Kabuto vs Hashirama
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Hashirama's Mokuton is better than Madara's, I do not care if you say different that just makes you a troll. And that's Oonoki not Kabuto. Hashirama would kill as soon as he was asleep. Madara has been playing with the kage this whole time. he could have killed them then.
Tobi's plan was to get Kurama and then destroy the leaf with him. He failed at both those tasks due to Minato. Minato beat Tobi.
Hashirama was his match. The five Kage would lose to Hashirama and Kabuto would lose to the five. Stop getting off topic.
Hashirama can make more than one clone. Stop trolling. And Where does it say that he studied Hashirama's abilities? It said that he studied the genes but not the abilities don't make stuff up.
And I already explained why he wins. You have been trolling and I have destroyed each of your crappy attempts to make an argument.
You have nothing against the flower world, nor his clones. And thats just what we know about him. Wait till we get a full view of his abilities. It will pretty much make any argument you have useless.
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your just assuming cos hes the original user
he stopped his plans, doesnt mean tobi was unable to continue. he could have
um, no they wont. jinton + boil release + lightning armour + tsunade pulverising any "wood walls" and bunshins = hashirama gonna do nothin, he gonna die.
yes but 99% of the universe would, 5 vs 1. edo madara and tobi are just special like that.
no he cant. the ever reliable narutopedia lists the only taijuu bunshin users as naruto madara and kakashi. end of story.
the DNA is how you get abilities. kabuto implanted hashiramas genes into the madara edo so hed obtain all his abilities
no but kabuto does. and you keep screaming flower world evne though he cant make it instantly, or at least not fast enough. kabuto has researched hashirama and even came up with a drug to suppress him. he had to reassure tobi he wont use it on zetsu.
no he said "thats what everyone says" not "thats what i say". he was recounting what people think nowadays. and its obviously wrong because tobi and bm naruto exist. kabuto claimed hes invincible and closest to sage of six paths
since your using bullshit hype, kabuto said hes invincible so he wins. see? i can do it too.
turning into water + white aggravation + giving life to the ground itself + suppressing mokuton drug = gg.
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First of all. I have lost all respect for your "opinion" You just troll. not only in this thread but any other one I have seen you post in.
Hashirama's Mokuton is better. Madara and everybody else only has a portion of Hashirama. Therefore a portion of his power.
If Tobi would have continued he would have lost even more. Minato beat him and he lost control of Kurama, If he would have tried to face Hiruzen he would have died.
Hashirama would have beat the 5 Kage with flower world. As soon as they were asleep he could have killed them. Madara has been playing with them the whole time.
Narutopedia is not the Manga. Madara stated that Hashirama used the multiple wood clone technique that only he could see through.
Nowhere does it say that Kabuto knows all of his techniques. stop BSing
Hashirama can make it instantly. (i have no clue why you keep trying to troll him) And He has to administer the drug, He will not get close enough to Hashirama nor can he distinguish the clones from the real one.
Hashirama is so far above Kabuto its amazing that you could fanboy this much.
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kabutos pretty much hashiramas worst matchup. he can nullify his whole mokuton with poison as with yamato.
if pollen is truly such an OP and invincible jutsu tat puts anyone and everyone to nap time then how come madara and onoki escaped battles with users of it?
except madara said he had his life force. never said a portion. being the original user doesnt mean the mokuton itself is stronger, just that hashis more experienced with it as hes only used that to fight all his life and is able to pour more chakra into it
tobi barely used anything we now know he had. izanagi reverses all the damage minato just inflicted.
when kages said they fought with full power madara responded by revealing his last trump card. nothing else had worked thus far despite desperately trying to kill them. he couldnt die so he didnt look worried at much plus preta path. you think hashi could start off immediately with flower world and wait for pollen to affect them with no way to knock them down into it once gaara makes them all fly? hashis never shown such power. his trees would bounce off gaaras sand wall.
if pollen is truly such an OP and invincible jutsu tat puts anyone and everyone to nap time then how come madara and onoki escaped battles with users of it?
not once did he ever mention "multiple"
so the man who studied his cells enough to create a poison able to nullify it, and has heard about hashiramas reputation and is able to graft his powers to madara, knew nothing about hashirama?
thatd be nice if you didnt just make shit up. hashiramas never made a forest instantly. tsunade was astounded madara could because madaras on a different level in chakra, efficiency and power
it gets info from the anime/manga/databook. do you think they make shit up with the strict ass moderators there?
THEY ARE CLONES. NO ONE can distinguish clone naruto from his real one. even itachi got clone feinted in early part 2. perfect replicas are designed to not be able to be seen through if you distribute chakra evenly which naruto did to counter nejis byakugan. obviously hashirama didnt distribute chakra in the face of MS. MS and EMS dont have more insight than a regular sharingan. they just add more eye jutsus like amat.
hashiramas got no answer to kabuto controlling the battlefield with muki tensei as he has no amaterasu
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Why did you wait for like 6 months to reply????
How is Kabuto going to nullify him if he can not even hit him? And Hashirama can just heal so....
Madara did say a portion He said it was "some" power clinging to him not All his power some. And Hashirama is better with it considering he has much more experience.
I'm not going to argue 5 Kage's vs. Hashirama. Kabuto ha no way to counter the flower world.
Explain as to why he would not be able to make multiple clones since every person in the manga who can make clones can make multiples, yet you think that One of the most poweful ninja's in history can not.. U_U
He knows about Hashirama, it does not mean that he knows every technique. Only Madara knows that considering he actually was alive during that time and fought him. Where would he get all the Knowledge on him?
Hashirama can make a forest instantly, your not winning me over on trying to say that he can not in fact Hashirama was responsible for making the foundations of Kanoha.
Hashirama is a Senju who are known for their mass chakra.
Hashirama's clones are not just indistinguishable but they are much more durable than any other type of clone.
Kabuto can control a small cave maybe a little more, Hashirama can control the entire land. Tell me who you think will have the advantage of battlefield?
Hashirama wins.
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oh,you are just a naruto fanboy,and ive read the thread,if you think kabuto can't counter flower world,you are wrong,kabuto fused hashirama's power to madara,he studied hashirama's cells,you think he dosent know about flower world?,moukton is useless,he has a water body,BOD is useless,he can fight with his eyes closed.how does hashirama counter sound genjutsu,white rage tech?,muki tenei?,he absorbs natural energy while moving,sage mode depends on natural energy,chakra isnt a problem,he is much faster than hashirama. How will flower world affect him if he turns his insides ti liquid?,he can open the ground,shoot kimi's bones up easily,summon mandaII to fight.
Nothing has been explained here,just you saying that hashi wins because he beat madara? Which is stupid as that logic dosent work in naruto. Edo hashirama lost to old hiruzen,who ems madara would beat,so that means madara beats hashi now?.
Hashirama has nothing to harm kabuto at all.
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Well good luck I have already explained this in the last 30 or so posts you can come in and do whatever, I will wait for USSJ you are just not worth my time. Bye.
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you cannot heal from a poison drug nullifying all your power and rendering you paralysed
no he didnt. mistranslation. search bar and then type in naruto misconceptions. hashirama is decades younger than madara. so madara has far far far more experience.
oh yeah its so OP. which is why TWO PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TANKED IT. pollen particles are living things. so kabuto can sense them in SM. and if not he can control the flowers with muki tensei. so theres really no way for it to get him. moreover he studied hashirama and knows his powers.
do you think he can make a poison to supress mokuton if he doesnt know what mokuton can do? he was the one who said that hashirama was a fairy tale when others heard about him.
he can not because he has not. in the hiruzen fight it took him a chapter to fill up the barrier.
scans of someone saying this?\
you cant be more wrong. uchihas were known for large chakra levels. senjus were known as being jacks of all trades in tai, nin and gen. thats what their name means. "thousand skills" = senju.
kabuto is a sensor. he can tell that hashirama's spread out his chakra evenly. not only is this a bad idea unless your a jinchuriki or madara but they arent the most durable clones. what feats suggest this? yamatos clone went down with one snake bite. madara's clones only survived hits because of susano cloak, and kcm clones survived hits because of chakra cloak/arms. kcm clones win every time. they have speed and offensive power which trumps any kind of enhanced durability. what good is defence if you cant catch your enemy? it takes more than brute toughness to win a fight.
kabuto has controlled a large cave but there seems to be no limitations on muki tensei except its deactivated by amaterasu.
and yet hasnt. nothing suggests he controls more than what the roof barrier was showing vs hiruzen. kabuto can control the roof itself and sink the forest.
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Healing without handseals is automatic. He does not need to move to heal his body would heal himself.
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It was not a mistranslation all versions have said the same thing. You are wrong.
Show me where it says Hashirama was decades younger. You can nit because you're lying like you always do. And Hashirama fought longer than Madara since Madara has no known battle after his fight with Hashirama where as Hashirama has trained and fought in wars.
Until you show me that Kabuto can tank the Flower world then he can not.
He said he was a fairy tale when people did not believe what they heard about them. He has studied but does not know his fighting technique nor his full capabilities.
It took him two pannels slowed down to show Hiruzen dodging the branches. And to show off his ability which was being shown for the first time.
Senju had large chakra reserves and powerful sage body.
Uchiha had powerful chakra and Sages eyes.
Get your shit right.
I'm done with this I already have shown you why he would win have fun being dumb..
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how do you know? did you see it in action? oro uses jutsus without seals but they sure as shit aint automatic.
chapter 559 "it seems that little brat nagato has grown". kishimoto "tobi and madara know each other"
and neither does hashirama. madara likely trained obito so he probably got back into shape during that period
hashirama died in the first shinobi great war. then his brother took over and died in that same war
i showed you already. kabuto studied hashirama so he'd know his moves. it is impossible to be poisoned if your whole body is water so that negates that. and kabuto can see the chakra/living energy inside the pollen due to sage mode. i mean its not hard to figure out he should dodge a massive cloud of chakra.
yeah people, not kabuto himself. what kabuto says next is "ill prove them all wrong" meaning hes successfully reproduced hashis full power.
if he doesnt know his techs how can he supress mokuton? its not hard to figure out "oh hashirama can use wood so his powers are wood related". tsunade knew about flower world. and kabuto actually wants to learn all he can about the guy to develop his poison.
first time we saw jinton, did it take as long? no. what about muki tensei?
senju are jakcs of all trades.
"千手一族, Senju Ichizoku; Literally meaning "Senju clan")
"The clan with a thousand skills" (「千の手を持つ一族」, "Sen no te o motsu ichizoku").
The Senju clan (千手一族, Senju Ichizoku) was a group of shinobi that was considered to be one of the strongest clans in the ninja world during the war-torn era before the founding of the hidden villages. The Senju clan descended from the younger of the two sons of the Sage of the Six Paths who was born with the "body" of the Sage. The Senju clan gained their fame in the era before the founding of the hidden villages. Where other clans focused on mastering one particular skill, the Senju were masters in all skills, from ninjutsu, to taijutsu, to genjutsu. Because of this, they were feared as "the clan with a thousand skills"
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Kabuto wins no doubt,moukton is useless to water body,mand 2 will mow down any trees in it's path,white rage will get hashirama,sound genjutsu will get hashi,muki will turn hashi's trees against him,bone forest will envelope any forest hashi has made,hashirama has no way to beat kabuto at all.
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kabuto would have a chance