[Discussion] 4 things that are labeled as wrong, but arent.

[MidKnight]

You kidding me? My opinion is that fat people are gross, I agree on the rest.

Look at humans 2000 years ago, almost no one was fat. We are not naturally meant to be that way and it is the result of the take over of 'fast food'.

So being fat is technically not ok according to nature, but I guess fat people can have nice personalities :shrug:

This first sentence you said about us 2000 years ago is true. However, the evolution of man kind is inevitable. As we evolve, lifestyles change as lifestyles change we as human beings change. You say people arent meant to be fat because we wernt fat 2000 years ago. If thats the case then we arent supposed to be a modernized species/civilization and we should still be savages right? And you say that people arent supposed to be fat according to nature right? Then please explain those people that are fat because of genetics, or fat because of health disorders U_U.

 

[TheArtisticRapture]

This first sentence you said about us 2000 years ago is true. However, the evolution of man kind is inevitable. As we evolve, lifestyles change as lifestyles change we as human beings change. You say people arent meant to be fat because we wernt fat 2000 years ago. If thats the case then we arent supposed to be a modernized species/civilization and we should still be savages right? And you say that people arent supposed to be fat according to nature right? Then please explain those people that are fat because of genetics, or fat because of health disorders U_U.

Health disorders created by fat parents/overeating when younger. Look im not denying that there are not legitimate reasons people are fat, but it is technically wrong to be fat. You need to realise that all humans have the potential, but it is up to the person him/herself to do something about it. The fact is, humans are meant to be competitive, to work for their meals, for only the fittest to survive. This world has made it too easy for fat people to be considered as acceptable and a benefit to society, while in reality, if the modern world didnt allow it, these people would be long gone.

 

[MidKnight]

Health disorders created by fat parents/overeating when younger. Look im not denying that there are not legitimate reasons people are fat, but it is technically wrong to be fat. You need to realise that all humans have the potential, but it is up to the person him/herself to do something about it. The fact is, humans are meant to be competitive, to work for their meals, for only the fittest to survive. This world has made it too easy for fat people to be considered as acceptable and a benefit to society, while in reality, if the modern world didnt allow it, these people would be long gone.

Yes, you are. You said that fast food resturants had to do with making people fat. Where there fat people 200 years ago? Yes, there were tons of them. Where there McDonalds or Wendys,etc 200 years ago. The answer is No. Your Opinion is that fat people are gross and you are using the modern world to back up your statement. We are modern because we evolve through time. Ill say this again, as we evolve, our lifesyles evolve with us. Just because you dont like fat people, dont mean that fat people are gross or shouldnt exist. Who the hell do you think you are to pass judgement on another human being which you know nothing about judging them based soley on their apperance? Its people like you which are the reason society is like it is today. Whats gross is your way of thinking and the way you judge people, thats whats disscusting.

 

[TheArtisticRapture]

Yes, you are. You said that fast food resturants had to do with making people fat. Where there fat people 200 years ago? Yes, there were tons of them. Where there McDonalds or Wendys,etc 200 years ago. The answer is No. Your Opinion is that fat people are gross and you are using the modern world to back up your statement. We are modern because we evolve through time. Ill say this again, as we evolve, our lifesyles evolve with us. Just because you dont like fat people, dont mean that fat people are gross or shouldnt exist. Who the hell do you think you are to pass judgement on another human being which you know nothing about judging them based soley on their apperance? Its people like you which are the reason society is like it is today. Whats gross is your way of thinking and the way you judge people, thats whats discusting.

I dont understand your first sentences :flaw: I admitted there were reasons people were fat, please learn to read properly. And of course there were fat people 200 years ago, they were called the nobles/the royals etc :sy: and the reason they were fat is because they could afford to over indulge, while these days it is cheap as chips (no pun intended) to get a fatty meal as fast as possible.Yes we evolve, but we are not designed to be fat, naturally we are competetive and the weak die off, I dont think you understand my point that fat people these days technically should be dead in an ideal society.

Yes I think that fat people shouldnt exist, people should have to work hard for what they get, living day to day, while the weak who cannot support themselves should die off, this is what I mean by fat people being gross. They are the low point of the human existance (excluding murderers etc) and society judges them rightly, as they have no proper benefit to the greater good of everyone, it is only instinct to want to cast off the weakest of the group, and if shit ever did hit the fan ( big disasters, food shortages) the fat people would be the first to be eliminated as they are just a burden to the greater good of society as a whole.

 

[MidKnight]

I dont understand your first sentences :flaw: I admitted there were reasons people were fat, please learn to read properly. And of course there were fat people 200 years ago, they were called the nobles/the royals etc :sy: and the reason they were fat is because they could afford to over indulge, while these days it is cheap as chips (no pun intended) to get a fatty meal as fast as possible.Yes we evolve, but we are not designed to be fat, naturally we are competetive and the weak die off, I dont think you understand my point that fat people these days technically should be dead in an ideal society.

Yes I think that fat people shouldnt exist, people should have to work hard for what they get, living day to day, while the weak who cannot support themselves should die off, this is what I mean by fat people being gross. They are the low point of the human existance (excluding murderers etc) and society judges them rightly, as they have no proper benefit to the greater good of everyone, it is only instinct to want to cast off the weakest of the group, and if shit ever did hit the fan ( big disasters, food shortages) the fat people would be the first to be eliminated as they are just a burden to the greater good of society as a whole.

You poor fella U_U . What does being fat have to do with working hard for what you've got? Are you just stupid, or are you trolling? You cant be serious with the crap you just said. How do you think fat people get fat? Dont they have to buy the food to eat in order to get fat? :sy: And you've just exposed your true colors In this thread as well U_U. I see I am arguring with someone who is insecure, & confused, & judgemental. I feel sorry for people like you.

 

[Finn]

You poor fella U_U . What does being fat have to do with working hard for what you've got? Are you just stupid, or are you trolling? You cant be serious with the crap you just said. How do you think fat people get fat? Dont they have to buy the food to eat in order to get fat? :sy: And you've just exposed your true colors In this thread as well U_U. I see I am arguring with someone who is insecure, & confused, & judgemental. I feel sorry for people like you.

I have to agree with artistic here, she is obviously talking about the really fat people not the normal fat ones.

 

[MidKnight]

Sorry, i know that's even more sensible... and gets good threads closed.
It's a shame if you ask me.

I know what you mean, but the thing is, you can't do math without numbers.
You can't talk about cultural things without cultural things. And R word is a cultural thing.

I don't know how old you are, but 15y ago this was a problem, 50y ago, 100y ago.

The thing is, our current culture (i'm talking about the Western, as a European) looks at the same issues we had years ago in a diferent perspective.. well, some of us, not all of course.

And that is evolution, namely: cultural and social.

Speaking for myself: about selfishness, for instance. I can't agree with that kind of behaviour, but i understand why some ppl do it. I do it myself sometimes.

That's what being human means to me. Its like we have all this problems to solve. But i don't think we are supposed to get an answear for everyone but for ourselfs.

Then we must show OUR answear to others and see if they share the same line of thought.
And keep getting better answears...

Sometimes we get one more "evil" person, others a "good" one.
(I rather call 'em ignorant and knowing, hence the "")

Yup, I couldnt of said it better. And +rep btw.

 

[JojocIaw]

I agree with the bit about homosexuality. I despise people who label them as being "wrong". I wonder if the tables were flipped would they think the same? If Heterosexuality was the wrong thing to do would they think the same? No. Homosexuality is not wrong but rather the people who are tricked into thinking it is wrong just because some fail written book tells them so. Tolerance is the key to getting to where we need to be as a society. It's funny though that because they don't know anything about it and don't even bother trying to understanding it that it gives them the right to label it as wrong. If they can believe a book which makes no sense why not believe when a real person tells you face to face?

/rant



+rep to the OP btw for nice thread and backing up your points.

 

[MidKnight]

I agree with the bit about homosexuality. I despise people who label them as being "wrong". I wonder if the tables were flipped would they think the same? If Heterosexuality was the wrong thing to do would they think the same? No. Homosexuality is not wrong but rather the people who are tricked into thinking it is wrong just because some fail written book tells them so. Tolerance is the key to getting to where we need to be as a society. It's funny though that because they don't know anything about it and don't even bother trying to understanding it that it gives them the right to label it as wrong. If they can believe a book which makes no sense why not believe when a real person tells you face to face?

/rant



+rep to the OP btw for nice thread and backing up your points.

Thanks, and +rep to you too for also proving another point

 

[obscoral]

i have only read bold parts

and i simply agree

 

[Jack Spicer]

I agree 100%

I really don't care for selfishness or pervy stuff, but I really support numbers 3 & 4. People hate people for their appearances and preferences. Both that do not affect your life at all. That's cold, you know.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

We live In a world of labels. Everything has a lable and everthing falls into a category. But who are we to contradict another human being, when we are all In the same "boat" living In this harsh reality?

1. Selfishness: This is a natural instinct. The opposite of selfishness, which is selflessness, is something that we must become aware of through instinct & knowledge & continiue to develope as an act or moral value. Therefore it is not instinct (natural). For example, When you are hungry. The first thought that appears In your head isnt "Is someone hungry?" or "I wonder how many people are hungry?" No. The first thought that appears In your head is "I am hungry" or "Man, I'm starving" Your concern for someone elses hunger such as "Are you hungry?" or "I'm starving, what about you?" comes secondary to your own desire, therfore it is not instinct. This is selfishness, on a small scale, but it is still selfishness. Being selfish is inevitable, because human beings are natrually selfish. How can instinct be labeled as wrong? It cant. I dont think it is selfishness itself that we are aware of, but rather the guilt of being selfish that bothers us.

2.A strong desire for lust (being a "pervert"):An extreamly strong *** drive, or strong desire for lust, is something that has been labeled by all areas of society. Religion,culture,gender, etc. It has been labeled from being called a sin, being "perverted" or "a pervert" etc,etc. Humans are natrually sexually oriented creatures. EVERY human being (Excluding children) has experieced a desire for lust in some kind of way. Weither it was a thought, a reaction, or an actual act of sexuality. However, there are some of us who have a stonger desire for this than other human beings. Those of us who have more than just "a stong *** drive" have been labeled for something that we natrually feel. We are either called a pervert, a wh***, etc. How is this wrong? Is there a limit on the amount of sexual desire that a human being can have before he or she falls into a category? You can measure,pounds & inches,etc. But you cannot measure the emotion or desire of another human being. Once again, I feel that guilt plays a huge role In people who are like this an feel ashamed. Why should you feel guilt from something that is human nature? Your human nature.

3.Homosexuality: This is also something that has been highly looked down upon. Here is something that most people dont realize about gays. Gays do not wake up one day and say "I think I want to be gay" or "From now own, I am gay". Is it possible that a scenario like this can occurr and one can put this into a form of practice? Yes, it is. But it would be false. We cannot change what we are attracted to at will. A straight man cannot wake up one day & say "Today I'm going to be attracted to men." because he is straight, if he does so other wise that would change his sexual preference. There are only two things 1.You must become AWARE that you are gay, 2.You must ACCEPT that you are gay. Gays are instinctively attracted to the same gender, attaction is a natural human instinct. When someone says "I think I'm gay" or "I might be turning gay" they are becoming aware of something that they have been all along. They just hadnt discovered it instictively or became aware of it. When someone finally admits that they are gay, they are accepting their sexual preference which is what they are attracted to. How the hell is it wrong to be natrually attacted to something? Does that make any sense at all? I dont think it does.

4.Being Fat (overweight):Being fat is also something that is becomming more looked down upon as we progress. There is something that we all have as human beings, and that is free will. WE are In controll of our bodies. If we choose to eat a certain way or look a certain way, we have every right to do so as human beings. Some people are fat because of genetics, some are fat because of disorders, and some just became fat of their own free will. But how is this neccesarily wrong? There is pleasure In taste, even those who just "eat to live, not live to eat" find some amount of pleasure (non-sexual ofc) from taste and the satisfaction of being full. The pleasure of taste, and the satisfaction of being full is a natrual instinct, is there a limit on the amount of satisfaction that we can feel from food? And then people always play the "health risk card". EVERYONE is at risk of health problems. An athelete is at risk of permanantly damaging their bodies, or possibly obtaining a lethal injury. Even those who just "work out to stay healty" are at risk of harming themselve. Also being skinny does not make you healty. Skinny people can develope eating disorders to stay skinny, skinny people are also at risk of heart disease and other health issues as fat people are. Just because we feel a certain way about how something should look, or looks, we do not have the right to pass judgement on that individual. We are ALL human beings. And we can look any damn way we please because that is our natrual given right.

What do you think about these things? What do YOU think is right & wrong? If so then WHY? Also if there is something else that is labeled as wrong, but you think is right,please feel free to bring it up U_U.

i wish i would have seen this thread sooner...

this will turn into a good debate.

but before i start........ what is your point? please simply for me.. i read it all but i want to be clear.

are you basically saying that because these things are part of our nature or part of peoples nature that they shouldnt have a negative connotation?

are you saying that selfishness, perversion, homosexuality and being fat shouldnt be negative? are you saying they are not wrong? are you saying they are not morally wrong?

are you saying that because we feel something that its ok to do it? like if we care about ourselves and its in our nature then its ok. or if we like boobs and butts and think about it then being a pervert is ok? if a man likes another man or woman likes another woman its ok because its in their nature and wanting? and if we like to eat and like to eat alot and become fat as a result thats ok?

is that what your getting at?

 

[Prime Rib]

We live In a world of labels. Everything has a lable and everthing falls into a category. But who are we to contradict another human being, when we are all In the same "boat" living In this harsh reality?

1. Selfishness: This is a natural instinct. The opposite of selfishness, which is selflessness, is something that we must become aware of through instinct & knowledge & continiue to develope as an act or moral value. Therefore it is not instinct (natural). For example, When you are hungry. The first thought that appears In your head isnt "Is someone hungry?" or "I wonder how many people are hungry?" No. The first thought that appears In your head is "I am hungry" or "Man, I'm starving" Your concern for someone elses hunger such as "Are you hungry?" or "I'm starving, what about you?" comes secondary to your own desire, therfore it is not instinct. This is selfishness, on a small scale, but it is still selfishness. Being selfish is inevitable, because human beings are natrually selfish. How can instinct be labeled as wrong? It cant. I dont think it is selfishness itself that we are aware of, but rather the guilt of being selfish that bothers us.

2.A strong desire for lust (being a "pervert"):An extreamly strong *** drive, or strong desire for lust, is something that has been labeled by all areas of society. Religion,culture,gender, etc. It has been labeled from being called a sin, being "perverted" or "a pervert" etc,etc. Humans are natrually sexually oriented creatures. EVERY human being (Excluding children) has experieced a desire for lust in some kind of way. Weither it was a thought, a reaction, or an actual act of sexuality. However, there are some of us who have a stonger desire for this than other human beings. Those of us who have more than just "a stong *** drive" have been labeled for something that we natrually feel. We are either called a pervert, a wh***, etc. How is this wrong? Is there a limit on the amount of sexual desire that a human being can have before he or she falls into a category? You can measure,pounds & inches,etc. But you cannot measure the emotion or desire of another human being. Once again, I feel that guilt plays a huge role In people who are like this an feel ashamed. Why should you feel guilt from something that is human nature? Your human nature.

3.Homosexuality: This is also something that has been highly looked down upon. Here is something that most people dont realize about gays. Gays do not wake up one day and say "I think I want to be gay" or "From now own, I am gay". Is it possible that a scenario like this can occurr and one can put this into a form of practice? Yes, it is. But it would be false. We cannot change what we are attracted to at will. A straight man cannot wake up one day & say "Today I'm going to be attracted to men." because he is straight, if he does so other wise that would change his sexual preference. There are only two things 1.You must become AWARE that you are gay, 2.You must ACCEPT that you are gay. Gays are instinctively attracted to the same gender, attaction is a natural human instinct. When someone says "I think I'm gay" or "I might be turning gay" they are becoming aware of something that they have been all along. They just hadnt discovered it instictively or became aware of it. When someone finally admits that they are gay, they are accepting their sexual preference which is what they are attracted to. How the hell is it wrong to be natrually attacted to something? Does that make any sense at all? I dont think it does.

4.Being Fat (overweight):Being fat is also something that is becomming more looked down upon as we progress. There is something that we all have as human beings, and that is free will. WE are In controll of our bodies. If we choose to eat a certain way or look a certain way, we have every right to do so as human beings. Some people are fat because of genetics, some are fat because of disorders, and some just became fat of their own free will. But how is this neccesarily wrong? There is pleasure In taste, even those who just "eat to live, not live to eat" find some amount of pleasure (non-sexual ofc) from taste and the satisfaction of being full. The pleasure of taste, and the satisfaction of being full is a natrual instinct, is there a limit on the amount of satisfaction that we can feel from food? And then people always play the "health risk card". EVERYONE is at risk of health problems. An athelete is at risk of permanantly damaging their bodies, or possibly obtaining a lethal injury. Even those who just "work out to stay healty" are at risk of harming themselve. Also being skinny does not make you healty. Skinny people can develope eating disorders to stay skinny, skinny people are also at risk of heart disease and other health issues as fat people are. Just because we feel a certain way about how something should look, or looks, we do not have the right to pass judgement on that individual. We are ALL human beings. And we can look any damn way we please because that is our natrual given right.

What do you think about these things? What do YOU think is right & wrong? If so then WHY? Also if there is something else that is labeled as wrong, but you think is right,please feel free to bring it up U_U.

you are very wrong about most of that.

close the thread troll

 

[Zythrone]

Oh god.

You have all of my available agree. All of it.

 

[MidKnight]

i wish i would have seen this thread sooner...

this will turn into a good debate.

but before i start........ what is your point? please simply for me.. i read it all but i want to be clear.

are you basically saying that because these things are part of our nature or part of peoples nature that they shouldnt have a negative connotation?

are you saying that selfishness, perversion, homosexuality and being fat shouldnt be negative? are you saying they are not wrong? are you saying they are not morally wrong?

are you saying that because we feel something that its ok to do it? like if we care about ourselves and its in our nature then its ok. or if we like boobs and butts and think about it then being a pervert is ok? if a man likes another man or woman likes another woman its ok because its in their nature and wanting? and if we like to eat and like to eat alot and become fat as a result thats ok?

is that what your getting at?

Well, the point of my post is just to see everyones point of views & opinions on the things I wrote about. And for them to explain WHY they disagree, if they disagree in the first place. Im sure you read the post for yourself, lol. Everything I agree with on these topics are written In my post. What do you think about what I wrote? Its obvious you think it is wrong, but please explain why you think it is wrong. You always manage to ask me questions, but you never answer mine.

 

[Pavoneo]

I agree 100% on everything you said. You seem to understand humans quite well. You could also argue that fetishes shouldn't be frowned upon. Fetishes are things that are just per say higher up on the bar of things that sexually drive us. It's not our pick and choose of what fetish we want. Some people like having *** with dead corpses rather than have *** with a women. Is it their fault? No. They can't unconsciously turn them self off to a stimuli. Yet society frowns upon it which is stupid in my opinion.

 

[MidKnight]

I agree 100% on everything you said. You seem to understand humans quite well. You could also argue that fetishes shouldn't be frowned upon. Fetishes are things that are just per say higher up on the bar of things that sexually drive us. It's not our pick and choose of what fetish we want. Some people like having *** with dead corpses rather than have *** with a women. Is it their fault? No. They can't unconsciously turn them self off to a stimuli. Yet society frowns upon it which is stupid in my opinion.

Dude, +rep. I couldnt of said it any better. And thanks for bringing some more depth into the topic.

Oh god.

You have all of my available agree. All of it.

Thank you so much ^__^

I agree 100%

I really don't care for selfishness or pervy stuff, but I really support numbers 3 & 4. People hate people for their appearances and preferences. Both that do not affect your life at all. That's cold, you know.

Yes it is. Its really cold and it is wrong. Im glad we agree on something.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Well, the point of my post is just to see everyones point of views & opinions on the things I wrote about. And for them to explain WHY they disagree, if they disagree in the first place. Im sure you read the post for yourself, lol. Everything I agree with on these topics are written In my post. What do you think about what I wrote? Its obvious you think it is wrong, but please explain why you think it is wrong. You always manage to ask me questions, but you never answer mine.

the thing is i did not get the point.

i asked you questions so i could be clear about where you stand. i do not have an opinion about anything you said until i am clear on what you said. if i was to speak now on what you said im pretty sure i would get alot of things twisted up, there would be alot of misconceptions on my part and you would just tell me i didnt understand what you wrote and that i got things mixed up.

i dont want to have any confusions and you didnt answer any of my questions... not one... i still dont understand what you were getting at.

let me ask again:

"are you basically saying that because these things are part of our nature or part of peoples nature that they shouldnt have a negative connotation?

are you saying that selfishness, perversion, homosexuality and being fat shouldnt be negative? are you saying they are not wrong? are you saying they are not morally wrong?

are you saying that because we feel something that its ok to do it? like if we care about ourselves and its in our nature then its ok. or if we like boobs and butts and think about it then being a pervert is ok? if a man likes another man or woman likes another woman its ok because its in their nature and wanting? and if we like to eat and like to eat alot and become fat as a result thats ok?"

 

[MidKnight]

the thing is i did not get the point.

i asked you questions so i could be clear about where you stand. i do not have an opinion about anything you said until i am clear on what you said. if i was to speak now on what you said im pretty sure i would get alot of things twisted up, there would be alot of misconceptions on my part and you would just tell me i didnt understand what you wrote and that i got things mixed up.

i dont want to have any confusions and you didnt answer any of my questions... not one... i still dont understand what you were getting at.

let me ask again:

"are you basically saying that because these things are part of our nature or part of peoples nature that they shouldnt have a negative connotation?

are you saying that selfishness, perversion, homosexuality and being fat shouldnt be negative? are you saying they are not wrong? are you saying they are not morally wrong?

are you saying that because we feel something that its ok to do it? like if we care about ourselves and its in our nature then its ok. or if we like boobs and butts and think about it then being a pervert is ok? if a man likes another man or woman likes another woman its ok because its in their nature and wanting? and if we like to eat and like to eat alot and become fat as a result thats ok?"

*sigh U_U. Why do you make simple things so complex? Everything you just asked me, again U_U in terms of where I stand on these things can be answered simply just by reading my post. Your trying to turn a simple discussion into a complicated debate. This thread is about opinions & point of views. All you have to do, is read the 4 things I posted about and if you disagree on one and/or all of them, then simply explain WHY you disagree in the first place. Everytime I ask you something, you never answer. You only reply with another question instead of just providing a simple answer.

 

[Jonathon]

you are very wrong about most of that.

close the thread troll

Yet you don't explain why the OP is wrong.... Please, don't come on a thread if you're not going to use your head buddy!


Otherwise, I completely agree with you, OP.