Ppl think Tobi > Madara? What?

[Vin Thora]

Lets actually think about what you're saying. You say Edo Madara can counter Tobi's S/T by barraging him with clones etc. What you fail to realise is that Tobi is NOT going to stand in one place being intangible...:flaw:

Look at his fight with Minato. After initially trying to warp Minato, he teleported to where Minato was. In short, Tobi can rematerialse somewhere else, and then go intangible again, making him virtually intangible for the whole time. I have no clue why he didnt do that against Konan (plot hole!!). During the Minato fight, he teleported from Minato's mountain statue to outside Minato's house, proving he can teleport, and re-appear somewhere else. By the time Edo Madara redirects his attack towards Tobi's new position, Tobi becomes intangible again, therefore Tobi can remain intangible for virtually the whole of the fight. Remember he can only remain intangible for 5 mins AT A TIME. Once he re-appears, the clock resets. In conclusion, unless you have a S/T jutsu yourself, you aint touching Tobi.:sy:

So your argument about Edo Madara being able to barrage Tobi and outlast his 5 minute time limit is based on poor information which you derived from the manga. :sy:

Also, Minato was only able to escape Tobi's warp due to his own S/T jutsu (FTG). Edo Madara, as far as we know, doesnt have a similar jutsu. Furthermore, Tobi states that he'll warp Minato faster (chapter 502, pg.9) the next time they clash, implying theres a level 2 for his S/T, much like Minato's Flying Thunder Technique- Level 2 (Chapter 502, pg.16).

Tobi's S/T jutsu is one of the most effective, and downright haxxed jutsus in the Narutoverse, and Edo Madara, powerful as he is, doesnt have the skill-set to beat such a jutsu. Only an incredibly fast shinobi (4th Raikage, Naruto, maybe SM Jiraiya/Kabuto) or a shinobi who can perform an S/T jutsu can escape Tobi's warp. This is all without even taking into account the fact that Edo Madara will be SOOOO confused when Tobi does sneak up beind him (assuming no prior knowledge)

I rest my case, and I win. Period.

:noc:

 

[Jade Uchiha]

this was before tobi get the rinnegan son

plus tsunade broke madara susano with her own punch ( we talking about hax madara here rinnegan EMS and hashirama cells )

while tsunade dream about hitting tobi because she can't

no one can touch him untill now

madara is overrated

But he knew he was going to get rinnegan, he planned it out, and if it didn't go as planned he changed his tactics. So no matter whAt, rennigan was in his plan. So if he knew he'd have rennigan, why be so scared?
Plus, minato touch him, though I admit that was only because he was quicker than Tobi. Whether Madara is quicker than Tobi has not been proven yet.
Even so, he has to be tangible in order attack, such as when using his s/t jutsu, during which Madara DOES ave time to attack.

 

[hatake89]

pshh madara isnt stupid enough to get warped...and i sure hed figure out when to hit tobi just like minato did.. only problem would be to get close enough

 

[xlilyx]

In my opinion, I'd say Madara is stronger than Tobi. You never know, Tobi might turn out to be as OP as Edo Madara. xd That Uchiha is a beast.. O.O

 

[CrimsonH4ze]

tobi owns him the end. madara hasnt been shown to have amaterasu and all these other things you nobos claims e has so hop the f off his nuts. 7 bijuu, jinchuuriki with sharingan and rinnegan that are immortal, gedo mazo, intangibility, not to mention tobi's own powers n strengths is more than enough to crush madara with mid difficulty at most.

 

[TobisPawn]

I hear some ppl think Tobi can defeat Madara, and I find it ridiculous. My question to you all is, How do you figure?

Edit: Before you try to flame ( and fail horribly ) Read the thread. If you dont want to read it all, at least read from page 16+, pls. I pretty much proved Tobi's arsenal useless ( Gedo Mazo, 7 Bijuu ). Tobi's greatest tool is S/T jutsu, and how Madara can counter it. I literally gave several scenarios throughout the thread, just check em' out, you probably have to search for them. But they're there.

Funny, because a lot of us gave scenarios disproving all of Madara's techs too.

In my opinion, I'd say Madara is stronger than Tobi. You never know, Tobi might turn out to be as OP as Edo Madara. xd That Uchiha is a beast.. O.O

Well Tobi is the main villain here, not Madara.

 

[ShineOnYaMind]

I vote for Tobi, but it's pointless to argue. There is no proof in something that's pure speculation. They're both OP. This thread is like a bunch of kids playing with action figures fighting over what move kills the other instantly.

 

[TobisPawn]

I vote for Tobi, but it's pointless to argue. There is no proof in something that's pure speculation. They're both OP. This thread is like a bunch of kids playing with action figures fighting over what move kills the other instantly.

Even though I've been debating, this is sadly true.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

madara is overrated
people are dumb enough to realize how different edo madara comparing to real madara

real madara doesnt has rinnegan and hashirama cells

madara without rinnegan and hashirama cells
he doesn't stand a chance against current tobi who has sharingan and rinnegan
and is fast enough for madara the guy can control 7 bijus in one time

space time jutsu = no counter for it

Lol, I wouldn't call anyone dumb if I were you.

Madara had Rinnegan before his death.

 

[fudgecicles]

first off: to all those people who keep going on and on about tobi's warp/absorb ability and seem to think that it automatically means tobi will win, here's a news flash- all it does is move madara. it doesn't hurt him in any way. so all that would be doing is hiding madara away, which means he would be too scared to fight him. plus, i had the impression that tobi's little pocket dimension was in his eye, in which case if he put madara in there i would asume he would be surrounded by tobi's chakra, so charka drain, tobi lose.

second off: to those who talk about tobi using the abilities of the paths of pain, i don't he can. his six paths are unable to use them, and when Konan was explaining how it worked she said that the originator had access to the powers from all the paths. so: tobi's paths don't have the powers, so tobi has access to no powers. what i would asume, anyway. another way to back this up is that Sasuke reveals that the sharingan in his left eye has different powers from the one in his right. since the rennigan in an advanced form of the sharingan, wouldn't the same be true? so maybe tobi sacrificed the powers of the paths to be able to use the statue...

third off: i think madara could take control of the bijuu and the statue from tobi. think about it. first, since pein was sealing the beast in his own statue, and now they are in tobi's, we can asume they are the same statue. so no multiples. now, to take the bijuu, all madara would need to use is his sharingan. if you remember back to the fight between itachi and kakashi, itachi said that kakashi had no chance of standing up to his sharingan at all, since itachi had two and kakashi only had one. we apply that here, madara's sharingan is more powerful than tobi's, since he has two and tobi only has one. so his sharingan overpowers tobi's and takes the bijuu. as for the statue, since the renningan is basically an upgraded form of the sharingan, we can assume the same rules apply. thus, madara gets statue since his two renningan over power tobi's one.

fourth off: a lot of you seem to be underestimating one of madara's most powerful weapons, the sharingan. even if tobi did manage to warp him, if madara sees him with the sharingan it will memorize it for him, and he will be able to use it from then on as well. besides, i'm convinced that it is a sharingan power, since it focuses on his eye when he uses it, so since madara has the perfect sharingan(has to have it to get renningan) he very well might already no it. as for the intangible thing, he could probably learn it too, but even if he can't, the sharingan will still break it down and tell him everything about it, including its weaknesses, so he will be able to figure out a way to beat it.

fifth off: for all you going on about about how you can't defeat something you can't hit, your right. how could madara beat tobi when tobi's intangible, since he can't hit him? but then again, how could tobi beat madara when tobi's intangible, since he can't hit him? as soon as tobi tries to attack madara, madara can attack him. so it isn't an instant win for tobi. sorry.

so basically, madara can steal all of tobi's most powerful weapons and turn them against him. even if he can't steal the intangible thing, he will still be able to find a way around it.

in my opinion the best tobi can hope for is a tie, but i'm pretty sure that madara could win.

 

[oooog]

Lol, I wouldn't call anyone dumb if I were you.

Madara had Rinnegan before his death.

"shortly before my death" ie not in his prime

wait we are talking about madara in his prime right?

 

[Jade Uchiha]

second off: to those who talk about tobi using the abilities of the paths of pain, i don't he can. his six paths are unable to use them

remember back to the fight between itachi and kakashi, itachi said that kakashi had no chance of standing up to his sharingan at all, since itachi had two and kakashi only had one. we apply that here, madara's sharingan is more powerful than tobi's, since he has two and tobi only has one.

fourth off: a lot of you seem to be underestimating one of madara's most powerful weapons, the sharingan. even if tobi did manage to warp him, if madara sees him with the sharingan it will memorize it for him, and he will be able to use it from then on as well. besides, i'm convinced that it is a sharingan power, since it focuses on his eye when he uses it, so since madara has the perfect sharingan(has to have it to get renningan) he very well might already no it. as for the intangible thing, he could probably learn it too, but even if he can't, the sharingan will still break it down and tell him everything about it, including its weaknesses, so he will be able to figure out a way to beat it.

1st: the fact that Tobi is able to summon the statue as well as create six paths is prove that he has access to all abilities of the rennigan, though he might not be able to use them as well since the rennigan isn't his.

2nd: the fight between itachi and kakashi? What itachi meant is that kakashi isnt an uchiha as well as the fact as the sharingan is not his own eye. Not being his own eye alone makes it harder to resist itachis genjutsu, plus not being a uchiha, kakashi had a harder time using a borrowed sharingan than a normal uchiha. The same goes with Tobi and Madara. If tobi's sharingan is truly his then it doesn't matter if Madara has two, if tobi's ability to use sharingan is greater than Madara then Tobi wins the sharingan fight. As for rennigan, Madara overpowers Tobi because Tobi stole his rennigan.

Last:sharingan isn't able to mesmerize and break down ever jutsu, example kekkei genkkei. Plus if the user doesn't have the same abilities as the person he's copying then he can't copy the jutsu, example:Sasuke tried to copy lees taijutsu but he barely pulled it off because he didn't have the same abilities and training as lee did.

 

[Maunten]

We do not even know who tobi is. It does not seem as if he has been trying at all this whole time, non of his fights are seem serious. When ever fighters are pushed to their limits in naruto they say things like "too fast!!" or "This is bad" or "It can't be".

He is still treating naruto like a nuisance with phrases like "Damn you naruto", the guy is not even moving from his spot, using bijuu like his personal pets while he stands there watching..

Mean while we don't know how hashirama died, very well could have been by some fodder, but lets be real here, Hashirama is a legendary as close to the six sages sons as you are gonna get in terms of reputation. Even at age 100 is it even a viable theory, could you even overwhelm him with elites? He killed the uchiha's pride while he was wielding karuma.

 

[White Zetsu]

There is a reason Madara is dead and Tobi despite the millions of wrinkles which are on his face is still alive.

Fact is Tobi>Madara

Did you not see when Kabuto summoned Madara to intimidate Tobi???
Tobi asked Kabuto all these questions about edo tensei with no fear at all despite Kabuto having all of Akatsuki on his team and Madara and all the other powerful ninja.

 

[Bijuu13]

first off: to all those people who keep going on and on about tobi's warp/absorb ability and seem to think that it automatically means tobi will win, here's a news flash- all it does is move madara. it doesn't hurt him in any way. so all that would be doing is hiding madara away, which means he would be too scared to fight him. plus, i had the impression that tobi's little pocket dimension was in his eye, in which case if he put madara in there i would asume he would be surrounded by tobi's chakra, so charka drain, tobi lose.

second off: to those who talk about tobi using the abilities of the paths of pain, i don't he can. his six paths are unable to use them, and when Konan was explaining how it worked she said that the originator had access to the powers from all the paths. so: tobi's paths don't have the powers, so tobi has access to no powers. what i would asume, anyway. another way to back this up is that Sasuke reveals that the sharingan in his left eye has different powers from the one in his right. since the rennigan in an advanced form of the sharingan, wouldn't the same be true? so maybe tobi sacrificed the powers of the paths to be able to use the statue...

third off: i think madara could take control of the bijuu and the statue from tobi. think about it. first, since pein was sealing the beast in his own statue, and now they are in tobi's, we can asume they are the same statue. so no multiples. now, to take the bijuu, all madara would need to use is his sharingan. if you remember back to the fight between itachi and kakashi, itachi said that kakashi had no chance of standing up to his sharingan at all, since itachi had two and kakashi only had one. we apply that here, madara's sharingan is more powerful than tobi's, since he has two and tobi only has one. so his sharingan overpowers tobi's and takes the bijuu. as for the statue, since the renningan is basically an upgraded form of the sharingan, we can assume the same rules apply. thus, madara gets statue since his two renningan over power tobi's one.

fourth off: a lot of you seem to be underestimating one of madara's most powerful weapons, the sharingan. even if tobi did manage to warp him, if madara sees him with the sharingan it will memorize it for him, and he will be able to use it from then on as well. besides, i'm convinced that it is a sharingan power, since it focuses on his eye when he uses it, so since madara has the perfect sharingan(has to have it to get renningan) he very well might already no it. as for the intangible thing, he could probably learn it too, but even if he can't, the sharingan will still break it down and tell him everything about it, including its weaknesses, so he will be able to figure out a way to beat it.

fifth off: for all you going on about about how you can't defeat something you can't hit, your right. how could madara beat tobi when tobi's intangible, since he can't hit him? but then again, how could tobi beat madara when tobi's intangible, since he can't hit him? as soon as tobi tries to attack madara, madara can attack him. so it isn't an instant win for tobi. sorry.

so basically, madara can steal all of tobi's most powerful weapons and turn them against him. even if he can't steal the intangible thing, he will still be able to find a way around it.

in my opinion the best tobi can hope for is a tie, but i'm pretty sure that madara could win.

lol this whole post is full of wrong .. you wasted your time with this essay . Better luck next time, Tobi wins

 

[oooog]

lol this whole post is full of wrong .. you wasted your time with this essay . Better luck next time, Tobi wins

look at his post count. Its cute.

 

[Bijuu13]

look at his post count. Its cute.

That explains it all lol xd

 

[ShineOnYaMind]

Even though I've been debating, this is sadly true.

I should've given you and OP props though, debating is one thing, but all the this/that can't hit this guy that most ppl "debate" with is dumb, and I'm sure I even missed quite a few of your guys good posts. But I'm too lazy to sift (sp?) through 25+ pages just to find you and OP's (may be others, but you 2 were only ones I saw) factual posts.

Anything can happen on the battlefield and you guys have proven that both Tobi and Madara are a match for each other. I hope these 2 juggernauts fight each other, but as it stands, I give this one to Tobi solely on the fact that this has all been the product of his scheming for countless years.

 

[milesmccray]

i find this thread to be very educational thanks

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Space time jutsu and kidnap him? You can't beat what you can't hit or catch no matter how powerful you are.

Im pretty sure SO6P isnt faster than Minato
So you think Minato beat everyone else who is slower?

And if speed=cant be touch, how did Gaara beat Lee

I mean Lee was barely visible