misbeliefs/facts/fiction with proof

[wildstorm]

Hello Guys !!
This is going to be a long post,make sure you have some time...

1) Minato Sage Mode
Some days ago, this was one of the most debated topic.
a)As we all know, only 3 ninjas have been able to have a contract with toads,& naruto and Jiraiya have shown to have sage mode.so instead of saying: its logical that minato also had sage mode, we can say: why can he not have a sage mode ?
b)During naruto vs Pein, check this page & the next page:

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What that toad meant, was that naruto's sage mode(ie his senjutsu abilities) has surpassed those who came before him, ie minato & jiraiya.so Minato indeed had a sage mode.(because if naruto surpassed minato's sage mode,it means minato had a sage mode,right?)
c)Some people often say if he had sage mode then why didn't he use it ? Well, if you go through those naruto(sage mode training) chapters, you'll see that the toad specifically meant that sage mode requires stillness to accquire the natural energy & during Minato's fight with Tobi or with A/B, he had no time to spare for getting into Sage mode.
summary: Although this might not be enough to prove that minato had a sage mode(because it isn't 100% true unless manga shows it), but it all will come handy against anyone who trys to prove that :Minato doesn't have sage mode.

2)Minato just has rasengan & FTG....
Now thats just lame.He was a hokage, & he knew much more jutsus that that...check this out:

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Minato had forbidden those scrolls & he must know those jutsus inside the scroll.
Even this one :

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All of those scrolls might not be forbidden,but that shows how much information the hokage's chamber has(indirectly, a hokage has).Moreover,minato knew lots of sealing techniques,which has already been said by Kushina.
Summary: This is enough proof already,& its directly from manga.

3)the name 'Madara' started the 4th shinobi war
Thats wrong....I'd say it triggered the war...Joint Shinobi alliance was created because 7 jinchuriki had already been taken down..However, it did make them take decisions faster....but even if he hadn't declared himself as madara,nothing would've changed,except that war would've started a bit late...
summary: so its wrong to say: If tobi hadn't declared himself as madara, war wouldn't have started

4)Edo tensei
I've seen lots of people here saying: kabuto can stop edo tensei,he get out of izanami & then he can just reactivate edo tensei & continue....Also is the 'vs' threads, when it comes to kabuto,some just say that he'll do edo tensei & he wins...thats really horrible.
Edo tensei requires bodies to summon the desired souls into....& its not possible to bring an army of edos just by closing his palms...it requires too much preparation.
summary: edo tensei should be out of question in the 'vs' threads,but for his fanboys..I guess 2 summons max can be done in 'vs' threads using edo tensei.

One more thing, in vs threads, when we say edo 'x' vs someone,I think its totally unfair.'Edo' power isn't obtained by the ninja 'x',its rather someone else controlling that ninja....so its completely unfair when we do such fights.Either keep both as edo or keep none.

5) Izanami
Lots of threads already going on about this.
My view is that Izanami could be done just because itachi was in edo form, or can be done just once in normal form.if you remember,itachi said that: "weakness of edo tensei is me" so I feel that him being an edo,has a lot to do with 'izanami'.i think that after using izanami once,the user loses his life,but as itachi is edo, he gets revived again, & does izanami again...thereby going into an infinite loop, & he'll continue to do this until kabuto stops edo tensei.
Summary: Incomplete knowledge of the jutsu....better to wait for next chapter.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Geez, you care that much to make all this?

 

[Neji360]

1. Well said I agree
2. True
3. Sort of agree
4. I agree
5. When you use Izanami you go blind, you don't die

 

[Wes Sine]

Whatever

 

[GreyWizard93]

Hmm, interesting. =)

 

[Scooby Doo]

1.I dont think Minato had a sage mode , until its not proven .That Naruto surpassed his predecessors can mean that he acquired sage mode which Minato didnt.+ he has already surpassed him with rasenshuriken
2.Agree but that scroll forbidden by the previous hokage can refer to the 2nd considering that it was reported to the 3rd
3.Agree
4.Agree
5.Agree with Neji360 : u go blind when use izanami not die

 

[HotShot]

1-No
2-Agree
3-Agree
4-Agree
5-No

By the way-Nice thread

 

[Biju Hunter]

Well,i agree but i do not believe that Izanami takes your life.
Anyway good thread five stars from me *****

 

[Joon]

1. False, it was stated by Pa', if not mistaken, that only Jiraiya was able to incompletely use Sage Mode, while Naruto would later on complete it. Minato was never mentioned. However, Minato could possibly use the same method as Jiraiya.

You also miss comprehended what was said by the toad. He was referring to the Naruto of mastering Sage Mode signified that he surpassed his previous predecessors (e.i Minato and Jiraiya). It was not confirmed or stated that Minato had Sage Mode, but if he did not master it at a level that Jiraiya then Naruto has simply passed him. It was only seen and said when seeing Sage Mode did these ever could be the case. However, it is still unknown or can be debatable.

2. It is possible to assume that Minato had other Jutsu, but their is no proof to confirm it. Yes, he does have FTG, Rasengan and Fuuinjutsu, but that is all we know from him and nothing else can say that he had more.

The scroll part was somewhat stated to all the Hokage. Not just Minato if you say. However, most Jutsu needs a lot of chakra to use and/or some was Forbidden to even use. It was stated, but what else can we interpret that was said from Part 1 of Naruto to Part 2 that has change.

3. These was already known and stated by Onooki to confirm it.

4. Actually, Edo Tensei is stupid to have in a Vs. Thread. Yes, it is Kabuto's power or part of his arsenal, but it takes time and preparation which you do not have in battle. It also makes the User (e.g. Orochimaru and Kabuto) win by default which is not worthy of a Vs. Thread and many would just give simple answers and not debate.

5. That's debatable. However, it is still good to wait for more information.

 

[Scooby Doo]

1. False, it was stated by Pa', if not mistaken, that only Jiraiya was able to incompletely use Sage Mode, while Naruto would later on complete it. Minato was never mentioned. However, Minato could possibly use the same method as Jiraiya.

You also miss comprehended what was said by the toad. He was referring to the Naruto of mastering Sage Mode signified that he surpassed his previous predecessors (e.i Minato and Jiraiya). It was not confirmed or stated that Minato had Sage Mode, but if he did not master it at a level that Jiraiya then Naruto has simply passed him. It was only seen and said when seeing Sage Mode did these ever could be the case. However, it is still unknown or can be debatable.

2. It is possible to assume that Minato had other Jutsu, but their is no proof to confirm it. Yes, he does have FTG, Rasengan and Fuuinjutsu, but that is all we know from him and nothing else can say that he had more.

The scroll part was somewhat stated to all the Hokage. Not just Minato if you say. However, most Jutsu needs a lot of chakra to use and/or some was Forbidden to even use. It was stated, but what else can we interpret that was said from Part 1 of Naruto to Part 2 that has change.

3. These was already known and stated by Onooki to confirm it.

4. Actually, Edo Tensei is stupid to have in a Vs. Thread. Yes, it is Kabuto's power or part of his arsenal, but it takes time and preparation which you do not have in battle. It also makes the User (e.g. Orochimaru and Kabuto) win by default which is not worthy of a Vs. Thread and many would just give simple answers and not debate.

5. That's debatable. However, it is still good to wait for more information.

Kakashi said to Naruto when he taught Naruto fuuton that Minato originally intended to add his own chakra nature to rasengan so Minato could use at least one element which means he could perform jutsus of that element IMO

 

[Joon]

Kakashi said to Naruto when he taught Naruto fuuton that Minato originally intended to add his own chakra nature to rasengan so Minato could use at least one element which means he could perform jutsus of that element IMO

That is true, but what element was he going to infuse. No one knows or can confirm it. For all we know, he could had the Katon Nature, Raiton Nature, etc. So, until it is confirmed, Minato has no Elemental Nature.

 

[Scooby Doo]

That is true, but what element was he going to infuse. No one knows or can confirm it. For all we know, he could had the Katon Nature, Raiton Nature, etc. So, until it is confirmed, Minato has no Elemental Nature.

Isnt it enough that Kakashi said it? He was Minatos pupil after all...plus its presumable that a hokage has an element mastered. Kakashi or Yamato also said that by the time theyre jounins the ninjas usually can use two elements.

 

[iSpeak]

Number 4 is completly wrong. How can you say Kabuto can't have Edo Tensei because it requires preperation? Once the preperation is done for the first time, all he needs to do is clap his hands and they are summoned every time afterwards.
Its like saying Jiraiya can't use summons because he needs to make a contract before he can summon them.
Its like saying Sasori can't use his human puppets because he needs to turn the humans into puppets before he can use it.
Its like saying Naruto can't use the 9 tails chakra because it needs to be sealed inside him before he can use it.
That is complete nonsense.
Edo Tensei shouldn't be out of Vs threads because its part of his own Arsenal wether you like it or not. Stop trying to take away from them.

 

[wildstorm]

Number 4 is completly wrong. How can you say Kabuto can't have Edo Tensei because it requires preperation? Once the preperation is done for the first time, all he needs to do is clap his hands and they are summoned every time afterwards.
Its like saying Jiraiya can't use summons because he needs to make a contract before he can summon them.
Its like saying Sasori can't use his human puppets because he needs to turn the humans into puppets before he can use it.
Its like saying Naruto can't use the 9 tails chakra because it needs to be sealed inside him before he can use it.
That is complete nonsense.
Edo Tensei shouldn't be out of Vs threads because its part of his own Arsenal wether you like it or not. Stop trying to take away from them.

First thing,Once Jiraiya makes contract,he can summon the toads anytime,anywhere. once sasori turns humans into puppets,he can use them anytime,anywhere.same for naruto, he can use nine tails chakra any where ,anytime.
But thats NOT the case for edo tensei...It requires a certain procedure ,preparation to do edo tensei EVERYTIME, & certainly not just clapping his hand.
secondly,in VS threads, the ninjas are expected to be in the state last shown in manga,unless specified otherwise.so your point about naruto,sasori & Jman is baseless. I'm not saying to remove edo tensei from kabuto's arsenal,but the way people spam edo tensei in VS threads,is lame.

 

[iSpeak]

First thing,Once Jiraiya makes contract,he can summon the toads anytime,anywhere. once sasori turns humans into puppets,he can use them anytime,anywhere.same for naruto, he can use nine tails chakra any where ,anytime.
But thats NOT the case for edo tensei...It requires a certain procedure ,preparation to do edo tensei EVERYTIME, & certainly not just clapping his hand.
secondly,in VS threads, the ninjas are expected to be in the state last shown in manga,unless specified otherwise.so your point about naruto,sasori & Jman is baseless. I'm not saying to remove edo tensei from kabuto's arsenal,but the way people spam edo tensei in VS threads,is lame.

What prep time is there once they have already been stored??? When Kabuto showed it to Tobi, he clapped his hands... done.
When Muu resurrected Madara, he walked out of the coffin... done.
When Oro summoned the 1st and 2nd Hokage, the walked out of the coffin. Done. No preperation.
At the second part.... what?
So in a vs thread, Sasori is a human? with no puppets?
So in a vs thread, Itachi only has 1 eye?
So in a vs thread, Jiraiya only has 1 arm?
So in a vs thread, Orochimaru is on his deathbed?
No. They are judged by how they were in their prime, unless said otherwise.

 

[wildstorm]

What prep time is there once they have already been stored??? When Kabuto showed it to Tobi, he clapped his hands... done.
When Muu resurrected Madara, he walked out of the coffin... done.
When Oro summoned the 1st and 2nd Hokage, the walked out of the coffin. Done. No preperation.
At the second part.... what?
So in a vs thread, Sasori is a human? with no puppets?
So in a vs thread, Itachi only has 1 eye?
So in a vs thread, Jiraiya only has 1 arm?
So in a vs thread, Orochimaru is on his deathbed?
No. They are judged by how they were in their prime, unless said otherwise.

Arguing just for the sake of it ?
It is understood that when it is said last state in manga, it means last "sane" & physically healthy state,& not the state in which they die.
Although in most cases, the last healthy state is in 'prime',but not always.
for eg: when you say hiruzen vs anyone, the hiruzen's state is the one who fought oruchimaru, & when you want it to be Hiruzen(prime),you've to specify it.
About edo tensei, read this:

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& if you think you're still correct, tell those who made the above article,that they're wrong & they should just write: kabuto just has to clap his hands & edo tensei is done..
About kabuto showing the example to tobi, a body for sacrifice, & the blood of required ninja, both were available to kabuto.What do you think, Kishi is going to show you everything in detail about how kabuto goes near that ninja,obtains a blood sample,does the scroll-work,etc etc ?

 

[iSpeak]

Arguing just for the sake of it ?
It is understood that when it is said last state in manga, it means last "sane" & physically healthy state,& not the state in which they die.
Although in most cases, the last healthy state is in 'prime',but not always.
for eg: when you say hiruzen vs anyone, the hiruzen's state is the one who fought oruchimaru, & when you want it to be Hiruzen(prime),you've to specify it.
About edo tensei, read this:

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& if you think you're still correct, tell those who made the above article,that they're wrong & they should just write: kabuto just has to clap his hands & edo tensei is done..
About kabuto showing the example to tobi, a body for sacrifice, & the blood of required ninja, both were available to kabuto.What do you think, Kishi is going to show you everything in detail about how kabuto goes near that ninja,obtains a blood sample,does the scroll-work,etc etc ?

No, we always talk about their prime. People specify wether Hiruzen is in his prime or not to make sure nobody gets confused (since we havn't seen him in his prime). I don't even understand where people get this "vs means how they were last in the manga" from. Not just Naruto, every sport bases vs on how they were in their prime. When I say who would win out of Tyson and Ali, im talking about both in their prime. Not a 20 year old Tyson vs a 45 year old Ali. The whole point of vs threads are to see who is the strongest of them.
Sasori was physically healthy anway...
What? Once you have gathered the dna + a body, and you have changed them into an Edo for the first time, you just need to clap your hands and summon that Edo again from then on... you don't need to find more dna and another body just to summon them again.
Once you have prepered their Edo body and put them in the coffin, all it takes is the clap of a hand to summon them next time. As seen with first 2 Hokage's, Madara etc.