[Discussion] 4 things that are labeled as wrong, but arent.

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We live In a world of labels. Everything has a lable and everthing falls into a category. But who are we to contradict another human being, when we are all In the same "boat" living In this harsh reality?

1. Selfishness: This is a natural instinct. The opposite of selfishness, which is selflessness, is something that we must become aware of through instinct & knowledge & continiue to develope as an act or moral value. Therefore it is not instinct (natural). For example, When you are hungry. The first thought that appears In your head isnt "Is someone hungry?" or "I wonder how many people are hungry?" No. The first thought that appears In your head is "I am hungry" or "Man, I'm starving" Your concern for someone elses hunger such as "Are you hungry?" or "I'm starving, what about you?" comes secondary to your own desire, therfore it is not instinct. This is selfishness, on a small scale, but it is still selfishness. Being selfish is inevitable, because human beings are natrually selfish. How can instinct be labeled as wrong? It cant. I dont think it is selfishness itself that we are aware of, but rather the guilt of being selfish that bothers us.

2.A strong desire for lust (being a "pervert"):An extreamly strong *** drive, or strong desire for lust, is something that has been labeled by all areas of society. Religion,culture,gender, etc. It has been labeled from being called a sin, being "perverted" or "a pervert" etc,etc. Humans are natrually sexually oriented creatures. EVERY human being (Excluding children) has experieced a desire for lust in some kind of way. Weither it was a thought, a reaction, or an actual act of sexuality. However, there are some of us who have a stonger desire for this than other human beings. Those of us who have more than just "a stong *** drive" have been labeled for something that we natrually feel. We are either called a pervert, a wh***, etc. How is this wrong? Is there a limit on the amount of sexual desire that a human being can have before he or she falls into a category? You can measure,pounds & inches,etc. But you cannot measure the emotion or desire of another human being. Once again, I feel that guilt plays a huge role In people who are like this an feel ashamed. Why should you feel guilt from something that is human nature? Your human nature.

3.Homosexuality: This is also something that has been highly looked down upon. Here is something that most people dont realize about gays. Gays do not wake up one day and say "I think I want to be gay" or "From now own, I am gay". Is it possible that a scenario like this can occurr and one can put this into a form of practice? Yes, it is. But it would be false. We cannot change what we are attracted to at will. A straight man cannot wake up one day & say "Today I'm going to be attracted to men." because he is straight, if he does so other wise that would change his sexual preference. There are only two things 1.You must become AWARE that you are gay, 2.You must ACCEPT that you are gay. Gays are instinctively attracted to the same gender, attaction is a natural human instinct. When someone says "I think I'm gay" or "I might be turning gay" they are becoming aware of something that they have been all along. They just hadnt discovered it instictively or became aware of it. When someone finally admits that they are gay, they are accepting their sexual preference which is what they are attracted to. How the hell is it wrong to be natrually attacted to something? Does that make any sense at all? I dont think it does.

4.Being Fat (overweight):Being fat is also something that is becomming more looked down upon as we progress. There is something that we all have as human beings, and that is free will. WE are In controll of our bodies. If we choose to eat a certain way or look a certain way, we have every right to do so as human beings. Some people are fat because of genetics, some are fat because of disorders, and some just became fat of their own free will. But how is this neccesarily wrong? There is pleasure In taste, even those who just "eat to live, not live to eat" find some amount of pleasure (non-sexual ofc) from taste and the satisfaction of being full. The pleasure of taste, and the satisfaction of being full is a natrual instinct, is there a limit on the amount of satisfaction that we can feel from food? And then people always play the "health risk card". EVERYONE is at risk of health problems. An athelete is at risk of permanantly damaging their bodies, or possibly obtaining a lethal injury. Even those who just "work out to stay healty" are at risk of harming themselve. Also being skinny does not make you healty. Skinny people can develope eating disorders to stay skinny, skinny people are also at risk of heart disease and other health issues as fat people are. Just because we feel a certain way about how something should look, or looks, we do not have the right to pass judgement on that individual. We are ALL human beings. And we can look any damn way we please because that is our natrual given right.

What do you think about these things? What do YOU think is right & wrong? If so then WHY? Also if there is something else that is labeled as wrong, but you think is right,please feel free to bring it up U_U.
 

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I could read all because i'm at work, but you are somewhat right.

Indeed we live in a world of labels.

For me the thing is: it's not a matter of right or wrong per se, but the process of gaining the consciousness.

For instance, in african mythology there is no right or wrong.
The western one has that due to the Catholic church.
Romans were very promiscuous... but after the C Church that changed.

So yeah, it's a cultural thing...

Gotta go.... yohoho
 

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I agree with everything
 

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I agree with everything

Thanks, Im glad someone shares my point of view.
I could read all because i'm at work, but you are somewhat right.

Indeed we live in a world of labels.

For me the thing is: it's not a matter of right or wrong per se, but the process of gaining the consciousness.

For instance, in african mythology there is no right or wrong.
The western one has that due to the Catholic church.
Romans were very promiscuous... but after the C Church that changed.

So yeah, it's a cultural thing...

Gotta go.... yohoho

Yup, your right. But try to leave the R word out of it next time lol. I dont want the thread to get closed. -__-
 
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You cant just help it! if you are one of them you feel its OK
but if you arent one of them then you feel its wrong!
 

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I agree with all but selfishness is a different issue. Some pple can be so selfish that it turns to wickedness and greedyness. I don't see why pple should have more than enough of something and not be willing to allow some for pple that need it more than them :shrug:
 

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I agree with all but selfishness is a different issue. Some pple can be so selfish that it turns to wickedness and greedyness. I don't see why pple should have more than enough of something and not be willing to allow some for pple that need it more than them :shrug:

You are right about selfishness being a different issue. But are we obligated not to be selfish? Even if you do help dozens, even hundreds of people, there are thousands and thousands more that need help more than the people you just helped or were caring to. If you help everyone that is in need, you will eventually contradict yourself.
 

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I agree with everything you have stated. Good job, kid.
 

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1. Agree, its just the way some people act when they have a lot that is wrong, not being selfish itself.
2. Completely agree as long as people aren't spread diseases around then what is wrong with it.
3. Agree, but you say what is wrong with being naturally attracted to something, surely there must be a line where to draw this. What if you were attracted to sheep??
4. Agree but I think the main problem is that people think "oh they are fat when people are starving"??

There are so many other things similar in this world though.
Why is Polygamy illegal? Not many animals stay faithful to one partner?
Why are some drugs (the ones that don't cause a problem to the community) illegal? It is your body?

I could go on but it is effort. Good thread +rep!
 

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The 3 first are definitely WRONG to whoever believes in God, ( god created man and woman to love each other and be one with each other ) what good comes from being a homosexual... only diseases and sick minds ( IMO ).... let it be a Muslim or a christian... or even anyone who believes in religion in general or in a spirit like Budha or others for those people the points you stated are considered Sins.. how can those not be Wrong.... you're explanation lacks logic and is one sided. ( that's how I look at it, and that's my opinion ).

The 4th one is simply stupid to think it's wrong, people who have a problem with one being fat are the true disgusting, racist people! ( this is also how I look at it, and My opinion ).

***But the main point is, We all look at the world differently so these kind of threads are useless ( no offend to the maker ), it's good to share what you think, but it's wrong to say that the society is wrong for each having his own opinion and point of view.
 
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The 3 first are definitely WRONG to whoever believes in God, ( god created man and woman to love each other and be one with each other ) what good comes from being a homosexual... only diseases and sick minds ( IMO ).... let it be a Muslim or a christian... or even anyone who believes in religion in general or in a spirit like Budha or others for those people the points you stated are considered Sins.. how can those not be Wrong.... you're explanation lacks logic and is one sided. ( that's how I look at it, and that's my opinion ).

The 4th one is simply stupid to think it's wrong, people who have a problem with one being fat are the true disgusting, racist people! ( this is also how I look at it, and My opinion ).

***But the main point is, We all look at the world differently so these kind of threads are useless ( no offend to the maker ), it's good to share what you think, but it's wrong to say that the society is wrong for each having his own opinion and point of view.

Well of course its opinion because at the end of the day, thats all it is. Just our opinions on what we think is right or wrong. Its just that certain cultures and other branches of society as a whole are so arrogant, that they believe their opinions and personal point of views to be an actual fact. When it isnt a fact at all, just opinion. And these certain areas of society that I just mentioned, just happen to be the majority. And the majority outrule the few. The Majority being the ones that see these things as wrong, the few being the ones who dont believe these things are wrong.
 

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Well of course its opinion because at the end of the day, thats all it is. Just our opinions on what we think is right or wrong. Its just that certain cultures and other branches of society as a whole are so arrogant, that they believe their opinions and personal point of views to be an actual fact. When it isnt a fact at all, just opinion. And these certain areas of society that I just mentioned, just happen to be the majority. And the majority outrule the few. The Majority being the ones that see these things as wrong, the few being the ones who dont believe these things are wrong.

I would have to agree on what you said in this comment U_U , in this world Majority decides what's right and wrong and base facts on them, but as you and I said... in the end it's all opinions, the people who share the most opinions state them as facts. And that's my definition of ignorant, we all live with what we believe is right or wrong.

Why is it a Sing in the bible ( for anyone who's wondering ), it's stated by God that a women have to stay Virgins until they get married to a man they love and willing to stay with forever, now if Teens had ***, wouldn't the girl loose her Virginity which now is exactly the Opposite of what God wants.

Allow me to give you an example, in the U.S *** between Teenagers is allowed, yet in My country, it's Sin and highly forbidden both in the Quran and the Bible, my point is as you said, majority makes right and wrong, ATM we can't change that.
 
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I would have to agree on what you said in this comment U_U , in this world Majority decides what's right and wrong and base facts on them, but as you and I said... in the end it's all opinions, the people who share the most opinions state them as facts. And that's my definition of ignorant, we all live with what we believe is right or wrong.

Why is it a Sing in the bible ( for anyone who's wondering ), it's stated by God that a women have to stay Virgins until they get married to a man they love and willing to stay with forever, now if Teens had ***, wouldn't the girl loose her Virginity which now is exactly the Opposite of what God wants.

Allow me to give you an example, in the U.S *** between Teenagers is allowed, yet in My country, it's Sin and highly forbidden both in the Quran and the Bible, my point is as you said, majority makes right and wrong, ATM we can't change that.

Yup your right, and thats the sad part about it. Is that the majority as we just talked in our quotes about will only increase and grow larger U_U . And thats the real problem. And +rep for the other things you said as well.
 

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Yup, your right. But try to leave the R word out of it next time lol. I dont want the thread to get closed. -__-

Sorry, i know that's even more sensible... and gets good threads closed.
It's a shame if you ask me.

I know what you mean, but the thing is, you can't do math without numbers.
You can't talk about cultural things without cultural things. And R word is a cultural thing.

I don't know how old you are, but 15y ago this was a problem, 50y ago, 100y ago.

The thing is, our current culture (i'm talking about the Western, as a European) looks at the same issues we had years ago in a diferent perspective.. well, some of us, not all of course.

And that is evolution, namely: cultural and social.

Speaking for myself: about selfishness, for instance. I can't agree with that kind of behaviour, but i understand why some ppl do it. I do it myself sometimes.

That's what being human means to me. Its like we have all this problems to solve. But i don't think we are supposed to get an answear for everyone but for ourselfs.

Then we must show OUR answear to others and see if they share the same line of thought.
And keep getting better answears...

Sometimes we get one more "evil" person, others a "good" one.
(I rather call 'em ignorant and knowing, hence the "")
 
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:sy: I hate the fact that trolls always find a way to pollute my threads.

You kidding me? My opinion is that fat people are gross, I agree on the rest.

Look at humans 2000 years ago, almost no one was fat. We are not naturally meant to be that way and it is the result of the take over of 'fast food'.

So being fat is technically not ok according to nature, but I guess fat people can have nice personalities :shrug:
 
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