4th hokage Vs 1st hokage

[Sonin]

This is not a troll thread, this is not a hype war. This is a technique counter debate. Troll if you want but i am sure ill get some good feedback.

Okay the 1st hokage is based on large area techniques, weapons, and control.
He uses his trees to supress enemies. To attack and to surround.

Minato teleports, uses summons, rasengan, and seals.

How i think this would go. I think The 1st would start with taijutsu and see what the 4th technique is maybe get hit by rasengan but his cells would withstand. He would then start large scale attacks and use his branches to deflect kunai. The only problem with this would be the amount of kunai. let's say twenty. He now has 20 spots he can teleport to at any time. The first can cage them all.

Okay seems in the firsts favor thus far. The 4th see's he is counter so he uses the boss summons to try to preasure the first while the 1 suppresses the summons minato spreads non kunai based formulas and lands a rasengan. 1st forces minato to teleport back with his flower polen technique and then creates a defensive wall.

Little did he know he now has a formula on him. Minato teleport back into the 1st after the polen dissipates and from here i would hope he would try to seal him with the death god. Well that would be a draw. I think the biggest deal for minato would be the weapons that hiro summons and wields with his trees. well

Give me feed back and let me know

 

[TheSages456]

hashirama wins

 

[Sonin]

hashirama wins

Did you even consider my scenario or just don't care?

 

[TheSages456]

Did you even consider my scenario or just don't care?

well you didnt take into account that the first can use mokuton clones, his weapon mastery or that he would make a forest right off the bat to give himself the environmental advantage

 

[ZeeshanAsNaruto]

I think i agree wid u if the fight goes the way u r sayin' den its possible tht it maybe a draw btw i think u r a Minato fanboy either u reallt lyk tht character btw i lyk him 2 bt not a fanboy

 

[Sonin]

well you didnt take into account that the first can use mokuton clones, his weapon mastery or that he would make a forest right off the bat to give himself the environmental advantage

I took in consideration his weapons right at the end. I based his fight after how he did against madara. He fought hand v hand at first. Then created his forest . I compensated for his environment as well...

 

[Sonin]

I think i agree wid u if the fight goes the way u r sayin' den its possible tht it maybe a draw btw i think u r a Minato fanboy either u reallt lyk tht character btw i lyk him 2 bt not a fanboy

I am not a fan boy of him. I am of space time ninjutsu. It's versatility is nuts and makes for a good debate

 

[Stark]

Minato takes the cake in what your talking about.

 

[Sonin]

Minato takes the cake in what your talking about.

No he would kill them both. THat is IF the 1st doesn't counter him as the seal is being formed. He is senju after all. I post this to get a good debate. I mean he may be able to use a branch to fling a weapon at minato either decapitating him or forcing him to teleport.

 

[HNIC]

1st Hokage wins moderate difficulty, you didn't consider total darkness technique.

 

[Sonin]

1st Hokage wins moderate difficulty, you didn't consider total darkness technique.

Total darkness was cast by the 2nd hokage...

 

[HNIC]

Total darkness was cast by the 2nd hokage...

That's was in the anime, in the manga the 1st Hokage used it.

 

[Sonin]

That's was in the anime, in the manga the 1st Hokage used it.

Hm, yea true. Well that is if minato couldn't compensate for genjutsu. He still has his summons and could possible teleport away at this time.

 

[KyoshiroSenju]

Is possible for minato to win if u put it tht way but hashi is way stronger n smarter..n he will counter the seal before minato do it.

 

[HNIC]

Hm, yea true. Well that is if minato couldn't compensate for genjutsu. He still has his summons and could possible teleport away at this time.

Fleeing from the battle is a lost. Btw summons could have the same effect.

1)Minato could be blind and have to worry about trees in his surrounding or the 1st himself.

2) Minato teleports away but would have to return in a predictable location as kunia are needed, an easy trap.

3) summoning are used, so the 1st uses his giant flower to force them to retreat or hinder their performance.

 

[Sonin]

Fleeing from the battle is a lost. Btw summons could have the same effect.

1)Minato could be blind and have to worry about trees in his surrounding or the 1st himself.

2) Minato teleports away but would have to return in a predictable location as kunia are needed, an easy trap.

3) summoning are used, so the 1st uses his giant flower to force them to retreat or hinder their performance.

Yes but maybe they could disrupt eachothers chakra flow. Also at this point in time minato could have formula's everywhere as i stated when the 1st surpressed boss toad XD

 

[Bijuu13]

Is possible for minato to win if u put it tht way but hashi is way stronger n smarter..n he will counter the seal before minato do it.

he is not smarter .. but obviously he is stronger.

I hate how people immediately discount minato because Hashirama will change the environment with mokuton. Thats not gonna do anything but move the seals or kunia to a new location, not destroy them.

Minato has him beat in taijutsu as well, anybody without high speed or s/t is no match in taijutsu

Overall Hashirama would win due to his large scale attacks and healing factor

 

[Sonin]

he is not smarter .. but obviously he is stronger.

I hate how people immediately discount minato because Hashirama will change the environment with mokuton. Thats not gonna do anything but move the seals or kunia to a new location, not destroy them.

Minato has him beat in taijutsu as well, anybody without high speed or s/t is no match in taijutsu

Overall Hashirama would win due to his large scale attacks and healing factor

I agree his healing factor would indeed be a big deal for stamina against minato.

 

[sytren]

Well it would depend on if hashi knows what seal he is doing. It was the 4th's own tech so hashi wouldn't know about it honestly. Also being in a forest benefits both of them since the 4th is a tracker and hashi uses the forest. Minato can lay out a bunch of seals and get around quicker than hashi could hit him. I think Minato would be able to take him down at some point.

 

[HNIC]

Yes but maybe they could disrupt eachothers chakra flow. Also at this point in time minato could have formula's everywhere as i stated when the 1st surpressed boss toad XD

That possibly is low, as try wouldn't be able to see each other. Don't forget te 3rd had Emma and he wasn't able to help in the situation.

Minato could have kunia elsewhere but wouldnt know his whereabouts