Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[Ryuu..]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

i normally agree with you but i disagree with this time a man who beat kurama and madara at the same time is in a league of his own


iruka never saw hashirama fight

the whole fairy tale thing make;s me believe hashi>hiruzen

That's not what the manga said. The manga clearly said Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage. Hashirama may have been a fairytale but how in anyway does that overrule the statement that Hiruzen was the strongest hokage?

How can someone be the strongest hokage but still be weaker than another one? You cannot deny manga facts.

People keep bringing up their interpretations of 'oh, Kishi has changed the stroyline'. Any of you got a transcript of that wonderful conversation you had with Kishi?

 

[TobisPawn]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Sorry, I know there are a lot of threads about this, but people keep thinking that Hiruzen>Hashirama. It's annoying, so I must try to convince them otherwise.

Yes, I agree that Hiruzen was an amazing shinobi and worthy of being called Hokage. The fact that he's old and put up a hell of a fight against Oro and weaker versions of the first two Hokages are enough proof of how powerful he was. But in his fight against Shodaime and Nidaime:
Hashirama didn't use-
Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees
Water release
Earth release
Monster strength(He's apparently as strong or stronger than Tsunade)
Tobirama didn't use-
Space-time technique

You Hiruzen fanboys take "God of Shinobi" too literal. Kisame is called "The tailless tailed beast", is he really a tailed beast though? No, you idiots. Plus, when Iruka called Hiruzen "God of Shinobi", that was like what, within the first 50 chapters? I'm sure Kishi regrets that.

>Implying that anyone who uses manga facts is a fanboy.

And I've said this many times, but the power scaling in Part 1 was just less than Part 2. The hype is no different.

LOL, "tailless tailed beast" means that Kisame has a lot of chakra. "God of Shinobi" means that Hiruzen was just that damn powerful. Of course he wasn't literally a god, but he was compared with one due to his strength.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Just to clarify..

First of all, Kisame is called that because he has the chakra of a tailed beast. And that's been proven. He earned his nickname..

And Orochimaru called Hiruzen God of Shinobi, and it was chapter 100 and something. Orochimaru knows what he's talking about.

His nickname nor has his hype ever been debated against in this manga. Like him or hate him all you want, but trying to deny factual statements that have never been contradicted is going to get you no where.

It has never been said he has the chakra of a tailed beast :flaw:

 

[TheSages456]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Just to clarify..

First of all, Kisame is called that because he has the chakra of a tailed beast. And that's been proven. He earned his nickname..

And Orochimaru called Hiruzen God of Shinobi, and it was chapter 100 and something. Orochimaru knows what he's talking about.

His nickname nor has his hype ever been debated against in this manga. Like him or hate him all you want, but trying to deny factual statements that have never been contradicted is going to get you no where.

hashiramas strength was a fairy tail like the sage. in another translation it said his strength was a myth. hold on to that for a while.

now hiruzen was called god of shinobi and the strongest kage supposedly. lets get back to the hashirama hype saying his power was a myth like the sage. by definition a myth is greater than a god.

now lets get back to hashirama. his stength was a myth like the sage and does everyone believe in the sage. nope. whenever people heard about his strength they chose not to believe it and was basically like, thats a load of crap. theres no way for anyone to be that strong.

now since no one believed in hashiramas strength, they reasoned that hiruzen was the strongest because that was what seemed reasonable. not to mention that hashiramas hype and feats are infinitely superior to hiruzens.

 

[MorphyRulez]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Kurama was sealed in to Mito, so no, Kurama himself didn't assist Hashi.

Kurama sealed in to Mito, Yes but while they are fighting? I can not see how madara will allow this. However as i said, until kishi show us , we can not know

 

[EliteKakashi]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Umm I'm pretty sure it was Iruka who said it. Also, Kishi just stated the "God of Shinobi" thing to showcase Hiruzen as being a powerful shinobi because that was the beginning of the series

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

It has nothing to do with what time period it was in the series. Hiruzen was known among the ninja world as God Of Shinobi. Orochimaru states it clearly.

Do your research, especially before you try and bash someone/something.

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Hiruzen>hashi manga says

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

hashiramas strength was a fairy tail like the sage. in another translation it said his strength was a myth. hold on to that for a while.

now hiruzen was called god of shinobi and the strongest kage supposedly. lets get back to the hashirama hype saying his power was a myth like the sage. by definition a myth is greater than a god.

now lets get back to hashirama. his stength was a myth like the sage and does everyone believe in the sage. nope. whenever people heard about his strength they chose not to believe it and was basically like, thats a load of crap. theres no way for anyone to be that strong.

now since no one believed in hashiramas strength, they reasoned that hiruzen was the strongest because that was what seemed reasonable. not to mention that hashiramas hype and feats are infinitely superior to hiruzens.

Wow, good stuffxd

 

[EliteKakashi]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Kurama sealed in to Mito, Yes but while they are fighting? I can not see how madara will allow this. However as i said, until kishi show us , we can not know

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

It doesn't state specifically during the battle, but it implies it "to better aid Hashirama". Mito was apparently fighting along side him. If she continued to fight after sealing Kurama in to herself, I dunno.

 

[GreenV]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Do you know why Hiruzen was so weak? because Kishi's imagination wasn't as wild as of now.
Did you see Edo Hashi in part 1? LOL

 

[MrLukyso]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Hashiramas hype > Hiruzens.

 

[RasenKirin]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

*Sigh*

Kishi just messed up everyone's head with this crap...

Perhaps this would have been easier to debate if Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama didn't own Sarutobi in that fight in Part 1.

However, saying Hiruzen > Hashirama implies that Hiruzen > Madara which I doubt.

In my opinion, a nickname is just that: a nickname.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

It has nothing to do with what time period it was in the series. Hiruzen was known among the ninja world as God Of Shinobi. Orochimaru states it clearly.

Do your research, especially before you try and bash someone/something.

Okay, but Iruka also said it, we're both right about that.

 

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

That's not what the manga said. The manga clearly said Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage. Hashirama may have been a fairytale but how in anyway does that overrule the statement that Hiruzen was the strongest hokage?

How can someone be the strongest hokage but still be weaker than another one? You cannot deny manga facts.

People keep bringing up their interpretations of 'oh, Kishi has changed the stroyline'. Any of you got a transcript of that wonderful conversation you had with Kishi?

people have to read in between the line's sometimes.

no way he could be the strongest his body just wont allow it the senju bro's will always be in stronger body and chakra

speed that belongs- minato and tobirama

jutsu that belongs - tobirama-edo + time space

raw power belongs to hashirama

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

*Sigh*

Kishi just messed up everyone's head with this crap...

Perhaps this would have been easier to debate if Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama didn't own Sarutobi in that fight in Part 1.

However, saying Hiruzen > Hashirama implies that Hiruzen > Madara which I doubt.

In my opinion, a nickname is just that: a nickname.

It implies nothing. You cannot seriously be suggesting ABC logic in this debate.

people have to read in between the line's sometimes.

no way he could be the strongest his body just wont allow it the senju bro's will always be in stronger body and chakra

speed that belongs- minato and tobirama

jutsu that belongs - tobirama-edo + time space

raw power belongs to hashirama

Just your interpretation of things which is < The Manga.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

the old hiruzen vs hashirama topic just keeps poppin up wow...i saw a few scans talking about hashirama ..by people's logic ...hashirama is the strongest shinobi...if u accept all hiruzens hype ..then u gotta accept all hashirama's...ijs people are to biased either way...just leave it hashirama=hiruzen for now people

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Do you know why Hiruzen was so weak? because Kishi's imagination wasn't as wild as of now.
Did you see Edo Hashi in part 1? LOL

Lol yeah, all he used was wood release and the bringer-of-darkness. I'm sure Kishi didn't plan to make Hashi such a big deal in the future. Having Yamato, Danzo, and Madara copy his dna. Also, like I said in the OP, Hashi didn't use water release, earth release or that flower technique against Hiruzen. These fanboys won't learn, would it kill them to be reasonable?:sy:

 

[EliteKakashi]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Okay, but Iruka also said it, we're both right about that.

That's not my point. My point is that his nickname wasn't just something Iruka made up. Hiruzen was nicknamed it for a reason.

You can argue all you want who the strongest hokage is. I truly do not give a shit, however, people cannot try and discredit what is stated fact in the manga and has never been contradicted/disproven, just because it happened in part 1. If there is ever a statement which contradicts it, then you could say something. However, that hasn't happened, and never will.

That was Hiruzen's hype time, same as now is Hashirama's hype time. A lot of amazing things are being stated about HAshirama just like they were about Hiruzen. Hiruzen was called the strongest of the 5 kage even at his death, god of shinobi, the professor/knowing all(short of doujutsu) techniques in konoha, etc.

Hashirama's hype period is no different from Tsunade's, Hiruzen's or Minato's. People just like to jump on the **** of whatever is current, and try and discredit proven facts, when they have no way to/have nothing to back up what they're saying.

 

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Just your interpretation of things which is < The Manga.

fair enough : my opinion hashi>> 3rd

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

hashiramas strength was a fairy tail like the sage. in another translation it said his strength was a myth. hold on to that for a while.

now hiruzen was called god of shinobi and the strongest kage supposedly. lets get back to the hashirama hype saying his power was a myth like the sage. by definition a myth is greater than a god.

now lets get back to hashirama. his stength was a myth like the sage and does everyone believe in the sage. nope. whenever people heard about his strength they chose not to believe it and was basically like, thats a load of crap. theres no way for anyone to be that strong.

now since no one believed in hashiramas strength, they reasoned that hiruzen was the strongest because that was what seemed reasonable. not to mention that hashiramas hype and feats are infinitely superior to hiruzens.

Read this guy's post^^ Maybe it'll convince you