Izanagi, Izanami, and Senju DNA

The Necromancer

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From the release of the latest chapter, 587, we see that apparently senju dna is not necessary to use izanagi, as nearly every uchiha member in the past used it to become powerful.

(if someone could show me how to post a spoiler and the whole page as a pic, that would be lovely. :) )

This seems to completely contradict what tobi has stated, namely, that Izanagi is a technique that only someone with the power of the uchiha, and the senju can utilize.



Now, my theory (as well as others i have seen) is that only a normal shinobi who has obtained uchiha and senju dna can use izanagi, while a full fledged uchiha can use either technique without the need for senju dna.

In other words

Normal shinobi + uchiha dna (sharingan) + senju dna = izanagi
Uchiha shinobi = izanagi

Weather this is a contradiction by Kishi or not has yet to be seen until we see another character or uchiha use izanagi or possibly izanami. But, if we can assume this is true, that leaves it to be questioned weather tobi is an uchiha or not.

My two personal favorite tobi theories are
A. Madara body split technique
B. Izuna uchiha.

However, as these are both uchiha, according to the latest chapter he would not need to have control over senju dna, as the sharingan would be enough. In conclusion, i believe that much like danzo, tobi is not an uchiha and so needs to have mastery over senju dna in order to use izanagi, which may also explain how tobi can keep his sharingan active and exposed almost indefinitely.
 

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This may be true but how do you know that all those Uchiha had not somehow gained Senju DNA?
 

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Yes there were a few threads on this today...
 
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Tobi may have just said that because he is not a Uchaia so he needs both. Or Kishi messed up.
 

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We dont know if they had Senju DNA or not yet. It was not said that the previous Uchiha didnt have any. They fought againt Senju more than any other clan, FYI.



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tobi clearly stated only those who has both uchiha and senju dna can use it.. and at that time obtaining senju dna would not be such a rare thing.. they can get it anytime they want...so for now, i will go with what tobi had said
 

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tobi clearly stated only those who has both uchiha and senju dna can use it.. and at that time obtaining senju dna would not be such a rare thing.. they can get it anytime they want...so for now, i will go with what tobi had said

That doesn't explain how itachi would have it. I doubt one technique uses it and the other doesn't. They're a pair.
 

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I think wat tobi said to konan bout izanagi was true cause tobi wouldn't lie after a lie otherwise he would expose himself as a lier, no wat im saying? The reason why itachi is able to use izanagi nd izanami is cause he has some senju dna planted into him by kabuto when he used zetsu nd hashirama cells on his edos nd zetsu army.
 

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What a trip to find out how Izanami so specifically detailed on how it works. I hope there is no interruption in the next chapter when he stops all Edo-tensei. Its gonna be an intense next chapter.
 

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That doesn't explain how itachi would have it. I doubt one technique uses it and the other doesn't. They're a pair.

itachi stated that the requirements needed for technique are already met may be kabuto has used those zetsu (which he asked from tobi) on his edos to boost there power may be itachi especially because he knows senju supplements uchihas with power
 
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