Hashirama > Naruto & Sasuke

[Super Kami Guru]

ehhhhh slow down dont get me wrong... but an uchiha and a jinkurriki vs the first hokage would be a good fight i think. Sasuke has the ems not to the extent that madara has it but it counts for something because his ms will never shut, he can use izanagi and izanami. Naruto has essentially full control kurama and prob can use the tailed beast bomb soon aka prob one of the most devastating jutsus in the ninjaverse. first hokage prob would win at this point, but if naruto can use tbb and sasuke izanagi and izanami would be a good fight

 

[Ryuu..]

I will say now that a fully rested Naruto and his KM clone army would be too much for Hashirama.

 

[Uzumakaze Kage]

Both Uchiha and Senju are direct descendants of the SO6P and Hashirama was just more skilled than EMS Madara he has never tested his power against the Rinnegan so you can only assume

 

[~MC117~]

hashirama beat ems madara not edo madara with wood and rinnegan dam are we reading the same manga here or what smh stupid people are stupid

Agreed! +rep

 

[sytren]

Yall are assuming that naruto with full power of nine tails isn't stronger than nine tails when being controlled by madara. I believe that a tailed beast is stronger when inside a host as they can utilize on each other strengths.

 

[Exaar]

EMS Madara is either greater than or equal to Sasuke, I hope we can agree to that much. Naruto's power all derives from the kyuubi, save SM.

Hashirama fought EMS Madara (Sasuke) and 9 Tails (Naruto) already, and won. SM is really not that strong that it can beat Hashirama.

Bm naruto is Greater than Just the Kyuubi.

Kyuubi hasn't shown any Speed, Yet naruto has all the power he has, Plus all that speed on top of it.

Hashirama wouldn't be able to keep up with Km/Bm speed levels, Let alone catch him with Wood.


Madara > Kyuubi
Hashirama > Kyuubi.

BM naruto > Madara
Bm naruto > hashirama

 

[Baka Sennin]

current Naruto (BM) and his km clones army will be too much, even for Hashirama and EMS Madara. there's a good reason why Kishi hasn't had Naruto spam clones in one spot yet, it's because he would be unstoppable.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

Well how about this: if the fight went how it did in that video game, where Madara DIDN'T use any of the EMS techs other than reversing time, then how can we be so sure Hashirama beat Madara in the way we think he did. Who knows if both went all out. There's nothing but opinions and speculations at this point.

Not to mention, Madara awakened the Rinnegan after that battle meaning if he were to face Hashirama with EMS + Rinnegan things might have been totally different.

As for Naruto and Sasuke, we haven't even seen them at full power yet. Let's talk about this when everything's said and done and then everything will make more sense and be much more debatable which at this point it isn't.

One thing is for sure, Naruto + Kurama versus Kurama ALONE is much better. Two heads are better than one.

Agreed to a certain point. That video game was non canon whereas the manga says, "It was a fight to the death." That means all out.

I think it is safe to say that in the manga Madara used Susano'o why would he not? He whipped it out in two seconds versus the Kage's.

Naruto + 50% Kurama is NOT EQUAL to 100% Kurama just for your consideration and for those who think Kurama is still at 50%. He is considerably smaller but no one really knows he might regenerate it.

 

[ElectricClover]

Bm naruto is Greater than Just the Kyuubi.

Kyuubi hasn't shown any Speed, Yet naruto has all the power he has, Plus all that speed on top of it.

Hashirama wouldn't be able to keep up with Km/Bm speed levels, Let alone catch him with Wood.

My last post addressed Naruto's speed. The kyuubi Hashirama fought had twice as much power as Naruto does now because he had his yin half.

Madara > Kyuubi
Hashirama > Kyuubi.

BM naruto > Madara
Bm naruto > hashirama

The first one because he had genjutsu.
The second one because he had mokuton.
Naruto has neither.

If you mean EMS than yes.
No because Hashirama can supress the kyuubi in Naruto and beat him in SM.

 

[Exaar]

My last post addressed Naruto's speed. The kyuubi Hashirama fought had twice as much power as Naruto does now because he had his yin half,

The first one because he had genjutsu.
The second one because he had mokuton.
Naruto has neither.

If you mean EMS than yes.
No because Hashirama can supress the kyuubi in Naruto and beat him in SM.

Even so, He has enough power to match 5 Bijuu TBB's, Thats more then enough.


Hashirama has to catch Bm naruto Fist, Km clones/Sm clone spam is more than enough to overpower him.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

I will say now that a fully rested Naruto and his KM clone army would be too much for Hashirama.

current Naruto (BM) and his km clones army will be too much, even for Hashirama and EMS Madara. there's a good reason why Kishi hasn't had Naruto spam clones in one spot yet, it's because he would be unstoppable.

As I said Naruto will at some point surpass Hashirama but something really needs to be clarified. Kurama at 100% versus Hashirama >(more power than) Naruto + 50% Kurama. Therefore KM or BM are rendered half as weak as the power Hashirama fought.

You people ought to recognize that if this is the case then Naruto still loses. However, if Kurama is at 100% then like I said it won't be long before Naruto surpasses Hashirama if he has not done so already of course Naruto is strong, but you have to see my point. So once again I ask you 50% or 100% and then what was Minato doing sealing half his chakra away if it just did nothing?

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

hashirama beat ems madara not edo madara with wood and rinnegan dam are we reading the same manga here or what smh stupid people are stupid

people seem to forget this is not the madara hashi fought, this madara has senju cells boosting his chakra, rinnegan, and mokuton

@op bm naruto is as different from kurama as kurama is from some random summon, hes not some animal going on a rampage or being mindlessly controlled by a third party, its the unison of bijuu and shinobi in a way we havnt seen before because kurama is fully constituted but all yang chakra now, his physical make up is far different from what hashirama faced, his speed is ridiculous and hashi has no way to counter it and his strength is clearly above what it should be, tanking 5 other tbb with one of its own, all your saying is based on your thinking that jins tailed beast mode = bijuu, when in fact naruto bm mode > jins tailed beast mode > bijuu, hashi wouldnt even know what to do with bm naruto

 

[ElectricClover]

Even so, He has enough power to match 5 Bijuu TBB's, Thats more then enough.


Hashirama has to catch Bm naruto Fist, Km clones/Sm clone spam is more than enough to overpower him.

In relation to the battle Naruto can't use the kyuubi's power because Hashirama can supress that. He's pretty much like Kurama who gets supressed in the earlier battle, except half that strength.

I already addressed the speed... Hashirama has wood clones that only Madara can distinguish from the real thing, meaning Naruto leaping in with speed will give Hashirama an opportunity to mokuton his ass. He's too reckless and so his speed doesn't help him with Hashirama.

 

[Ryuu..]

As I said Naruto will at some point surpass Hashirama but something really needs to be clarified. Kurama at 100% versus Hashirama >(more power than) Naruto + 50% Kurama. Therefore KM or BM are rendered half as weak as the power Hashirama fought.

You people ought to recognize that if this is the case then Naruto still loses. However, if Kurama is at 100% then like I said it won't be long before Naruto surpasses Hashirama if he has not done so already of course Naruto is strong, but you have to see my point. So once again I ask you 50% or 100% and then what was Minato doing sealing half his chakra away if it just did nothing?

50% Kurama with a brain > 100% stupid Kurama.

 

[RasenKirin]

Agreed to a certain point. That video game was non canon whereas the manga says, "It was a fight to the death." That means all out.

I think it is safe to say that in the manga Madara used Susano'o why would he not? He whipped it out in two seconds versus the Kage's.

Naruto + 50% Kurama is NOT EQUAL to 100% Kurama just for your consideration and for those who think Kurama is still at 50%. He is considerably smaller but no one really knows he might regenerate it.

But with both of them together, they think things out whereas the Kurama we've seen when it's being controlled only attacks and doesn't think. For itself at least.

 

[SasukeUchiha910]

Current Naruto would Crush EMS madara.

u r crazyU_U

 

[Exaar]

In relation to the battle Naruto can't use the kyuubi's power because Hashirama can supress that. He's pretty much like Kurama who gets supressed in the earlier battle, except half that strength.

I already addressed the speed... Hashirama has wood clones that only Madara can distinguish from the real thing, meaning Naruto leaping in with speed will give Hashirama an opportunity to mokuton his ass. He's too reckless and so his speed doesn't help him with Hashirama.

Hashirama can't distinguish between Naruto's clones either.

 

[ElectricClover]

Hashirama can't distinguish between Naruto's clones either.

If Hashirama and Naruto are equal in trying to distinguish each other's clones (which I doubt because Hashirama's is specifically indistiguishable but let's go with it), then who do you think is going to figure out the real one first? Dumbass Naruto? Or Hashirama?

 

[Blaze Release]

People need to stop overrating hashirama. Edo madara is making him look better than he is but for people who can stand back and think will recognise this whilst the slower people it will take time to sink in.

Naruto will take hashirama to high diff if he was to win. Adding ems sasuke to it, is just stupidity. Anyway team 2 mid diff

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

50% Kurama with a brain > 100% stupid Kurama.

But with both of them together, they think things out whereas the Kurama we've seen when it's being controlled only attacks and doesn't think. For itself at least.

Woah woah are you guys calling Naruto smart?! More than that are you calling him smarter than Madara?!

Madara controlling Kurama is Madara controlling Kurama not turning him into just an idiot that doesn't know anything. Madara is a battle genius therefore Kurama's actions, being controlled by a battle genius, and those of the battle genius since he is being controlled by him! Remember he's being controlled. This is not Tobi letting him run loose, and this is not a pissed off Kurama running on a rampage, this is designed battle-used Kurama controlled by Madara. Who says being controlled by Madara would turn you into an idiot?