Kabuto vs Hashirama

[HiddenSound]

ok time for a long post on why kabuto wins this. Kabuto has a scroll of dead people

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he used to keep experiments in and presumably edo tensei sacrifices. Then he can use this

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to use them at his will. This isnt edo tensei so its allowed.
He knows various medical ninjutsu, even before absorbing karin. Such as chakra scalpel which is capable of slicing through tsunades muscles preventing her from using her strength

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and despite her efforts she couldnt dodge his next attack

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he has the ability to sense another medical ninja's chakra and her intent to kill

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he has soldier pills which recover chakra and stamina

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kabuto has demonstrated he has a good sense of using hiding like a mole technique to attack from under the ground.

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he even uses it to escape poison gas

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and despite being at a disadvantage of having no killer intent vs tsunade

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, he was handling and dodging all her attacks

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his skill with medic ninjutsu is also demonstrated when he uses this

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to keep fighting after injuries.
In addition to this he can use

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to reduce damage from attacks and begin healing afterwards. One must wonder how strong this jutsu is. With it kabuto has to accurately analyse a technique in seconds.
After getting a bit of oros powers, he was able to counter attacks from naruto and yamato in an instant.

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here kabuto demonstrates he knows how to basically turn into fire to either teleport or hide. Either way its useful in battle or escaping attacks.

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in addition to edo summons, kabuto has manda ii which is bigger stronger and has better senses than the original

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is impressive because original manda nearly stomped katsuyu), and with one bite, stopped the movement of an island sized turtle.

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here we see manda ii's true size. He isnt dwarfed by said turtle, and humans look like specks next to him even from a great distance.
By moving he smashes trees apart

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kabuto demonstrates he knows extensively about hashirama and zetsus power, thanks to oro i guess.

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most importantly he researched hashirama completely and developed a drug that suppresses mokuton

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this has its uses vs madara and danzo as well.

Logic would dictate he knows pretty much all of orochimarus techniques, firstly the ability to shed his skin and turn into a snake

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which blitzed and captured tenzo

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he can use hidden snake hands to restrain or bite his opponent

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oral regeneration

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and even formation of ten thousand snakes

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kabutos own snakes are large and powerful

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more clearly seen here where they are easily large enough to cover the length of half the cave

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to counter some genjutsu

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, kabuto can use his snakes' ability to perceive their surroundings through sensing the ambient temperatures and smells using their tongues

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kabuto can spread his chakra to his snakes

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kabuto developed a liquefication technique similar to suigetsu

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and the same page shows him healing from a scratch in an instant thanks to karins healing power.
He dodged susano arrow casually

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which even danzo and kakashi found difficult to counter, displaying incredible speed.
He dodged chidori spear as well

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and even itachis point blank sword thrust

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uchiha bros have pretty much been unable to do much of anything to him. Hes hardly even used his liquefying or healing.
Like tsunade he can render useless most injuries

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using his medical talent and enhanced senjutsu, he can use the ability of all the sound 5. With jirobo he was able to form a cavern in the ground. With kidomaru he used webbing even raiton enhanced swords cannot cut through.
With kimimaro he can skewer opponents on a sea of bones as well as form an unbreakable defence.
And with tayuya he even caught the uchiha bros in genjutsu momentarily.
Onto sage mode. Explaining it quickly,
the user's physical strength, speed, stamina, reflexes, and durability dramatically increase.
The user's ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu become more powerful.
Can harness the natural energy surrounding them, turning it into an extension of their body, which increases the reach of their attacks.
The ability to sense chakra around them.
Further access to snake anatomy
no known weakness exists for kabutos version as it seems to be perfect.
Using light and sound vibrations the sage art: White shock can paralyse and cause considerable pain to his opponent

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, even making them lose control of their jutsus. Itachi resisted it since he was already dead.
And one of the most dangerous techniques in his arsenal, muki tensei

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which controls his surroundings with nature chakra. Only able to be countered by the extreme heat of amaterasu.
And all this time hes never even tried to hurt sasuke

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in part 1 kabuto, who was only a bit older than itachi, was hailed as equal to kakashis strength

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tsunade admires him even more, suggesting kabuto may be better at medical ninjutsu than her own prime

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and according to him he is invincible and closer than anyone to rikudo sennin

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kabuto has a good sense of where to fight a battle, as seen here. Exceptional strategic skill.

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mix that in with his medical and scientific talent, and oros extensive studying and you have a person who knows alot about everyone. Not too many jutsus would surprise him.

Hashiramas trees are first blocked by the unbreakable webs and bone forest then jirobos earth release is able to form a doton wall. If he uses muki tensie in tandem he could control the very landscape on a huge scale. Kabutos demonstrated unimaginable speed. The uchiha bros have barely been able to hit him despite using yagata, amaterasu, susano arrow and swords. When fighting seriously kabuto completely blitzed even itachi whos seals were too fast for sharingan to follow. Following that up with formation of ten thousand snakes, kabuto uses hiding like a mole to get to where hashirama is, then fires white shock flashbang. Since kabuto can sense killer intent from fellow medical ninjas, hashirama will not surprise him with anything. Kabuto should know about flower tree world and would counter accordingly, either by hiding in manda ii or by hiding in the ground. Chakra scalpel is as good as any weapon once kabuto closes for close combat, wood vs snakes. But its not like he can do anything under sound genjutsu anyway. Darkness genjutsu is rendered totally useless by sm's sensing. Kabuto can take soldier pills if he gets in trouble, and liquefy/regenerate if hit by great forest technique.
Wood clones are troublesome at best.

Very impressive!

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

He said he was closer than anybody alive. And he already said that Hashirama was stronger than anybody else alive.

contradicting what he said earlier about how as long as he has edo tensei and senjutsu, hes invincible. meaning kabuto was speaking about other peoples opinions like dan's and onoki's. not his own.

Hashirama can fight blind no problem.

show me where this is demonstrated

Senju were known for it as well due to their sage body. The uzamaki were only an offshoot.

senju had no sage body at all. not once is this even implied in the slightest meaning you made it up. hashirama was born with especially strong bijuu supressing chakra and for some reason adding his power to your own makes you able to access izanagi and bijuu control. that evidently doesnt extend to every senju.
uzumakis were relatives of senju and they were the famous ones, who had special chakra and life force specifically longevity. and a talent for sealing jutsus which held down even kyuubi.

Hashirama had to fight to gain control of Kurama he had a little fight time with Kurama.

maybe kurama on his own because as minato says, madara cant summon him for very long.

And Madara said that Hashirama beat him.

no he didnt. not once has he ever said such a thing. meaning you made that up out of your ass.

If he had won by luck we would have heard about it.

like how we heard about how minato only barely beat tobi because he was a nanosecond faster, or how he would never have sealed kuubi without his wifes help, or how we heard how sasuke killed zabuza, and kakashi knows 1000 jutsu?

And Hashirama has better Mokuton. To say that he doesn't is just trolling.

hashirama has worse mokuton. madaras perfected it since hes had it for many years and gotten even more control over it as an edo.

Madara only has a small part of Hashirama (Madara siys himslef that its just a bit of power hanging on to him)

he said some power. not a bit of power. dont change the manga to suit your own bullshit agenda.

And Hashirama is a full living senju who was the creator and only natural ocuring user of it

yeah? well tobirama was a living senju and creator of edo tensie, and his version apparently sucked next to kabutos perfected version

 

[narutownsyouall]

contradicting what he said earlier about how as long as he has edo tensei and senjutsu, hes invincible. meaning kabuto was speaking about other peoples opinions like dan's and onoki's. not his own.

show me where this is demonstrated

senju had no sage body at all. not once is this even implied in the slightest meaning you made it up. hashirama was born with especially strong bijuu supressing chakra and for some reason adding his power to your own makes you able to access izanagi and bijuu control. that evidently doesnt extend to every senju.
uzumakis were relatives of senju and they were the famous ones, who had special chakra and life force specifically longevity. and a talent for sealing jutsus which held down even kyuubi.

maybe kurama on his own because as minato says, madara cant summon him for very long.

no he didnt. not once has he ever said such a thing. meaning you made that up out of your ass.

like how we heard about how minato only barely beat tobi because he was a nanosecond faster, or how he would never have sealed kuubi without his wifes help, or how we heard how sasuke killed zabuza, and kakashi knows 1000 jutsu?

hashirama has worse mokuton. madaras perfected it since hes had it for many years and gotten even more control over it as an edo.

he said some power. not a bit of power. dont change the manga to suit your own bullshit agenda.

yeah? well tobirama was a living senju and creator of edo tensie, and his version apparently sucked next to kabutos perfected version

He said with edo tensai. In this thread there is no edo's.

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Sages body. your a dumbass for not knowing.

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Madara was the one who was left near death and injured so bad he could not make a comeback. Stop trolling you can't accept manga facts then GTFO

Minato won due to skill it was not luck?
So Kushina helped?
Kakashi does know 1000 jutsu's.

How did that counter my point?

How many years longer has Madara had Mokuton?
he did not have it longer because he has been dead. Hashirama lived longer than Madara had mokuton.

He said "some" he did not say the same.

The reason Tobirama did not perfect it was because he died before he could or had ethical dillema's.

How does any of this have to do with Kabuto losing because he would. such a great TROLL but a terrible debater HAHA!

 

[Prime Rib]

ist hokage easy

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Hashirama can fight blind no problem.
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HASHIRAMA ISNT EVEN IN THAT PANEL. wtf did you post that for?

Sages body. your a dumbass for not knowing.

so because the originator of a clan can do something, that means EVERY SINGLE ONE of his descendants had it? even though the senjus were a mix of different clans and uzumakis, their relatives were the ones wiht the incredible life force that enabled kushina to survive bijuu extraction?

Madara was the one who was left near death and injured so bad he could not make a comeback

madara was the one who everyone thought was dead but he had more important things to be geting on with, like mastering the power he stole.

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and getting rinnegan. what point would there be in a comeback if the only thing he cares about is putting the world to sleep in moons eye plan

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tobi only came out because he needed a war to draw out the last of the bijuus. had everything gone according to plan tobi would have carried out his whole plan in the shadows and madara would return with rinne tensei.

Minato won due to skill it was not luck?

it was luck tobi decided to try the same trick and warp minato rather than staying intangible a moment longer like how he tricked torune and fu by pretending to attack but really was just faking it

So Kushina helped?

yes

Kakashi does know 1000 jutsu's.

name 10 and ill believe you

How many years longer has Madara had Mokuton?

he acquired it in their battle

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and didnt die till either nagato's childhood or just before tobi appeared. it might have been him controlling the mizukage

Hashirama lived longer than Madara had mokuton.

ive already stomped that theory.
hashirama was give or take 30 years old when he became 1st hokage. can you live with that? several years pass between that event and madaras defection. because onoki was small when talking to 1st tsuchikage about the hokage mountain face, but around a teen when fighting madara. so give or take 12 or 13 when madara vs muu and onoki happens and subsequently madara ruling kyuubi and attacking konoha. hiruzen is stated as 69 in the databook and he was around 10 years old when hashirama and tobirama trained a genin team

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so madaras defection was around 60 years ago.
hashirama was said by tsunade to have died too early. so he was probably fairly young and had only been hokage for a few years before passing it onto his brother in the 1st world war.
so i think hashirama senju was 35 when he died and passed the title to his brother.
during that war tobirama had time to form the police, academy and anbu as well as die when hiruzen was around a teenager

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hiruzen was hokage in his young teens. and its said he ruled till 16 years ago. the timeline demands during that space of 45 or so years, madara was still alive. as it is he looks pretty young in the onoki flashback, younger than 30. i say madara was 23-25 in the final duel with hashirama.
jiraiya was i think 12 when hiruzen was now 26 training his genin team.
so if jiraiya is 51 in part 1 (databook), then he was 39 when kyuubi attacked.
hiruzen was 53. hiruzen is 14 years older than jiraiya.
and i say he found nagato in his late 20s. same with minato.
yahiko was said to have died when he was in his late 20s.
nagato is 7 years old when jiraiya found him and 10 when he left him.
if theres 23 years between jiraiya finding frog mountain and kyubii attack, then jiraiya must have found nagato 12 years after finding frog mountain as a 12 year old. 27 when he left the orphans.

if madara knew nagato as a child then he had 49 years between tobirama's death and jiraiya discovering nagato to train up the portion of power hed stolen from hashirama senju. and i think hashirama died at 35. given i said madara was already 25 in the final duel, then madara had mokuton for 49 years and was 74 when he acquired rinnegan

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and gave it to nagato before jiraiya could find him.

The reason Tobirama did not perfect it was because he died before he could or had ethical dillema's.

i dont care about his reasons.

 

[Baku of Netherwind]

I think Kabuto takes this extremely high difficulty though. It seems that Kabuto is pretty much invulnerable against physical attacks, however if Hashirama manages to get a Genjutsu going then he'll take this one.

I feel that Kishi has made Kabuto slightly too OP, it seems to be going in the direction of Aaang vs Ozi where there is no physical way to beat him(although he could of), only through some special emotive powers.

 

[narutownsyouall]

HASHIRAMA ISNT EVEN IN THAT PANEL. wtf did you post that for?

so because the originator of a clan can do something, that means EVERY SINGLE ONE of his descendants had it? even though the senjus were a mix of different clans and uzumakis, their relatives were the ones wiht the incredible life force that enabled kushina to survive bijuu extraction?

madara was the one who everyone thought was dead but he had more important things to be geting on with, like mastering the power he stole.

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and getting rinnegan. what point would there be in a comeback if the only thing he cares about is putting the world to sleep in moons eye plan

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tobi only came out because he needed a war to draw out the last of the bijuus. had everything gone according to plan tobi would have carried out his whole plan in the shadows and madara would return with rinne tensei.

it was luck tobi decided to try the same trick and warp minato rather than staying intangible a moment longer like how he tricked torune and fu by pretending to attack but really was just faking it

yes

name 10 and ill believe you

he acquired it in their battle

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and didnt die till either nagato's childhood or just before tobi appeared. it might have been him controlling the mizukage

ive already stomped that theory.
hashirama was give or take 30 years old when he became 1st hokage. can you live with that? several years pass between that event and madaras defection. because onoki was small when talking to 1st tsuchikage about the hokage mountain face, but around a teen when fighting madara. so give or take 12 or 13 when madara vs muu and onoki happens and subsequently madara ruling kyuubi and attacking konoha. hiruzen is stated as 69 in the databook and he was around 10 years old when hashirama and tobirama trained a genin team

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so madaras defection was around 60 years ago.
hashirama was said by tsunade to have died too early. so he was probably fairly young and had only been hokage for a few years before passing it onto his brother in the 1st world war.
so i think hashirama senju was 35 when he died and passed the title to his brother.
during that war tobirama had time to form the police, academy and anbu as well as die when hiruzen was around a teenager

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hiruzen was hokage in his young teens. and its said he ruled till 16 years ago. the timeline demands during that space of 45 or so years, madara was still alive. as it is he looks pretty young in the onoki flashback, younger than 30. i say madara was 23-25 in the final duel with hashirama.
jiraiya was i think 12 when hiruzen was now 26 training his genin team.
so if jiraiya is 51 in part 1 (databook), then he was 39 when kyuubi attacked.
hiruzen was 53. hiruzen is 14 years older than jiraiya.
and i say he found nagato in his late 20s. same with minato.
yahiko was said to have died when he was in his late 20s.
nagato is 7 years old when jiraiya found him and 10 when he left him.
if theres 23 years between jiraiya finding frog mountain and kyubii attack, then jiraiya must have found nagato 12 years after finding frog mountain as a 12 year old. 27 when he left the orphans.

if madara knew nagato as a child then he had 49 years between tobirama's death and jiraiya discovering nagato to train up the portion of power hed stolen from hashirama senju. and i think hashirama died at 35. given i said madara was already 25 in the final duel, then madara had mokuton for 49 years and was 74 when he acquired rinnegan

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and gave it to nagato before jiraiya could find him.

i dont care about his reasons.

1. Hashirama is in the dark hitting Hiruzen, see next panel.

Tobi lost and ran like a bitch, Minato has more skill.

Kakashi: shadow clone jutsu, clone jutsu, Raikari, dog summons, great waterfall jutsu, Water dragon jutsu, Lightning chain, lightning beast running jutsu, Substitution jutsu, Kumai, rasengan,

That's Tobi and not Madara.

No everything you have said is bullshit because its all your speculation and not fact. You do not have any proof. Your timeline is BS.

 

[Shiny Scrafty]

Hashirama would rape the shit out of Kabuto.
The 1st is the only one that can handle Madara.
Being the only one Madara calls his "competition", so yeah.

EDIT: How the ****. Can you compare the First. With some guy. That thinks he's the shit. I don't give a Fuuuck what's the reason. You guys are just giving Kabuto too much credit since he can do Sage mode. I've noticed that on every thread, you guys praise him about how he can do Sage mode and find out his opponent's weakness etc. Anyways, think about it. Kabuto. The First. I don't even know why Kabuto could even compare to power like that.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Tobi lost and ran like a bitch, Minato has more skill.

tobi won and killed minato and kushina with his summon. minato killed himself like an emo bitch because he didnt want to raise naruto alone. tobi got up like nothing happened and his only reason for being there was removed from control.

. Anyways, think about it. Kabuto. The First. I don't even know why Kabuto could even compare to power like that

because you havent read the manga. kabuto can and does compare to hashirama now.

Kakashi: shadow clone jutsu, clone jutsu, Raikari, dog summons, great waterfall jutsu, Water dragon jutsu, Lightning chain, lightning beast running jutsu, Substitution jutsu, Kumai, rasengan,

subsitution is a basic academy jutsu. so is clones. ill give you rasengan, earth release and lightning release. but thats barely 15 at the most. and kakashis had more fights than anyone in the series barring the obvious two lead heroes

The 1st is the only one that can handle Madara.

thats no longer true. it was in hashirama's time. unless you think BM naruto, tobi, gaara and prime nagato would lose to EMS madara.

Hashirama would rape the shit out of Kabuto.

kabuto says
hakugei no jutsu.
then runs in to cut hashirama's head off with chakra scalpel. what then?

No everything you have said is bullshit because its all your speculation and not fact.

and i suppose you have facts? oh wait..no...you dont. unless kishi gives us official ages and timelines what am i supposed to do?

 

[Shiny Scrafty]

@USSJ Future Trunks

1.) (Not my concern)
BUT,
Minato does have a little more skill than Tobi.

2.) No he doesn't, if he is scared to face Tobi, he's scared to face Madara. That means, he's probably scared to face the First Hokage. All of them would beat him.

3.) (Not my concern)

4.) Naruto/Nagato/Tobi would be a good match for Madara, Gaara would loose. I was really talking about when both The 1st and Madara alive at the time.

5.) You seriously think. That the First. Hokage. Would let him cut his head off?

6.) (Not my concern)

Basicly, you guys are giving too much credit to Kabuto since he can turn into a Human Dragon Snake. I'm tired of that.

 

[Just L]

hashirama lol

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

No he doesn't, if he is scared to face Tobi, he's scared to face Madara. That means, he's probably scared to face the First Hokage

that makes no sense. tobi > madara > first hokage. and just cos your scared of one doesnt mean your scared of another. people dont know how theyd fare till they actually try anyway.

5.) You seriously think. That the First. Hokage. Would let him cut his head off?

while blind and having his bones feel like they are grinding together, yes i do

 

[narutownsyouall]

tobi won and killed minato and kushina with his summon. minato killed himself like an emo bitch because he didnt want to raise naruto alone. tobi got up like nothing happened and his only reason for being there was removed from control.

because you havent read the manga. kabuto can and does compare to hashirama now.

subsitution is a basic academy jutsu. so is clones. ill give you rasengan, earth release and lightning release. but thats barely 15 at the most. and kakashis had more fights than anyone in the series barring the obvious two lead heroes

thats no longer true. it was in hashirama's time. unless you think BM naruto, tobi, gaara and prime nagato would lose to EMS madara.

kabuto says
hakugei no jutsu.
then runs in to cut hashirama's head off with chakra scalpel. what then?

and i suppose you have facts? oh wait..no...you dont. unless kishi gives us official ages and timelines what am i supposed to do?

Tobi did not win. Your an idiot. He ran away like a bitch. And he lost control of his summon. They died by choice. (not Tobi's choice)

Can Kabuto beat Madara and Kurama togrther? NO. He is not on Hashirama's level.

Stop getting off subject kakashi is not fighting.

Hashirama could just do nativity trees.

Your timeline is BS unless you have been talking to kishi yourself. You can not use complete speculation on this.

 

[Shiny Scrafty]

that makes no sense. tobi > madara > first hokage. and just cos your scared of one doesnt mean your scared of another. people dont know how theyd fare till they actually try anyway

If The Fist could beat Madara WITH the Nine Tailed Fox, and Kabuto can't beat Madara alone, how the Fuuuck could he beat the First?

You guys, are just making BS with all this "Kabuto would beat everyone" stuff.
NO i'm not saying you guys said that.
In every Kabuto vs/someone else thread, you guys think Kabuto's the shit now.
Newsflash, he isn't and he never will be.
._____.

 

[Stark]

Hashirama

 

[TheSages456]

this thread is just LOL. hashirama wins obviously. hashirama uses the flower tree world. the end.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

hashirama uses the flower tree world.

kabuto uses white aggravation or sound genjutsu. and if you want to know which forms faster, its white aggravation.
also considering kabuto withstood that kind of jutsu which affects even the user, why wouldnt he be able to sense and take control of the nature energy in the trees? furthermore he has a drug that specifically suppresses hashiramas power.

If The Fist could beat Madara WITH the Nine Tailed Fox

good thing he cant. also we dnot know what happened in that fight. maybe he barely beat madara while nearly dying, due to pure luck. also he had control over the fox, not madara. minato said if tobis madara then he has a short time limit before the fox breaks the genjutsu and roams free.

Kabuto can't beat Madara alone, how the Fuuuck could he beat the First?

because a b c logic doesnt apply in narutoverse? suigetsu doesnt have kage level chakra but kages cant defeat him because of his unique ability. madaras part of kabutos power so your basically asking him to fight his own puppet. we still havent seen everything kabutos capable of. he blitzed itachi and sasuke who are equal to ems madara at worst, possibly superior to him.

Newsflash, he isn't and he never will be.

your opinion, and we are free to ignore yours.

Tobi did not win. Your an idiot. He ran away like a bitch. And he lost control of his summon. They died by choice. (not Tobi's choice)

he murdered kushina the moment he ripped kyuubi out of her. and no matter what minato was going to die the moment that happened as there wasnt a way he could have sealed kurama back up in naruto without killing himself. it wasnt physically possible. he didnt run. he just warped away and watched his summon kill everyone. he had no reason to stay now that he wasnt in control anyway. minato hit him but did not badly hurt him. it was barely a fight and tobi didnt use any of his stronger jutsus.

an Kabuto beat Madara and Kurama togrther? NO. He is not on Hashirama's level

you fail to understand this isnt dbz. just because you cannot defeat madara and kurama doesnt mean you automatically must be inferior to shodai who btw did not do that. he didnt defeat madara the way everyone thought. evidence of that is madara surviving that fight. so who knows what actually happened if the way it happened isnt known to anyone but madara and maybe mito? kushina claimed hashirama gained control over the fox during the fight. according to minato madara cant maintain control over it for very long. so about halfway through the fight, it became kurama hashirama and mito vs madara alone.
this bullshit logic fails especially in the narutoverse where different people can defeat "higher level" people with the correct ability or strategy.
kisame lost to gai and bee lost to kisame. this doesnt mean gai can beat bee.
sasuke defeated itachi who beat oro who beat the third. but im leaving out the circumstances and situation of each of those fights. so just claming hebi sasuke > hiruzen based on this logic is bullshit. because obviously it didnt go down that simple. and if we know about kishis writing, there was some catch or reason why hashirama had the upper hand. does kabuto have a unique ability to control bijuus? no he does not. hashirama had the right set of abilities to handle a fight like that.

Your timeline is BS unless you have been talking to kishi yourself. You can not use complete speculation on this.

everything you said is BS unless you talked to kishi. dont use speculation. see? i can do it too. you used speculation by claiming kabuto automatically loses cos he cant take on madara and kurama by himself

 

[narutownsyouall]

kabuto uses white aggravation or sound genjutsu. and if you want to know which forms faster, its white aggravation.
also considering kabuto withstood that kind of jutsu which affects even the user, why wouldnt he be able to sense and take control of the nature energy in the trees? furthermore he has a drug that specifically suppresses hashiramas power.

good thing he cant. also we dnot know what happened in that fight. maybe he barely beat madara while nearly dying, due to pure luck. also he had control over the fox, not madara. minato said if tobis madara then he has a short time limit before the fox breaks the genjutsu and roams free.

because a b c logic doesnt apply in narutoverse? suigetsu doesnt have kage level chakra but kages cant defeat him because of his unique ability. madaras part of kabutos power so your basically asking him to fight his own puppet. we still havent seen everything kabutos capable of. he blitzed itachi and sasuke who are equal to ems madara at worst, possibly superior to him.

your opinion, and we are free to ignore yours.

he murdered kushina the moment he ripped kyuubi out of her. and no matter what minato was going to die the moment that happened as there wasnt a way he could have sealed kurama back up in naruto without killing himself. it wasnt physically possible. he didnt run. he just warped away and watched his summon kill everyone. he had no reason to stay now that he wasnt in control anyway. minato hit him but did not badly hurt him. it was barely a fight and tobi didnt use any of his stronger jutsus.

you fail to understand this isnt dbz. just because you cannot defeat madara and kurama doesnt mean you automatically must be inferior to shodai who btw did not do that. he didnt defeat madara the way everyone thought. evidence of that is madara surviving that fight. so who knows what actually happened if the way it happened isnt known to anyone but madara and maybe mito? kushina claimed hashirama gained control over the fox during the fight. according to minato madara cant maintain control over it for very long. so about halfway through the fight, it became kurama hashirama and mito vs madara alone.
this bullshit logic fails especially in the narutoverse where different people can defeat "higher level" people with the correct ability or strategy.
kisame lost to gai and bee lost to kisame. this doesnt mean gai can beat bee.
sasuke defeated itachi who beat oro who beat the third. but im leaving out the circumstances and situation of each of those fights. so just claming hebi sasuke > hiruzen based on this logic is bullshit. because obviously it didnt go down that simple. and if we know about kishis writing, there was some catch or reason why hashirama had the upper hand. does kabuto have a unique ability to control bijuus? no he does not. hashirama had the right set of abilities to handle a fight like that.

everything you said is BS unless you talked to kishi. dont use speculation. see? i can do it too. you used speculation by claiming kabuto automatically loses cos he cant take on madara and kurama by himself

Flower world beats him. you did not even come up with a good counter. How is he going to administer it? He would be asleep.

More of your speculation.

More speculation. We clearly saw how Tobi got beat and ran with his tail between his legs.

More speculation. It has been stated that he had beat Madara. Madara said that the first was his only true match.

You seem to think that Kabuto would win because he is better and his abilities will help him. Tell me how he is going to get past the flower world or deal with clones. How is he going to administer the drug when he is asleep or does not know which Hashirama is the real one? Kabuto can not. Hashirama wins.

And dont come up with a time line just to make your stuff valid, its not.

Hashirama wins every time.

 

[naruttebayo]

hard to say , i believe kabuto .

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Flower world beats him. you did not even come up with a good counter. How is he going to administer it? He would be asleep.

flower world failed to beat onoki as i keep pointing out. and it doesnt take effect immediately nor can be created in an instant like immortal unlimited hashidara can

We clearly saw how Tobi got beat and ran with his tail between his legs.

we saw him get hit and hurt a little bit then retreat only because he had no reason to stay since kurama had been separated from his control. tobis smarter than to fight pointless battles. he didnt run when he was hit by konan.

It has been stated that he had beat Madara. Madara said that the first was his only true match.

no he didnt. he said the fight with hashirama was more epic than his "kids game" with kages. its also stated sasuke beat itachi but you forget the circumstances of how that went. deidara captured gaara but you ignore the circumstances. so just cos he won proves nothing.
we dont know what happened.

Tell me how he is going to get past the flower world or deal with clones. How is he going to administer the drug when he is asleep or does not know which Hashirama is the real one?

hashirama can only make one clone. defeat that and obviously the one hes sensing is the real one. tell me why kabuto would fall for flower world when hes studied all of hashis abilities and has the power to kill him hard and fast before hashirama uses it?

Hashirama wins every time.

more speculation.
we have not seen him fight