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Re: So can we ALL agree....(yes this again)
Eh could be possible. But to me he looks like an aburame because of the sunglasses. He kind of looks like torune actually, maybe he is torunes father that Tobi briefly talked about. It would make sense since Torune was his current bodyguard so back then it was probably his father.
Eh could be possible. But to me he looks like an aburame because of the sunglasses. He kind of looks like torune actually, maybe he is torunes father that Tobi briefly talked about. It would make sense since Torune was his current bodyguard so back then it was probably his father.
blazekev90
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Re: So can we ALL agree....(yes this again)
I still don't know how Madara would know so much about Danzo since that was after his time, especially if he had no connects in the village if he was Tobi.
blazekev90
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Re: So can we ALL agree....(yes this again)
I was gonna connect him to the guy in the pic because they both have marks on their face but I didn't feel like it
Nidaime Pupil
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Re: So can we ALL agree....(yes this again)
Pretty interesting theory I have often wondered if that guy wearing the glasses is Kagami Uchiha it would make sense with everything else you said and he was a former teammate of Danzo's.
It's still a strech but I like the part about helping Itachi that would make sense.
Pretty interesting theory I have often wondered if that guy wearing the glasses is Kagami Uchiha it would make sense with everything else you said and he was a former teammate of Danzo's.
It's still a strech but I like the part about helping Itachi that would make sense.
TobiIsYourMom
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Omg guuuyyyzzzzz!!! Tobi is obito!!!!
Holy shiT, peoplesss, like, Tobi is TOTALLY Obito!!!
They haev the same hairstyle, and Tobi wears an orange mask that only shows one eye. OBIT'S FAVORIE COLOR WAS ORANGE!! THEN IF YOU SWITCH TOBI AROUND, IT TURNS INTO OBITO!!! AND VICE VERSA!!!! LIKE ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG!!!! LIKE OH MY GO, GUYS!!!! IT"S LIKE, NOOOO COWINCIDENCEE!!!!! OOOHH!!!! Lkike omgggg!!!!
Okay, enough of that. THAT above^ is what people usually expect when they see a Tobi = Obito thread, so I'm going to give actually GOOD evidence that the masked man Tobi may in fact be, Uchiha Obito.
Firstly, the big "Tobi Reveal" is only exciting and climactic, if the readers AND the characters in the manga, recognize the man behind the mask. This will create a huge amount of shock value and will come to wonder how Uchiha Obito came to be Tobi. Since Tobi's identity has been hidden so long, it makes sense that we should be shocked by whoever it is. Plus, we, the audience, and the characters in the manga, should recognize him. This will create emotional trauma in the characters. Now at this point I guess you'll will be saying, "Well, Naruto won't recognize Obito!" True, however, there are no logical candidates to be Tobi that Naruto would recognize anyway, so that argument is invalid. Plus, I think it would work better if Naruto doesn't recognize Tobi's true identity, because this symbolizes Tobi and Naruto's clashing ideals, not whether Naruto recognizes him or not. As for who will recognize him, Kakashi, obviously, Lol.
Since Obito was originally an exact parallel to Naruto, an evil Obito would therefore make the best final villain(besides Sasuke)for Naruto. Plus, what would be the shock of it being someone we don't instantly recognize? I mean, if it IS Obito, recognition should be easy as half his face should be crushed and half should be fine.
A common argument against the Obito theory is "Why would Obito turn evil? He was good!" Well, my answer to that is, of course we don't know WHY he is doing this. If we did, that would be a give away of him being Tobi. His motivation will likely be revealed AFTER the reveal of him being Tobi.
Another thing: go to Naruto chapter 515 and go to page 3. it is a color page with the Konoha Eleven in war uniforms. Looking above Naruto is an enlarged picture of Tobi's head/mask. If you look carefully through the eyeholes, you will see that under the right side of his face(the side with his sharingan) there are wrinkles/scars and on the other side, no such wrinkles/scars are visible. Now why would Kishi show that deep into one of his mask holes, and not the other?
Don't believe me? Here's the link:
Something else that's suspicious is that Kishi has never explained how Rin died or how Kakashi got his mangekyo, when he could have easily have had Kakashi explain how he got mangekyo when he first got it and tell how Rin died in the databook. We are missing a major flashback! And we will most likely get it eventually, but it has to occur at a time that makes sense and has something to do with what's happening around it. Tobi being Obito, would make the most sense to be what triggers this flashback.
And, in regards to Tobi's mask I find it strange how he picked orange of all colors, especially since very few characters in this manga wear orange. You'd think he would choose a more threatening color. It seems more like a personal preference if you ask me.
Here's one more thing. You know how Kishi very often incorporates Japanese mythology into his writing, right? Well, here's a cool little piece of information that I found on a site:
"--------------Mythology in Japan-----------------
First I'll present an overview of what some of you may know, as we will need it for further investigation, il'll keep it short, so bear with me:
Notes on Izanagi: As you know, the God(Kami) Izanagi created the three gods Amaterasu(Sun God), Susanoo(Fighting God) and Tsukoyomi (Moon God) by wiping dirt from his eye's and nose, which he got when traveling in the underworld yomi and witnessing its horror (Lost his wife).
Manga relevance: Izanagi created those three gods while experiencing something terrible, which correlates to Mangekyo sharingan activating when experiencing something horrible.
With MS you will then be able to use these three abilities.
Rinnegan: Rinnegan obviously comes from the term Rinne, which revolves the 6 forms of death and rebirth, the worlds constant struggle continues struggling with no escape but one: Enlightment!
You may only escape this terrifying struggle by finally understanding the world and all 6 paths, you will finally find absolute peace.
Which is called Nehan. So will we see some Nehan action in in the ending for this manga? Maybe.
Notes on Kamui: Kakashi has shown no ability to use these three techniques, but the ability Kamui, which relates to the term "god" itself.
Why? Possible answers are that he isn't an Uchiha or because he didn't get MS through horrible means, or something else entirely.
Notes on Tobi:He has not shown the ability to use Amaterasu and Co. Which means he hasn't got MS, but then how is he gonna accomplish the Moon's Eye Plan without Tsukuyomi? His reason for Sasuke?
Or does he have MS, but only the ability Kamui like Kakashi? Why? Is he not an Uchiha either or is there perhaps another reason?
Why do i tell you this? Because by examining old myths and symbols, we might predict the outcome of the manga or identities.
Did you know of the myth of the 8 headed snake Orochi that got killed by Susanoo? Or the myth of Jiraiya the toad hermit that was in love with Tsunade the slug princess?etc.
Now the interesting part:
In japanese prehistory there are a lot of myths and symbols, and i present one in particular.
Symbol behind one open, one closed eye:
Ancient figures are often depicted with a right eye open and a left one closed, it means "change", light and darkness, as the open eye means full moon and the closed eye means new moon.
The lunar cycle was the only long term means of observing time.So characters that have one eye symbolize change and time, darkness and light.
(Remember Kamui, space/time jutsu)
There are several Japanese figures with two faces pointing away from each other, one side depicting a right eye open, a left wounded eye with a diagonal cut, sometimes crying.
The other face either has no real face depicted with eyes at all, or simply a close left eye.
These one open, one closed eye figures all show spirals on the sides of their heads or on other body parts.
Now, i don't think i must point out the resemblance to Kakashi and his left vertical wounded eye, and to Tobi's spiral mask.
Tobi originally only showed one eye, of course this was intended symbolism of the Moon and in my opinion, the "change" in Obito. What was very interesting, was Tobi using Izanagi with his left eye, closing it forever.
Also the fact that they both show Space/time abilities, while both having one eye showing, is an amazing coincidence.
When remembering the MS ability Kamui, they might indeed share another plain of MS power than Madara, Itachi and Sasuke. A form of special MS, only achieved through shared grieve and by sharing the sharingan. Not by killing your best friend, but by something else.
Source:
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Japanese prehistory: The material and spiritual culture of the Jomon period.
written by Nelly Naumann."
Now, here some more stuff that proves that Obito is probably the most logical and dramatic choice for Tobi:
Back in part 1, itachi told sasuke in a flashback that there was a third Sharingan user. Now, we all now that he was talking about Tobi, which means that Kishi would have had Tobi's identity set from the start. Now, who was already created by Kishi at that time, who is a plausible Tobi candidate? Obito. If Tobi is Kagami or one of those sons or anyone introduced way after him, then Kishi would have talked about them more. Obviously Kishi had to have Obito in his mind since we already knew kakashi had his sharingan. I think that Kishi intended Obito to be the main villain from the beginning. If it were someone like Kagami or the sons or something, why not mention them sooner or talk about them more often.
There's got to be a reason that gaiden and Tobi's first apearance are seperated by the Gaara rescue arc. And tobi and obito are both shown to be clumsy in their first apearances. Also, who the hell else besides Obito would be able to pull off a silly act like that? All these people can't explain why Tobi's space-time only comes from his right eye. And why his mask is suspiciously the same color as Tobi's mask, insisting a similar color preference.
Also, Tobi wore his akatsuki ring on his left hand, while obito held his Kunai with his left hand, this could mean that they're both lefties.
When kakashi was dying after his battle with pain, he was remembering Obito and thinking how he broke his promise and couldn't save Rin. This could be part of obito's motive. it could also be why kakashi said everyone close to him was dead. it's because Obito keeps killing them all to get revenge for him not protecting Rin. Combined with his hatred for war and being crushed by a huge boulder, I could see Madara being able to corrupt him and make him turn evil. Also, remember that sharingan glare he gave Kakashi? these things are called foreshadowing. Authors use it all the time.
LINK:
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And, here's another example of foreshadowing:
LINK:
Why would kakashi randomly mention that he broke his promise to protect Rin? Kishi had to be hinting at something.
And we've already seen bits of the left side of his face in these panels and it doesn't apear to have any wrinkles/scars:
LINK:
LINK:
In the first one of those links, why would Kishi draw those wrinkles/scars on one side but not the left?Maybe he was hinting at something?
Plus, Kishi can be very obvious sometimes, like how minato was obiously Naruto's dad. So, the same might hold the same for Tobi being obito.
Obito also fits the best thematically. For example: a running theme in this manga is for students to surpass their mentors. Thematically, it would make sense if Obito surpassed his. At least in terms of Space-time ninjutsu. Here are some examples of when Tobi's space-time ninjutsu was stated to be greater than Minato's:
LINK:
LINK:
And also, Obito was an exact paralel to Naruto. He had naruto's color scheme of orange and blue except reversed. Now, why would kishi make Obito so like naruto? Because an evil Obito would make a great antagonist and anti-theses to Naruto. think about it.
So, there's my take on Tobi being Obito. Hope you enjoyed.
I am grateful if you managed to read all this. (After all, if you can't read a group of paragraphs, God only knows how you'll read a simple chapter book)
Holy shiT, peoplesss, like, Tobi is TOTALLY Obito!!!
They haev the same hairstyle, and Tobi wears an orange mask that only shows one eye. OBIT'S FAVORIE COLOR WAS ORANGE!! THEN IF YOU SWITCH TOBI AROUND, IT TURNS INTO OBITO!!! AND VICE VERSA!!!! LIKE ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG!!!! LIKE OH MY GO, GUYS!!!! IT"S LIKE, NOOOO COWINCIDENCEE!!!!! OOOHH!!!! Lkike omgggg!!!!Okay, enough of that. THAT above^ is what people usually expect when they see a Tobi = Obito thread, so I'm going to give actually GOOD evidence that the masked man Tobi may in fact be, Uchiha Obito.
Firstly, the big "Tobi Reveal" is only exciting and climactic, if the readers AND the characters in the manga, recognize the man behind the mask. This will create a huge amount of shock value and will come to wonder how Uchiha Obito came to be Tobi. Since Tobi's identity has been hidden so long, it makes sense that we should be shocked by whoever it is. Plus, we, the audience, and the characters in the manga, should recognize him. This will create emotional trauma in the characters. Now at this point I guess you'll will be saying, "Well, Naruto won't recognize Obito!" True, however, there are no logical candidates to be Tobi that Naruto would recognize anyway, so that argument is invalid. Plus, I think it would work better if Naruto doesn't recognize Tobi's true identity, because this symbolizes Tobi and Naruto's clashing ideals, not whether Naruto recognizes him or not. As for who will recognize him, Kakashi, obviously, Lol.
Since Obito was originally an exact parallel to Naruto, an evil Obito would therefore make the best final villain(besides Sasuke)for Naruto. Plus, what would be the shock of it being someone we don't instantly recognize? I mean, if it IS Obito, recognition should be easy as half his face should be crushed and half should be fine.
A common argument against the Obito theory is "Why would Obito turn evil? He was good!" Well, my answer to that is, of course we don't know WHY he is doing this. If we did, that would be a give away of him being Tobi. His motivation will likely be revealed AFTER the reveal of him being Tobi.
Another thing: go to Naruto chapter 515 and go to page 3. it is a color page with the Konoha Eleven in war uniforms. Looking above Naruto is an enlarged picture of Tobi's head/mask. If you look carefully through the eyeholes, you will see that under the right side of his face(the side with his sharingan) there are wrinkles/scars and on the other side, no such wrinkles/scars are visible. Now why would Kishi show that deep into one of his mask holes, and not the other?
Don't believe me? Here's the link:
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Something else that's suspicious is that Kishi has never explained how Rin died or how Kakashi got his mangekyo, when he could have easily have had Kakashi explain how he got mangekyo when he first got it and tell how Rin died in the databook. We are missing a major flashback! And we will most likely get it eventually, but it has to occur at a time that makes sense and has something to do with what's happening around it. Tobi being Obito, would make the most sense to be what triggers this flashback.
And, in regards to Tobi's mask I find it strange how he picked orange of all colors, especially since very few characters in this manga wear orange. You'd think he would choose a more threatening color. It seems more like a personal preference if you ask me.
Here's one more thing. You know how Kishi very often incorporates Japanese mythology into his writing, right? Well, here's a cool little piece of information that I found on a site:
"--------------Mythology in Japan-----------------
First I'll present an overview of what some of you may know, as we will need it for further investigation, il'll keep it short, so bear with me:
Notes on Izanagi: As you know, the God(Kami) Izanagi created the three gods Amaterasu(Sun God), Susanoo(Fighting God) and Tsukoyomi (Moon God) by wiping dirt from his eye's and nose, which he got when traveling in the underworld yomi and witnessing its horror (Lost his wife).
Manga relevance: Izanagi created those three gods while experiencing something terrible, which correlates to Mangekyo sharingan activating when experiencing something horrible.
With MS you will then be able to use these three abilities.
Rinnegan: Rinnegan obviously comes from the term Rinne, which revolves the 6 forms of death and rebirth, the worlds constant struggle continues struggling with no escape but one: Enlightment!
You may only escape this terrifying struggle by finally understanding the world and all 6 paths, you will finally find absolute peace.
Which is called Nehan. So will we see some Nehan action in in the ending for this manga? Maybe.
Notes on Kamui: Kakashi has shown no ability to use these three techniques, but the ability Kamui, which relates to the term "god" itself.
Why? Possible answers are that he isn't an Uchiha or because he didn't get MS through horrible means, or something else entirely.
Notes on Tobi:He has not shown the ability to use Amaterasu and Co. Which means he hasn't got MS, but then how is he gonna accomplish the Moon's Eye Plan without Tsukuyomi? His reason for Sasuke?
Or does he have MS, but only the ability Kamui like Kakashi? Why? Is he not an Uchiha either or is there perhaps another reason?
Why do i tell you this? Because by examining old myths and symbols, we might predict the outcome of the manga or identities.
Did you know of the myth of the 8 headed snake Orochi that got killed by Susanoo? Or the myth of Jiraiya the toad hermit that was in love with Tsunade the slug princess?etc.
Now the interesting part:
In japanese prehistory there are a lot of myths and symbols, and i present one in particular.
Symbol behind one open, one closed eye:
Ancient figures are often depicted with a right eye open and a left one closed, it means "change", light and darkness, as the open eye means full moon and the closed eye means new moon.
The lunar cycle was the only long term means of observing time.So characters that have one eye symbolize change and time, darkness and light.
(Remember Kamui, space/time jutsu)
There are several Japanese figures with two faces pointing away from each other, one side depicting a right eye open, a left wounded eye with a diagonal cut, sometimes crying.
The other face either has no real face depicted with eyes at all, or simply a close left eye.
These one open, one closed eye figures all show spirals on the sides of their heads or on other body parts.
Now, i don't think i must point out the resemblance to Kakashi and his left vertical wounded eye, and to Tobi's spiral mask.
Tobi originally only showed one eye, of course this was intended symbolism of the Moon and in my opinion, the "change" in Obito. What was very interesting, was Tobi using Izanagi with his left eye, closing it forever.
Also the fact that they both show Space/time abilities, while both having one eye showing, is an amazing coincidence.
When remembering the MS ability Kamui, they might indeed share another plain of MS power than Madara, Itachi and Sasuke. A form of special MS, only achieved through shared grieve and by sharing the sharingan. Not by killing your best friend, but by something else.
Source:
----
Japanese prehistory: The material and spiritual culture of the Jomon period.
written by Nelly Naumann."
Now, here some more stuff that proves that Obito is probably the most logical and dramatic choice for Tobi:
Back in part 1, itachi told sasuke in a flashback that there was a third Sharingan user. Now, we all now that he was talking about Tobi, which means that Kishi would have had Tobi's identity set from the start. Now, who was already created by Kishi at that time, who is a plausible Tobi candidate? Obito. If Tobi is Kagami or one of those sons or anyone introduced way after him, then Kishi would have talked about them more. Obviously Kishi had to have Obito in his mind since we already knew kakashi had his sharingan. I think that Kishi intended Obito to be the main villain from the beginning. If it were someone like Kagami or the sons or something, why not mention them sooner or talk about them more often.
There's got to be a reason that gaiden and Tobi's first apearance are seperated by the Gaara rescue arc. And tobi and obito are both shown to be clumsy in their first apearances. Also, who the hell else besides Obito would be able to pull off a silly act like that? All these people can't explain why Tobi's space-time only comes from his right eye. And why his mask is suspiciously the same color as Tobi's mask, insisting a similar color preference.
Also, Tobi wore his akatsuki ring on his left hand, while obito held his Kunai with his left hand, this could mean that they're both lefties.
When kakashi was dying after his battle with pain, he was remembering Obito and thinking how he broke his promise and couldn't save Rin. This could be part of obito's motive. it could also be why kakashi said everyone close to him was dead. it's because Obito keeps killing them all to get revenge for him not protecting Rin. Combined with his hatred for war and being crushed by a huge boulder, I could see Madara being able to corrupt him and make him turn evil. Also, remember that sharingan glare he gave Kakashi? these things are called foreshadowing. Authors use it all the time.
LINK:
You must be registered for see links
LINK:
You must be registered for see links
LINK:
You must be registered for see links
And, here's another example of foreshadowing:
LINK:
You must be registered for see links
Why would kakashi randomly mention that he broke his promise to protect Rin? Kishi had to be hinting at something.
And we've already seen bits of the left side of his face in these panels and it doesn't apear to have any wrinkles/scars:
LINK:
You must be registered for see links
LINK:
You must be registered for see links
In the first one of those links, why would Kishi draw those wrinkles/scars on one side but not the left?Maybe he was hinting at something?
Plus, Kishi can be very obvious sometimes, like how minato was obiously Naruto's dad. So, the same might hold the same for Tobi being obito.
Obito also fits the best thematically. For example: a running theme in this manga is for students to surpass their mentors. Thematically, it would make sense if Obito surpassed his. At least in terms of Space-time ninjutsu. Here are some examples of when Tobi's space-time ninjutsu was stated to be greater than Minato's:
LINK:
You must be registered for see links
LINK:
You must be registered for see links
And also, Obito was an exact paralel to Naruto. He had naruto's color scheme of orange and blue except reversed. Now, why would kishi make Obito so like naruto? Because an evil Obito would make a great antagonist and anti-theses to Naruto. think about it.
So, there's my take on Tobi being Obito. Hope you enjoyed.
I am grateful if you managed to read all this. (After all, if you can't read a group of paragraphs, God only knows how you'll read a simple chapter book
)
Puppet Sage Mode
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Re: Omg guuuyyyzzzzz!!! Tobi is obito!!!!
Theres only one thing wrong with your theory....Obito DIED! Enough said your theory ends there
Theres only one thing wrong with your theory....Obito DIED! Enough said your theory ends there
Re: Omg guuuyyyzzzzz!!! Tobi is obito!!!!
You did a very good job with finding and typing all of your information up so well done on that. I understand how long it must of taken you to do this so good work, it was an interesting read.
You had some interesting and great points in this but I still believe Madara is Izuna. But yes, I think it's possible that Obito could be Tobi but then there are so many other Ninja's who could also be Tobi. We'll just have to wait patiently and see. It's very exciting!
You did a very good job with finding and typing all of your information up so well done on that. I understand how long it must of taken you to do this so good work, it was an interesting read.
You had some interesting and great points in this but I still believe Madara is Izuna. But yes, I think it's possible that Obito could be Tobi but then there are so many other Ninja's who could also be Tobi. We'll just have to wait patiently and see. It's very exciting!
Re: Omg guuuyyyzzzzz!!! Tobi is obito!!!!
nice theory, but i disagree.. When tobi attacked the village obito would have still been a child.. or at least a teenager and he would have already known about or how to counter his master minato... My best bet is that it is Izuna, it makes more since why he would go around saying he was his brother and how he knows certain things that happend in the past..
nice theory, but i disagree.. When tobi attacked the village obito would have still been a child.. or at least a teenager and he would have already known about or how to counter his master minato... My best bet is that it is Izuna, it makes more since why he would go around saying he was his brother and how he knows certain things that happend in the past..
Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-
And we have already gone over this whole "Danzou didn't use....so Danzou don't have" fiasco, and again I say Shisui could have walked around with a missing eye who are you to say that's not possible, alot of the things on NARUTO are not plausible in real life, but its not real life so anything goes. Also note that Ay's Father, The 4th Raikage, had a lightning scar on his chest, no one ever questioned him about it because of how strong he was, they feared him. In actuality he was embarrassed because he caused it himself. Shisui was feared by his own clan, he wasn't telling anyone how he lost it. But we know Danzou took it.
Kakashi & Obito were the same age give or take a few months. Obito "died" at 13, Kakashi became Jounin at 13, his 1st mission as a jounin was the 1 Obito "died" on. Itachi was 21 when he died. Sasuke is 16. Meaning Itachi is 5 years his elder. Kakashi is 30. The Kurama attack took place when Sasuke was an infant. Meaning Itachi was 6 or 7. Making Kakashi either 15 or 16. Your math is correct sir lol. But Obito is not the Tobi that attacked Konohagakure back then, hes the current Tobi. Many people are bringing up that famous 1-liner; "I'm No One" alot now. Has it ever crossed your mind that Tobi is saying hes not just one person?
And we have already gone over this whole "Danzou didn't use....so Danzou don't have" fiasco, and again I say Shisui could have walked around with a missing eye who are you to say that's not possible, alot of the things on NARUTO are not plausible in real life, but its not real life so anything goes. Also note that Ay's Father, The 4th Raikage, had a lightning scar on his chest, no one ever questioned him about it because of how strong he was, they feared him. In actuality he was embarrassed because he caused it himself. Shisui was feared by his own clan, he wasn't telling anyone how he lost it. But we know Danzou took it.
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TobiIsYourMom
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Re: Omg guuuyyyzzzzz!!! Tobi is obito!!!!
"No, just no." doesn't disprove anything. You should have at least attempted to give SOME evidence to disprove this. So, either you can't come up with anything, or you're too lazy to type it all out.
(WTF, did we suddenly revert to the stone age?!)Do you have ANY idea how many characters have been thought to be dead but weren't? take Kisame's "death" at the hands of Bee and A. That was pretty convincing, but it was later revealed that he switched out with a Zetsu clone at the last moment. Obito's death just wasn't convincing enough. Usually when people die in this manga, they accept their fate and die peacefully. Obito was a different case, however. His last words were "I wish I could have spent more time with everyone." He definitely wasn't accepting his death. which is a hint that he may still be alive.
Lol.
Thanks.You did a very good job with finding and typing all of your information up so well done on that. I understand how long it must of taken you to do this so good work, it was an interesting read.
You had some interesting and great points in this but I still believe Madara is Izuna. But yes, I think it's possible that Obito could be Tobi but then there are so many other Ninja's who could also be Tobi. We'll just have to wait patiently and see. It's very exciting!
He would have been around 15, and people grow at different rates, something that Kishi shows in his manga. Kakashi and Guy were very tall for their age during tobi's attack on Konoha, and Itachi was around 15 when he killed the uchiha clan and yet he looked as if he were a full grown man. Also, tobi saw through everything Minato did until he use FTG level 2, which Obito had probably never seen before. But, tobi could also be Izuna like you said.
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-
Well that's certain , that the Tobi who attacked the village 16 years ago = was not Obito.
Currently by all the manga facts = It has shown , that the Tobi who attacked 16 years ago = is the Tobi who is fighting Naruto , Kakashi , Bee , and Gai right now.
Both of them have the same voice in the Anime.
Also , Minato stated , that Tobi would come back in the future and it will bring dicaster to the world.
= Minato knowing that = Sealed half of the Kuramas chakra into Naruto = Hoping , that Naruto will defeat Tobi in the future.
Minato made an Analysis at that time on Tobis abilites = and Compared them to Uchiha Madara.
Tobi is and has been the same person the whole time = since hes abilites compare to the Uchiha Madara.
and there arent many ppl around who can Rival Uchiha Madaras abilities.
Also this Tobi has identical S/T abilites to the Tobi who is currently fighting Naruto.
Kuramas attack on the leaf = Tobi =4th Ninja war = Tobi
==== Common Sense. = They are the same Person.
Otherwise if they where not = Why did Kishi have to make Minato say = that this masked man will be back some day? = And now he's back.
Bring the strings together...
:scorps:
Well that's certain , that the Tobi who attacked the village 16 years ago = was not Obito.
Currently by all the manga facts = It has shown , that the Tobi who attacked 16 years ago = is the Tobi who is fighting Naruto , Kakashi , Bee , and Gai right now.
Both of them have the same voice in the Anime.
Also , Minato stated , that Tobi would come back in the future and it will bring dicaster to the world.
= Minato knowing that = Sealed half of the Kuramas chakra into Naruto = Hoping , that Naruto will defeat Tobi in the future.
Minato made an Analysis at that time on Tobis abilites = and Compared them to Uchiha Madara.
Tobi is and has been the same person the whole time = since hes abilites compare to the Uchiha Madara.
and there arent many ppl around who can Rival Uchiha Madaras abilities.
Also this Tobi has identical S/T abilites to the Tobi who is currently fighting Naruto.
Kuramas attack on the leaf = Tobi =4th Ninja war = Tobi
==== Common Sense. = They are the same Person.
Otherwise if they where not = Why did Kishi have to make Minato say = that this masked man will be back some day? = And now he's back.
Bring the strings together...
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