Tobirama on Edo Tensei

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Now, most people think that Tobirama isn't that strong because all he's got is his Suiton abilities (which for me, I honestly think is really cool but I guess it's not "Godly" enough for others), his S/T jutsu which we haven't seen at all and only know about it because Minato said so, and lastly, his Edo Tensei technique which people really underrate because Orochimaru was the one who "perfected" it.


Okay, there's two ways to see this.

One is that most people are probably right. Maybe Nidaime's ET wasn't the "perfect" one. The other is that they're wrong and Nidaime's ET still kicked ass. Now, the question is, what's a perfect ET? Cuz this is what really matters since everyone's been saying that his ET doesn't matter since it wasn't perfect.

And again, there are three ways to see this.

FIRST
A perfect ET is when the user can manipulate a lot of people at the same time. If Orochimaru perfected the Edo Tensei, he was able to summon 2 shinobis which means that Nidaime's "imperfect" one should have only allowed him to summon 1 shinobi.

NOTE:I personally don't think it matters who you summon. The "difficulty" and all will be just the same. It makes no difference in difficulty of summon a hokage and a genin except for maybe manipulating the techs they previously own (i.e. the difference of making Hashirama perform the Mokuton and making an ordinary shinobi do some random Katon tech).

SECOND
A perfect ET means better control of your summoning. This would mean that if Orochimaru's ET was the perfect one compared to Nidaime's, then Orochimaru was better at controlling his summons and being able to use their own personal techs (i.e. even if Orochimaru can't perform Mokuton, but since Hashirama can, he can make him do it even though he doesn't know the hand seals or knowledge of the techs, etc). This could also lead us to why they put the seals on the back of the head of their summons. Maybe Nidaime during his time didn't know that you could do that or didn't know the proper seal for this thus making his ET imperfect.

NOTE: now, if this is the case, it would probably be more acceptable, don't you think? Because just imagine using ET and making your summons only use Taijutsu or maybe use them as human, non-dying, eternal shields from your attackers since you aren't able to make them perform any special Ninjutsu or Genjutsu from their past lives. I mean, isn't that the reason why you'd want to use ET? Just imagine if Nidaime used ET on his brother, Hashirama. Edo Hashirama would've made Konoha a country and not a village if you know what I mean.

THIRD
And lastly, just being able to summon anything at all. If this is the case then that means Nidaime's Edo Tensei really does not matter at all since his summons are worthless.


Now, my point here is this: most people really think that Nidaime barely or doesn't deserve any credit besides "inventing" ET since he didn't perfect it. They're assuming that Nidaime's ET was useless or it didn't matter since it wasn't "perfect".

Well, remember, even though it wasn't perfect, MOST if not ALL of the Kages during his time acknowledged and maybe even FEARED his ET. Cuz you know, if it was so "useless" then why bother using it in battle at all? Nidaime had his really greay Suiton techs, he had his S/T techs, and he had the body of a Senju so why bother wasting chakra on an imperfect/useless tech? Take note that imperfect doesn't always mean it's weak. Rasengan is an imperfect tech made by the Yondaime Hokage but it's been kicking ass all throughout the show.

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hashi and tobirama were not perfect . they barely did nothin' lul
 

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I agree +rep
 

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I think that nidaime never perfected the technique cause he saw how he was causing pain to both the summons and the sacrifice.

he labeled it kinjutsu after all. I think it would not be a stretch to say that he would have perfected it cause when you invent something you know it inside out and the areas where you can improve it. :|
 

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I think that nidaime never perfected the technique cause he saw how he was causing pain to both the summons and the sacrifice.

he labeled it kinjutsu after all. I think it would not be a stretch to say that he would have perfected it cause when you invent something you know it inside out and the areas where you can improve it. :|

But even knowing that, why would he try to attempt on performing it in the first place if he truly cared if it hurt the dead and the sacrifice?
 

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I think that nidaime never perfected the technique cause he saw how he was causing pain to both the summons and the sacrifice.

he labeled it kinjutsu after all. I think it would not be a stretch to say that he would have perfected it cause when you invent something you know it inside out and the areas where you can improve it. :|

true enough
 

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But even knowing that, why would he try to attempt on performing it in the first place if he truly cared if it hurt the dead and the sacrifice?

keep in mind that he lived during times of war.

ET is a perfect way to minimize casualties of your side.

Use war prisoners as sacrifice and use ET zombies to kill the enemies, if they don't have any info on et the enemy will be baffled and suffer heavy losses until they figure out something.
 

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Tobirama never perfected it cuz he STOPPED DOONG IT. he realized it was wrong. That being said he could have because he invented it.
 

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Maybe he wanted to find a way to bring the dead back to life, true life.
 

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I think that they call Tobirama's ET imperfect because he didn't use Mind-controlling talismans like Oro or Kabuto did.

It's pretty clear that you can summon more than 1 at a time, that's not make it imperfect but what I've stated does.

Also I've a pretty good explanation as to why Tobirama's ET was Feared by other Kages even if it was Imperfect. Tobirama must be using that tech to revive his dead clansmen i.e. the members of the strongest clan along with Hashirama [after Hashi's death]. And those guys wouldn't need a talisman for controlling because they'd help willingly.
 

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keep in mind that he lived during times of war.

ET is a perfect way to minimize casualties of your side.

Use war prisoners as sacrifice and use ET zombies to kill the enemies, if they don't have any info on et the enemy will be baffled and suffer heavy losses until they figure out something.

Okay2x, I see your point. Very good point my good sir.

Tobirama never perfected it cuz he STOPPED DOONG IT. he realized it was wrong. That being said he could have because he invented it.

Most probably. The only reason I see as to why he must've stopped using it.

Maybe he wanted to find a way to bring the dead back to life, true life.

This is very interesting cuz if that WAS the true purpose of the Edo Tensei technique then as of now, it should still be branded as imperfect.

I think that they call Tobirama's ET imperfect because he didn't use Mind-controlling talismans like Oro or Kabuto did.

It's pretty clear that you can summon more than 1 at a time, that's not make it imperfect but what I've stated does
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Also I've a pretty good explanation as to why Tobirama's ET was Feared by other Kages even if it was Imperfect. Tobirama must be using that tech to revive his dead clansmen i.e. the members of the strongest clan along with Hashirama [after Hashi's death]. And those guys wouldn't need a talisman for controlling because they'd help willingly.

BOLD parts: I mentioned those above.
 

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no, he used the mind control fuda since anbu recognises the fuda and what it does before seeing it take effect. so yeah he pretty much knew how to use it but oro completed it.
 

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nice job

perfect or not, edo tensei is haxxed
while nidai was a boss

period
 

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Edo tensei is only as strong as the summoned People.

We have no clue who Tobirama could've summoned, could of been just a bunch of fodder Jonin that he beat in battle throughout his time for all we know.
or how many he could controll at one time.
 

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no, he used the mind control fuda since anbu recognises the fuda and what it does before seeing it take effect. so yeah he pretty much knew how to use it but oro completed it.

ahh i forgot that the anbu had recognized the talismans. now im truly curious what makes it "incomplete". My only thoughts would be that nidaime COULD control their bodies, manipulating their movements at will, BUT possibly not completely wiping out their minds and making them killing machines as orochimaru and kabuto do. Once again, we're only considering it "perfect" from orochimaru and kabuto's opinions (perfect = MINDLESS killing machines), which might be different from what nidaime considered perfect (perfect = puppet for battle). That's my thoughts
 
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Edo tensei is only as strong as the summoned People.

We have no clue who Tobirama could've summoned, could of been just a bunch of fodder Jonin that he beat in battle throughout his time for all we know.
or how many he could controll at one time.

I don't think the level of difficulty of Edo Tensei isn't based on who you summon but how many and how you use them.


ahh i forgot that the anbu had recognized the talismans. now im truly curious what makes it "incomplete". My only thoughts would be that nidaime COULD control their bodies, manipulating their movements at will, BUT possibly not completely wiping out their minds and making them killing machines as orochimaru and kabuto do. Once again, we're only considering it "perfect" from orochimaru and kabuto's opinions (perfect = MINDLESS killing machines), which might be different from what nidaime considered perfect (perfect = puppet for battle). That's my thoughts

This would be believable since it's totally like Orochimaru to turn things into mindless killing machines.
 

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The guy CREATED edo tensei. Stop underrating him.
 
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