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[Sonin]

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It is NOT Danzo or Obito and this is why


Because in the flash back to the Shisui conversation sasuke was at least 5 years old. In that they were just speaking of him going missing. Either way, Danzo doesn't have a spacetime ninjutsu up to that level or he would have used it on sasuke. But yes, in the flash back Shisui had just gone missing and they were blaming itachi when Sasuke was about 6... So unless Shisui walked around 6 years without an eye..

My point is that shisui didn't lose his eyes in the time you claim.

Danzo would have had to of taken someone else's eye which is not supported at any point. Also the manga has made it clear that Tobi has been Tobi the whole time.

Chronologically Obito is not supported. Not at all. Kakashi was 15 when Tobi attacked about 3 years after the Obito incident maybe less. Tobi by all means i doubt could have mastered Space time in 2 years and learned to control the Kyubi. Also gain 2 new sharingan because one was crushed the other given to kakashi.

How i know when it was, Kakashi was 27 when the manga officially started naruto is 12. He was born on that day. leaving Kakashi at 15. Obito died when Kakashi was 13 when he became a Jonin. Case closed.

 

[MriRoN]

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good theory +rep

 

[Aze]

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Yeah , it will be just a matter of chapters when "Obito" into Tobi = Supporters give up.

Tobi could be =

Tobi - Izuna

Tobi - somekind of experiment

Tobi - some other Uchiha

Tobi - Itachis and Sasukes relative.


:scorps:

 

[Deidera]

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Can someone tell me the flaws of Tobi being Kagami Uchiha ....if there are any?

 

[lorul2]

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Chronologically Obito is not supported. Not at all. Kakashi was 15 when Tobi attacked about 3 years after the Obito incident maybe less. Tobi by all means i doubt could have mastered Space time in 2 years and learned to control the Kyubi. Also gain 2 new sharingan because one was crushed the other given to kakashi.

How i know when it was, Kakashi was 27 when the manga officially started naruto is 12. He was born on that day. leaving Kakashi at 15. Obito died when Kakashi was 13 when he became a Jonin. Case closed.

At 15-16 Naruto fought and beat Kakuzu, and Pain, he completed the technique the Fourth started and master SAGE mode. All before he kissed a girl (anime doesn't count..sometimes) Ok lets not use Naruto. Kakasi was a war hero and Itachi wiped out his whole clan somewhere between the age of 13 and 15.

Age in the "Narutoverse" has nothing to do with skill.

Two more holes to your arguement. First when Obito awakened his sharingan he immediately got two tomes in both eyes, Sasuke a "genius" 16 year old didn't do that. Second who says that Tobi had to learn the space time ability from someone? Maybe that is his natural ability. By your reasoning Kakashi shouldn't know how to do Kamui since all the Uchihia clan is dead and no one can teach him.

more "holes":

When Tobi attacked Konoha show me one picture where you see both of Tobi's eyes...Later in the manga we see Tobi collecting eyes, but not during the attack on Konoha.

Sasuke could surpress the 9 tails inside Naruto the first time he met him, but Tobi couldn't control the 9 tails during the attack on Konoha because no one taught him?

Only the first quote actually makes sense for Obito, otherwise he certainly knew who he was, well enough to trust his eye to Kakashi, and before that to be completely convinced in that protecting his teammates was the most important thing of all. Given that, I don't really see a reason for him to have changed his heart so quickly.

The "I am NO ONE" quote does not necessarily mean Tobi does not know who he is. It could simply be a reference to the fact no one knows he is or cared enough to come look for his body after being buried by rocks. Or maybe it could me since Kakashi got all the glory for his shiringan, Kakashi is somebody he is no body. Again I'm not stating it as a fact but as a plausible theory.

I was basing my size idea off of the fact that Obito and Kakashi were about the same size during the Gaiden. Seeing as during the attack Kakashi looked the same, one could guess that Obito would also have been about the same size, yet he was as tall as Minato, not over a head shorter as he should have been if he were Obito. That picture has Tobi with his whole body bent over and his head bent to the ground, he is not at his full height there.

The attack on Konoha was approximately 3 years after Obito "died". He could have had a growth spurt..maybe?

Again you can't base someone's age by their size, especially since you cant see his face.

An advanced skill I noticed when he fought Minato was his space time ninjutsu...also the fact that he went through all of the guards, controlled the Kyuubi...these are very advanced actions. Only Naruto and Sasuke have advanced that quickly in so short a time, but they were under the tuteledge of two incredible ninja, Orochimaru and Jiraya. There is NO way that they would have improved so much with Zetsu as a sensei.

He makes his body intangible, then solidifies, he travels through space and time in an instant. This is his ability. Other than summoning the nine tails I didn't see him use any "traditional" ninja techniques.

And I will concede my point about the appendages, honestly though, that jab about the definition, really? That's low. Aim for a little maturity next time. Besides the appendage point, I don't see where you have proven me wrong.

:zonder:

 

[Sonin]

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At 15-16 Naruto fought and beat Kakuzu, and Pain, he completed the technique the Fourth started and master SAGE mode. All before he kissed a girl (anime doesn't count..sometimes) Ok lets not use Naruto. Kakasi was a war hero and Itachi wiped out his whole clan somewhere between the age of 13 and 15.

Age in the "Narutoverse" has nothing to do with skill.

Two more holes to your arguement. First when Obito awakened his sharingan he immediately got two tomes in both eyes, Sasuke a "genius" 16 year old didn't do that. Second who says that Tobi had to learn the space time ability from someone? Maybe that is his natural ability. By your reasoning Kakashi shouldn't know how to do Kamui since all the Uchihia clan is dead and no one can teach him.

more "holes":

When Tobi attacked Konoha show me one picture where you see both of Tobi's eyes...Later in the manga we see Tobi collecting eyes, but not during the attack on Konoha.

Sasuke could surpress the 9 tails inside Naruto the first time he met him, but Tobi couldn't control the 9 tails during the attack on Konoha because no one taught him?




The "I am NO ONE" quote does not necessarily mean Tobi does not know who he is. It could simply be a reference to the fact no one knows he is or cared enough to come look for his body after being buried by rocks. Or maybe it could me since Kakashi got all the glory for his shiringan, Kakashi is somebody he is no body. Again I'm not stating it as a fact but as a plausible theory.



The attack on Konoha was approximately 3 years after Obito "died". He could have had a growth spurt..maybe?

Again you can't base someone's age by their size, especially since you cant see his face.



He makes his body intangible, then solidifies, he travels through space and time in an instant. This is his ability. Other than summoning the nine tails I didn't see him use any "traditional" ninja techniques.



:zonder:

Are you trying to tell me Kakashi didn't have to train to master this? Tobi's S/T is on a level never before seen. Even if it was a natural ability to master it is a whole new deal. Like the sharringan itself. Also, 2 years to go from a fodder ninja into a guy who can stand up with minato? Just no. Surpressing the Kyubi and controlling him are 2 different things. Sharringan can calm people through genjutsu. The kyubi at the time was driven off on naruto's anger. Sasuke can supress anger with his sharringan as seen with Juggo in the hut after sasuke beat Diedara. I am just saying Kishi would be a troll to say Obito grew this much in 2 years. He would have had to walked around half crushed and blind, Got a new sharingan and at least trained on S/T.

 

[lorul2]

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Are you trying to tell me Kakashi didn't have to train to master this? Tobi's S/T is on a level never before seen. Even if it was a natural ability to master it is a whole new deal. Like the sharringan itself. Also, 2 years to go from a fodder ninja into a guy who can stand up with minato? Just no. Surpressing the Kyubi and controlling him are 2 different things. Sharringan can calm people through genjutsu. The kyubi at the time was driven off on naruto's anger. Sasuke can supress anger with his sharringan as seen with Juggo in the hut after sasuke beat Diedara. I am just saying Kishi would be a troll to say Obito grew this much in 2 years. He would have had to walked around half crushed and blind, Got a new sharingan and at least trained on S/T.

Minato beat Tobi, and far as Kishi being a troll,as I said before, Zetsu is probably helping "whats left" of Obito.

 

[Sonin]

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Minato beat Tobi, and far as Kishi being a troll,as I said before, Zetsu is probably helping "whats left" of Obito.

I mean, it COULD happen. I think it would be pretty far fetched but if it is i will come give you all the rep i can

 

[lorul2]

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I mean, it COULD happen. I think it would be pretty far fetched but if it is i will come give you all the rep i can

If you think thats far fetched you should hear my Jiraiya and Tsunade theory..

xd

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

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why isnt this thread dead?!?!?!? it should just be a sticky

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Tobi is Madara, not Izuna

i know whar your thinking. "WTF UFT? he aint madara". hear me out.

more precisely i believe he was telling the truth about his name being madara. but he is not THE madara.
kabuto states that hes unsure if fake madara will act as planned, and madara never is like "no you noob thats not even his name its bla bla bla". he just stands there like "damn him. he must not be going according to plan".
madara said izuna DID die and the only thing he left madara was his eyes. if this is "our plan" and if fake madara is revealed to be alive by kabuto, then why would madara insist the only thing remaining that belongs to izuna is inside madara?
kishi is not the style of writer to make the identity of a main villain, some nobody whos name we had to find out in a databook. tobi has to be someone monumental to justify the huge twist. being the original madara would suffice. it could going to turn out that madara's parents named him after the first uchiha ever and that madara's family had been passing down the rinnegan for generations, carrying out the tradition of killing senjus. eventually madara discovers his ancestor alive and gathering followers, the original akatsuki. during the subsequent world wars, tobidara loses sight of his original plans, and forms the moons eye. which madara then agrees to.
evidence for this is the quote "the world is worthless, theres nothing LEFT in it but misery". tobidara was not always a bastard, that is obvious. and the man i can think of who has the knowledge, skill and age to pull off all that he has done without the MS or double eyed rinnegan is because hes someone who we all knew already was that immensely powerful. madara, son of the sage, the original badass.

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Re: Tobi is Madara, not Izuna

Tobi didn't say he is Madara at first. Only Minato made a guess while his encounter and Tobi didn't deny it as the name Madara itself is Power.

 

[Urda]

Re: Tobi is Madara, not Izuna

Where is the Proof? (Manga Links) Also, what is "UFT"? I think its "You 'F'in Tard? IDK.

 

[Kwalker394]

Re: Tobi is Madara, not Izuna

No just plain no. Madara is EDO. If hes EDO then he cant be tobi

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Re: Tobi is Madara, not Izuna

since you all insist on me not using mangareader links, i didnt. also its a theory, not trying to inform anyone

Only Minato made a guess while his encounter and Tobi didn't deny it as the name Madara itself is Power.

why do you think that is hmm?

No just plain no. Madara is EDO. If hes EDO then he cant be tobi

way to not read the thread. i guess you read the title and thought "hey he must be saying tobi is edo madara"

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: Common Sense that Tobi is Izuna Uchiha

Posted in another thread, come at me bro

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[Sonin]

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"OMG, i just came up with who tobi is!!! (trolling yes) Minato.. It all makes since now! " I swear people on this site say stupid things like this too much.

 

[Maunten]

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Tobi is setsuna uchiha who is obitos father.

Motive, timeline, bloodline, emotional drive.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Izuna revived

I know that their are many Tobi identity threads, but I was just talking with my brother and I don't think I have seen this one. People like to think that Tobi is Kagumi, Izuna, or even some form of Madara. I think that he is indeed Izuna.

I think that Izuna died like it was stated. Then, after he acquired the Rinnegan, Madara used it to revive Izuna. He probably used up all of his chakra bringing back this single person who died so long ago. Before he actually kicked the bucket, Madara and Izuna devised a plan to revive Madara using his own Rinnegan implanted into Nagato. This would explain Tobi not caring who he is. He already sacrificed himself once for his brother, who is the only one that matters to him.

I don't know if this type of post is banned or not, but hey just wanted to get my opinion out there.

 

[El Batman]

Re: Izuna revived

Tobi is the elder son!

But yeah your theory makes sense.