[Theory] How Kabuto Break Izanami

[NarutoKage2]

Itachi said that Izanami doesn't require any of the 5 senses. Touch is one of those senses. I think that the opponent only needs to be close.

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I think you misunderstood what i said. Getting trapped in Izanami did'nt require any of the 5 senses, yes, but what the loop in the Izanami is was determined by what happened prior to that physical contact.Or at least that's my theory. Do you understand my point now?

 

[MasterofJutsu]

Well my theory is that the first time Itachi turned into crows, took back the sword, made a dash at Kabuto and said 'Izanami' was the first step for activating the jutsu. That physical contact between Itachi's sword and Kabuto's hand was a condition for the jutsu to activate. I know Izanami did'nt start till a few chapters later, but lets put it this way: if that physical contact had never happened, Izanami could not have started. So physical contact was one of the pre requisites. Prep time is another. And basically, in essence, the sequence of events that happened prior to the physical contact when Itachi attacked Kabuto with the sword for the first time and said 'Izanami' , that sequence would become the loop. Get it?

Yeah, i know that's the part that itachi start to recording for izanami world, but izanami not started there.. physical contact with the victim maybe required in order to activate izanami, but my point is, how do u break izanami if u already trapped?

Kabuto thought He was in control, but if you just keep repeating the same over and over you are not in control.

So do u mean it's kind like a memory that itachi gave into kabuto's mind, but he can't act?? only see himself on that genjutsu world over and over again?

Itachi already stated the weakness or drawback of izanami is losing his light in his eye

Whether it can be categorized as a weakness? for me that's not a weakness, that's the price you must pay to activate that jutsu :sy:

 

[NarutoKage2]

Yeah, i know that's the part that itachi start to recording for izanami world, but izanami not started there.. physical contact with the victim maybe required in order to activate izanami, but my point is, how do u break izanami if u already trapped?

Well if the physical contact is avoided in the first place then there's no loop(according to my theory) so even if Izanami can be activated w/o using the victim's 5 senses it won't really work w/o a loop to repeat in.

OR if as Itachi says Izanami is a genjutsu, it should be possible to end it same way as all other genjutsus,i.e disturbing one's chakra flow.

 

[sgt]

good thinking, but perhaps it is because that reminds of when the loop will start. He is now right stuck into that loop that those ''two traps'' could be possibly the mark of when the loop starts. Remember, itachi is a genius when it comes to genjutsu. Back then when they went to rescue gara we never thought he could even do it by pointing his finger.. So i won't be surprised that he can just do it. Izanagi didnt need any trap. Just at the cost of your eyesight and perhaps izanami is getting stuck into a loop untill the destiny that itachi choose for him is decided by the person who the technique is beeing cast at. So shortly, kabuto must accept his fate in order to escape.

 

[Honord Sage]

Well somehow I decided to create an account to post my opinion here..

Welcome NB.. this is my first thread.

After having a little research on the latest chapter, I guess I find some clue how this izanami jutsu works.. Itachi just put some 'TRAPS' inside his izanami on kabuto in order to make 'LOOPING PROCESS' works..

So basically the jutsu started to work here (look after kabuto launched water jutsu, on the bottom left):

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After that the jutsu already casted and activated take a look at this.. itachi's white eye is in the real world while the double MS eyes was in the izanami world

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#The First Trap
In order to make the looping process works, itachi use two traps, and here's my guess for the first trap. take a look at the water that falls on kabuto's shoulder

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#The Second Trap
and here's the second trap that itachi set on kabuto, look at the feather that kabuto step

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guess what? after taking the two traps the looping process will worked, after kabuto stab itachi this would happen

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kabuto taking #The First Trap for the second time

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kabuto taking #The Second Trap for the second time (look at him he's looking at the feather, is he realized it?)

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AND THE LOOP IS HAPPENING AGAIN

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so, in order to break the izanami, kabuto should avoid/dodge the trap and stabbing itachi again, it would work!


EDIT : If it has nothing to do with that "two traps" I talking about, why kishi keep draw that panel even repeat & ZOOM AT IT. If it really has no meaning or use, kishi just can cut the crap of it and the story wouldn't change a bit. Unfortunately, he keep repeat & ZOOM AT IT. That's what I thinking about. I know everyone realize it but maybe just me thinking that's the key that mean something XD

Sorry for my bad english.


Anyway this is just my opinion. What do you think guys?

All this and next week if your theory goes kaput then what? Kabuto was never made by Kishi to be the all conquer in Hero or villain in the series, just a noter guy truing to be bad.

 

[Orochimagus]

Sure, Honored Sage, just another guy that lasted ten years while participating in many arcs. If he was just another guy he would have been dead like the rest of Akatsuki by now.

I do love your theory. Kabuto obviously still has free will by how the events change by minor details. Kabuto just needs to break the puzzle, and a guy like him can do it. Remember when Tsunade scrambled Kabuto´s nerves...That would have been the end of any other ninja.

 

[Honord Sage]

Sure, Honored Sage, just another guy that lasted ten years while participating in many arcs. If he was just another guy he would have been dead like the rest of Akatsuki by now.

I do love your theory. Kabuto obviously still has free will by how the events change by minor details. Kabuto just needs to break the puzzle, and a guy like him can do it. Remember when Tsunade scrambled Kabuto´s nerves...That would have been the end of any other ninja.

History puts losers as just a noter want to be tin plated dictator, with delusions of godhood. You are setting yourself for a big disappointment like the one that Kabuto can't be capture in a Genjutsu, that one failed did it not?!

 

[Ultimatevirus]

your theory is very fine.. but i dont think it would go like that

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

hmmm this is interesting... i personally think that izanami has been in effect since itachi first said it in chapter 581 before the flashback kishi used izanami on us lol . the whole point of izanami is for the user to decides one fates the only reason it keeps looping is beacuse kabuto has not chosen that fate ... thus never ending even if he kabuto avoid these "traps" different ones will appear and he'll take notice , you can't escape it , but im pretty sure there's a way , just got to wait and see. but maybe kabuto is scrwed ...only reason sasuke dodged izinagi is because he is a uchiha and danzo is not even itachi was surprised that sasuke survived that so just gotta wait and see.

 

[6PathsofKami]

hmmm this is interesting... i personally think that izanami has been in effect since itachi first said it in chapter 581 before the flashback kishi used izanami on us lol . the whole point of izanami is for the user to decides one fates the only reason it keeps looping is beacuse kabuto has not chosen that fate ... thus never ending even if he kabuto avoid these "traps" different ones will appear and he'll take notice , you can't escape it , but im pretty sure there's a way , just got to wait and see. but maybe kabuto is scrwed ...only reason sasuke dodged izinagi is because he is a uchiha and danzo is not even itachi was surprised that sasuke survived that so just gotta wait and see.

True but izanagi is used on yourself whilst izanami is used on the opponent. If danzo used izanami (if he knew how to use it) on sasuke it would have been over for him but ofcourse kishi wouldnt kill off sasuke -_-

 

[MasterofJutsu]

All this and next week if your theory goes kaput then what? Kabuto was never made by Kishi to be the all conquer in Hero or villain in the series, just a noter guy truing to be bad.

My theory failed? So what bro. This is only a prediction, am i ever said this is a fact? lol.. You can read bro, don't you? Hater gonna hate xd

True but izanagi is used on yourself whilst izanami is used on the opponent. If danzo used izanami (if he knew how to use it) on sasuke it would have been over for him but ofcourse kishi wouldnt kill off sasuke -_-

Sasuke survived Danzo's izanagi without the knowledge of it before. He analyze it while in fight.

 

[Tartarus]

good job picking up on those details +rep, if anything that dead crow we saw before the fight seems to predict a bad fate for Itachi

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[Frikid]

wow, i agree with the trap thingy, i didn't noticed it until now.!!

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

All this and next week if your theory goes kaput then what? Kabuto was never made by Kishi to be the all conquer in Hero or villain in the series, just a noter guy truing to be bad.

wrong... why?:
kabuto is currently under the spotlight in the manga , this means hes going to do something significant soon , like.... maybe kill itachi or summon madara too the battlefield hes at , relieving the kage....

also kishi even said kabuto will play a major role right up to the end of the story , and there is still a lot to cover , theres still gonna be about 60 chapters AT LEAST..

one other thing , the equivelant of 3 episodes of a fight this epic? not enough time , he did 6 chapters at a time on each fight , which means he will do the same AGAIN....

P.S. in folk law izanagi and izanami where two married god and godess... they are only unbeatable when TOGETHOR ,which means theres a trick too it, izanagi had a trick too it as shown by sasuke, so now its kabutos turn to troll the uchiha

thankyou very much

 

[kisamexRocks]

The only way Kabuto can break the loop is too end Edo Tensei. You can change the loop if it's going to keep happening, the loop actually started on Chapter 580 page 13, bottom left panel.

The loop will keep happening until Kabuto ends edo tensei, he cannot change anything, not the water drop or the feather step, its forced to happen, like how Kabuto's horn grew back, its forced to happen for the loop to continue. The water drop and feathers arent traps, they are there to help show the loop, like how Sasuke attacks with the fireball , its there for a loop. There are no traps its just a loop. It HAS to happen. Like how the sword was flying out of kabuto's hand and it was moving away in position from itachi to grab and attack him.

 

[Shady17]

Well the theory is crazy and it doesn't make any sense at all.

But you did good research and with the images of the water drop and feather, repeating i think you got something. If does events have minor importance why do we keep seeing them?

I like your theory.

 

[6PathsofKami]

My theory failed? So what bro. This is only a prediction, am i ever said this is a fact? lol.. You can read bro, don't you? Hater gonna hate xd



Sasuke survived Danzo's izanagi without the knowledge of it before. He analyze it while in fight.

Like I said izanami is used on the opponent so if it was used on sasuke he wont be able to analyse it, hed already be caught in the genjutsus.

 

[th1s1guysays]

Izanami's weakness is Izanagi. That's what I think

LMAO! ummm okay? highly doubt that

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Well somehow I decided to create an account to post my opinion here..

Welcome NB.. this is my first thread.

After having a little research on the latest chapter, I guess I find some clue how this izanami jutsu works.. Itachi just put some 'TRAPS' inside his izanami on kabuto in order to make 'LOOPING PROCESS' works..

So basically the jutsu started to work here (look after kabuto launched water jutsu, on the bottom left):

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After that the jutsu already casted and activated take a look at this.. itachi's white eye is in the real world while the double MS eyes was in the izanami world

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#The First Trap
In order to make the looping process works, itachi use two traps, and here's my guess for the first trap. take a look at the water that falls on kabuto's shoulder

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#The Second Trap
and here's the second trap that itachi set on kabuto, look at the feather that kabuto step

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Guess what? after taking the two traps the looping process will worked, after kabuto stab itachi this would happen

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Kabuto taking #The First Trap for the second time

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Kabuto taking #The Second Trap for the second time (look at him he's looking at the feather, is he realized it?)

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AND THE LOOP IS HAPPENING AGAIN

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So, in order to break the izanami, kabuto should avoid/dodge the trap and stabbing itachi again, it would work!


EDIT : If it has nothing to do with that "two traps" I talking about, why kishi keep draw that panel even repeat & ZOOM AT IT. If it really has no meaning or use, kishi just can cut the crap of it and the story wouldn't change a bit. Unfortunately, he keep repeat & ZOOM AT IT. That's what I thinking about. I know everyone realize it but maybe just me assuming that's the key that mean something XD

Sorry for my bad english.

Anyway this is just my opinion. What do you think guys?

This is a GENJUTSU. So if your not talking about awakening him from some outside force to break him out, this wont happen. Izanami is so OP that I highly doubt you can do ANYTHING to choose a different fate than the one that Izanami constantly replays. Even if he "killed" himself inside of his mind, he would literally just replay the scene again. Even if he just sat down and didnt move inside Izanami, nothing will end the loops until he literally does the Destiny chosen that is now implanted inside of his brain in the Izanami.

I doubt that you can break Izanami easier than you can break Itachi's other Genjutsu that doesnt require you to lose an eye to use. FYI




-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage

 

[Honord Sage]

Your prediction is as fatly as a 1 legged stole in a bar with a drunk on it not stable at all.