[Theory] Rinnegan, nagato and uzumaki.

[fallen sephitoth23]

i have a theory for the Rinnegan, nagato and uzumaki:

as we all know, it has been mentioned that you need both the Sharingan and senju dna to unlock the Rinnegan, but nagato was an uzumaki and did not have Sharingan.

so the the theory is that the uzumaki must naturaly have both senju and uchiha dna. meaning that so6p was a uzumaki. because the sons became the senju and uchiha.
tobi stated he gave the Rinnegan to nagato, i think that tobi basic sent the two Konoha shinobi know what will happen. and just like the Sharingan, extreme emotional stress is need. so from having his parents killed in front of him, triggered the Rinnegan in nagato.

2: we all know that uzumaki possess incredible longevity and life force. thus making them good tail beast host. must come from either the fact the so6p was the first Jinchūriki or a god. most likely giving them their fast healing ablitiys.

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note that kurama had no connection to naruto thanks to the 5-prong seal.

what do you think?

 

[Commander Axe]

Yea good theory.

 

[Sage of Infinity Paths]

I think Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan before his dead

 

[rollin]

i just always thought since uzumaki's had enough chakra to make a good jinchuuriki, their bodies could also handle having a rinnegan implanted into them.

 

[blackman33]

well i agree with this theory but there still remains the question could the first hokage have the sharingan?

 

[Typhon Uchiha]

Where does it say you need both Senju and Uchiha DNA to get rinnegan....from my memory the sage of the six paths gave his EYES to the uchiha and the uchiha alone, so why would they need senju DNA?

 

[Trendy]

lol you dont need the 1rst dna to get the rinn rofl
you guys dont pay much attention!

 

[KyoshiroSenju]

I think Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan before his dead

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[Kuriboh]

I dont think the So6P was an uzumaki since the series has already said that the clan originated from the senju clan... Many others have big chakra reserves who are not from either clan and are able to be hosts so its not just limited to just the uzumaki... Also i think the rinnegan that nagato had was madara's rinnegan that was entrusted with tobi who in the end gave it to nagato in order for him to later revive madara. I think that tobi would have then retransplanted the eyes into madara, but the plan was foiled when nagato killed himself

 

[Wukong]

I do like this theory but the truth is There was never a full explination to the awaking of the Rinnegan from Sharingan, Some people believe you need both Senju and Uchiha because Madara stated "I awoken the Rinnegan before I died" and we all know he fought the 1st Hokage before he died to get his cells. But there also has never been a direct "You need both Senju and Uchiha cells"
Also you possibly are correct but if Uzumaki are cousins from the Senju, Senju were born from the Body of the So6P; it wouldn't work that way how I could see it happening is a Male Senju and Female Uchiha came together to try and bring both there lines together.
If it was a Male Uchiha then the Uzumaki males would have Sharingan and we would see Naruto with eyes not body. That's my theory.

 

[Arsenicpop]

Tobi did say he gave Nagato the Rinnegan.

 

[Urda]

I do not think it was mentioned of Hashirama's DNA is needed to unlock Rinnegan. It was still unknown or unconfirmed, but speculated by Madara that he awakens it shortly after his death. We have some information of it being an evolution of Sharingan, but its connection to Nagato is still unknown as he is an Uzumaki, who is related to the Senju by blood (Cousins) and not by Uchiha. Many have assumed (or more have speculated) that it was transplanted by Medical means. Tobi statements of him saying this is somewhat evidence, but it is not confirmed.

How all this connects to each other is unknown, but the Sage is connected to them all and not just Uchiha and Senju.

Edited: Also, Naruto was born as a Jinchuuriki which makes his connection with the fox somewhat relevant to any argument that deals with chakra. Along with his Uzumaki DNA, he makes for a chakra (Stamina) beast or whatever.

 

[Arsenicpop]

That and to be honest, the whole Rinnegan thing is just full of plot holes. Kishi is just rushing it to finish the story.

 

[mishka]

I dont think the So6P was an uzumaki since the series has already said that the clan originated from the senju clan... Many others have big chakra reserves who are not from either clan and are able to be hosts so its not just limited to just the uzumaki... Also i think the rinnegan that nagato had was madara's rinnegan that was entrusted with tobi who in the end gave it to nagato in order for him to later revive madara. I think that tobi would have then retransplanted the eyes into madara, but the plan was foiled when nagato killed himself

--- i am trying to understand, please forgive me. are u saying that tobi transplanted the rinnegan to nagato and later on, would retransplant the eyes to madara?

i always thought that nagato "awakened" his rinnegan because of the intense fear/anger and traumatic death of his parents. i never imagined that it was madara's own rinnegan.

 

[gazmatic]

no. reread the manga. the so6p cannot be an uzumaki because uzamaki came waaay after the so6p died. remember that the senju are really really really watered down versions of the younger son and the uzamaki had links to the senju hence this implies that they came long after the sages death, after the first sons death, after his descendants death, and so on and so on. also, tobi stated that he gave nagato the rinnegan probable because he knew he was an uzamaki and that he was capable of maintaining the rinnegan without adverse effects. basically anybody can get any eye but they have to be able to support the strain. so yes. it implies that sakura can get the rinnegan theoretically but the strain would consume her because she is not from the right clan. think kakashi and the sharingan. he has to keep it hidden because the strain it has on his chakra. never mind when he activates MS compared to when an uchiha activates MS. get it now? also the rinnegan is the next step after the EMS... you dont need senju dna(supposedly) as a gradual progression... 1tomed, 2tomed, 3tomed, MS, EMS, Rinnegan. because as the bloodline diluted from the older brother so did his ocular powers only to be later unlocked...

 

[mishka]

i love the uzumakis! maybe the uzumakis are just freak of nature! thats why they are so powerful!

 

[spatha]

this all seems flawed. It hasnt been clearly stated either way wether you need senju dna to unlock rinnegan, hence why sooooo many people insist on arguing about it. In this case its unnecessary though, because it has been said now that tobi gave nagato his rinnegan, and my best guess is they were madaras eyes. Also a side note i always like to point out for discussions sake, is how kishi kinda forgot what he put in his own data books. People are so hyped about sharingan going to rinnegan, however the databook clearly states that sharingan mutated from the byakugan. Now even though kishi has let byakugan fall to the wayside, in theory, this statement means somewhere down the road kishi could get bored and give neji or hinata rinnegan which would be quite funny to me.

 

[Aze]

I have allways sayed , Uzumaki is the most Superior clan out there = the only clan capable of storing the 9 tails.

Naruto 20+ minutes old , became the 9 tails jinchuriki = Narutos chakra network at this age must have been far superior to these adults of 30+ years old by then.

Also the life force needed to sustain 9 tails inside a person must be insane = Other clans will die = in the matter of seconds when 9 tails is stored inside them.

Uzumaki = The most Superior clan out there = you can practicaly cut them open and pierce their heart and organs = and still they could = give their last scale attack = on a extreme level.


Like Nagato did.

Nagato was minutes away from dieing = but he used Rinne Tensei = On a massive scale = reviving all who where killed = but not only that = their bodys where also healed to a point where they could move again = and all that happened in the matter of seconds.


That means = that Uzumakis are capable = of using Jutsus when their out of chakra = but their lifespan and lifeforce will be taken instead of chakra then = As noted Nagatos hair turned white after Rinne Tensei = He was nearly out of chakra , but he used hes lifeforce instead of it.


Hope that helped^^

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[NATRA]

I dont think the So6P was an uzumaki since the series has already said that the clan originated from the senju clan... Many others have big chakra reserves who are not from either clan and are able to be hosts so its not just limited to just the uzumaki... Also i think the rinnegan that nagato had was madara's rinnegan that was entrusted with tobi who in the end gave it to nagato in order for him to later revive madara. I think that tobi would have then retransplanted the eyes into madara, but the plan was foiled when nagato killed himself

I don't think the plan has failed because Tobi said that what technique should be used only for him ... Tobi=Madara

Tobi did say he gave Nagato the Rinnegan.

Madara also said something like that when he got revived

I have allways sayed , Uzumaki is the most Superior clan out there = the only clan capable of storing the 9 tails.

Naruto 20+ minutes old , became the 9 tails jinchuriki = Narutos chakra network at this age must have been far superior to these adults of 30+ years old by then.

Also the life force needed to sustain 9 tails inside a person must be insane = Other clans will die = in the matter of seconds when 9 tails is stored inside them.

Uzumaki = The most Superior clan out there = you can practicaly cut them open and pierce their heart and organs = and still they could = give their last scale attack = on a extreme level.


Like Nagato did.

Nagato was minutes away from dieing = but he used Rinne Tensei = On a massive scale = reviving all who where killed = but not only that = their bodys where also healed to a point where they could move again = and all that happened in the matter of seconds.


That means = that Uzumakis are capable = of using Jutsus when their out of chakra = but their lifespan and lifeforce will be taken instead of chakra then = As noted Nagatos hair turned white after Rinne Tensei = He was nearly out of chakra , but he used hes lifeforce instead of it.


Hope that helped^^

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I agree with you btw i think this is how it is the family tree of those clans:
SO6P ---->Senju Clan Ancestor ---->Many Generations ----->Senju Clan
---->Many Generations ----->Uzumaki Clan
---->Uchiha Clan Ancestor ---->Many Generations ----->Uchiha Clan
---->Many Generations------>Hyūga Clan(i presume)
Uchiha Clan Ancestor he inherited the sage's eyes his powerful chakra and spiritual energy on the other hand Senju Clan Ancestor he inherited the sage's body (life force and physical energy) so and their descendants

 

[Prime Rib]

soeey but rinnegan is for uchiha only "{