch naruto then you should know that kakuzu can't even touch itachis finger ... :|

 

[cytoplasm]

1. I'm not saying anything, I'm telling you what the manga says. The Manga says Tsukuyomi can't be canceled. The Manga showed Bee being effected by a genjutsu and the manga says Tsukuyomi effects an opponent in an instant. You can't pick and choose what parts of the manga you want to accept and which ones you don't. My points are referenced and valid, yours are made up.

2. The manga doesn't say that Sasuke has ever used or can use Tsukuyomi, however, the manga does say that Sasuke's genjutsu isn't near as strong as Itachi's. 478 p3

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3rd. You're a Kabuto fan. You know nothing. In fact, you know less than nothing. If you knew you knew nothing, that'd be something but you don't.

This is all basically bullshit. I'm not picking parts of the manga which i want to accept and which not I just say that chapters which happened to be written 20 years ago aren't accurate anymore haha or do you still believe that Tobi = Madara because he said it once in the manga?

That Itachi's genjutsu are more powerful than Sasukes doesn't change the fact that sasuke most likely used tsukuyomi (due to the fact that he had a pain in his eye after using tsukuyomi, did he had a pain when he used a common genjutsu on deidara? i don't remember hahah)

I don't know wheter to laugh or cry about your pitiful attempt in insulting me ... :sy:

 

[sulanis]

Kakazu is a great ninja, but like all people with power they tend to let it get to there head and lose sight of what there opponent is capable of. Itachi, however, is always calm and collected and looks at things for what they are. This is one of the reason why Itachi is superior to most people in the narutoverse. he may not be as physically powerful, but sometimes its the smartest who wins.