Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[Guardian of the Rain]

Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Sorry, I know there are a lot of threads about this, but people keep thinking that Hiruzen>Hashirama. It's annoying, so I must try to convince them otherwise.

Yes, I agree that Hiruzen was an amazing shinobi and worthy of being called Hokage. The fact that he's old and put up a hell of a fight against Oro and weaker versions of the first two Hokages are enough proof of how powerful he was. But in his fight against Shodaime and Nidaime:
Hashirama didn't use-
Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees
Water release
Earth release
Monster strength(He's apparently as strong or stronger than Tsunade)
Tobirama didn't use-
Space-time technique

You Hiruzen fanboys take "God of Shinobi" too literal. Kisame is called "The tailless tailed beast", is he really a tailed beast though? No, you idiots. Plus, when Iruka called Hiruzen "God of Shinobi", that was like what, within the first 50 chapters? I'm sure Kishi regrets that.

 

[Ryuu..]

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The Manga > Everything you just said.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

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The Manga > Everything you just said.

Lol no way you read it that fast

 

[-Logic-]

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The Manga > Everything you just said.

I kinda agree with you. However, Kishi has changed the plot. It's obvious he wants Hashirama to be the most powerful Kage and not Hiruzen anymore because he's also demonstrating Madara's power; As he was able to stand toe to toe with Hashirama. Give up on Hiruzen. He's nothing compared to Hashirama...

 

[MrLukyso]

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Plot has changed, Hype also. Hiruzen is overrated shit. Case closed.

 

[markdabomb22]

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The Manga > Everything you just said.

xd this ^^

 

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

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guy's sometime you lot over think it and forgot it's a show nothing is perfect

 

[TheSages456]

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its obvious that in part 2 hashirama became the strongest.

 

[Ryuu..]

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Until Kishi puts a line in saying 'Hashirama was the strongest Hokage' (like he has done with Hiruzen), then there is nothing to debate.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

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I kinda agree with you. However, Kishi has changed the plot. It's obvious he wants Hashirama to be the most powerful Kage and not Hiruzen anymore because he's also demonstrating Madara's power; As he was able to stand toe to toe with Hashirama. Give up on Hiruzen. He's nothing compared to Hashirama...

Thanks. Perfect logic

 

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

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Until Kishi puts a line in saying 'Hashirama was the strongest Hokage' (like he has done with Hiruzen), then there is nothing to debate.

i normally agree with you but i disagree with this time a man who beat kurama and madara at the same time is in a league of his own


iruka never saw hashirama fight

the whole fairy tale thing make;s me believe hashi>hiruzen

 

[Zerolax]

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everyone knows that when he was called GOD of SHINOBI its referring to the current ninja alive at that time...so ur reading into it to much...shame on u for letting others get u worked up

 

[EliteKakashi]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Sorry, I know there are a lot of threads about this, but people keep thinking that Hiruzen>Hashirama. It's annoying, so I must try to convince them otherwise.

Yes, I agree that Hiruzen was an amazing shinobi and worthy of being called Hokage. The fact that he's old and put up a hell of a fight against Oro and weaker versions of the first two Hokages are enough proof of how powerful he was. But in his fight against Shodaime and Nidaime:
Hashirama didn't use-
Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees
Water release
Earth release
Monster strength(He's apparently as strong or stronger than Tsunade)
Tobirama didn't use-
Space-time technique

You Hiruzen fanboys take "God of Shinobi" too literal. Kisame is called "The tailless tailed beast", is he really a tailed beast though? No, you idiots. Plus, when Iruka called Hiruzen "God of Shinobi", that was like what, within the first 50 chapters? I'm sure Kishi regrets that.

Just to clarify..

First of all, Kisame is called that because he has the chakra of a tailed beast. And that's been proven. He earned his nickname..

And Orochimaru called Hiruzen God of Shinobi, and it was chapter 100 and something. Orochimaru knows what he's talking about.

His nickname nor has his hype ever been debated against in this manga. Like him or hate him all you want, but trying to deny factual statements that have never been contradicted is going to get you no where.

 

[-Vegeta-]

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You're not going to get very reasonable replies by calling people idiots. I do however agree with the Hashirama>Hiruzen premise.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

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I kinda agree with you. However, Kishi has changed the plot. It's obvious he wants Hashirama to be the most powerful Kage and not Hiruzen anymore because he's also demonstrating Madara's power; As he was able to stand toe to toe with Hashirama. Give up on Hiruzen. He's nothing compared to Hashirama...

Agreed xd

 

[MorphyRulez]

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If we see hashi's op justus from madara, you can not say hiruzen has not any counter moves for them. Hiruzen's masters are Hashirama and Tobirama. He must know their weaknesses or some counter moves. If Manga says it, you should accept it. When kishi show us to opposite or any clue about that, your time will come.

 

[MorphyRulez]

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i normally agree with you but i disagree with this time a man who beat kurama and madara at the same time is in a league of his own


iruka never saw hashirama fight

the whole fairy tale thing make;s me believe hashi>hiruzen

Madara summoned kyuubi when their fight but manga said; Hashirama takes control of kyuubi. Maybe this battle Hashirama + Kurama vs Madara in the end we can not know what happened until we see.

 

[EliteKakashi]

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Madara summoned kyuubi when their fight but manga said; Hashirama takes control of kyuubi. Maybe this battle Hashirama + Kurama vs Madara in the end we can not know what happened until we see.

Kurama was sealed in to Mito, so no, Kurama himself didn't assist Hashi.

 

[cyco22]

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manga;;;;;;

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

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You're not going to get very reasonable replies by calling people idiots. I do however agree with the Hashirama>Hiruzen premise.

Lol, but if you've seen me around NB you would know I'm a nice, reasonable guy. These Hiruzen fanboys are just getting annoying, they are spreading their false logic to others, thus creating more fanboys:sy:

Just to clarify..

First of all, Kisame is called that because he has the chakra of a tailed beast. And that's been proven. He earned his nickname..

And Orochimaru called Hiruzen God of Shinobi, and it was chapter 100 and something. Orochimaru knows what he's talking about.

His nickname nor has his hype ever been debated against in this manga. Like him or hate him all you want, but trying to deny factual statements that have never been contradicted is going to get you no where.

Umm I'm pretty sure it was Iruka who said it. Also, Kishi just stated the "God of Shinobi" thing to showcase Hiruzen as being a powerful shinobi because that was the beginning of the series

everyone knows that when he was called GOD of SHINOBI its referring to the current ninja alive at that time...so ur reading into it to much...shame on u for letting others get u worked up

Yeah I know, trolls have the ability to do that to me