Hashirama vs Itachi and Sasuke

Who wins?

  • Hashirama

    Votes: 50 55.6%
  • Uchiha Bros

    Votes: 40 44.4%

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Owarij

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One decrypts a genjutsu that has been
applied onto them, and casts back a jutsu
with identical effects onto the opponent!! It's
a form of illusion reversal, but in order to
instantly read through a jutsu and cast it in
return, the Sharingan's power is necessary.
As genjutsu is initially used to confuse the
enemy, this technique which sends it right
back to its caster deals a high amount of
mental damage, more than anything else.
Every half-baked genjutsu will fall prey to the
mirror that is Sharingan!!
Caption
-The mechanics of a false image is duplicated
by these eyes, its effects largely turned back
onto the enemy!!
Picture comments
-Conditions such as the presence or not of a
Kekkei Genkai and the relative strength of
both casters
play a great part when operating
this jutsu.
-Thanks to the Sharingan's power, Itachi uses
a similar technique.


and where do you get only weak genjutsu works?I don't see anything saying only half baked genjutsu... you bold there it depends on the relative strenght of the caster.. WHO is better at genjutsu?
 
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It incinerated an iron gate, it incinerated danzo, it incinerated that zetsu
why won't it burn away wood again?
once they cast it on the wood, it will butn it

it doesn't spread! It burns the focused target.

And you guys act like this is a small Uchiha battle.

First of all. The flower world would be up, Hashirama would have clones out and clones can do BOD. He could use the nativity tree world along with each clone. And you guys say that katon will be able to burn crap down but look at this.



cant get through trees. And did you forget that Hashirama has soiton too? I mean he can sit there and counter everything they have.

Susanoo is useless because he can just use mokuton from underground and theres spores everywhere. He could just make the clones split and then its 10 or 25 vs. 2. He has earth jutsu as well and His healing keeps him from dying from normal hits.
 

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First of all: WTF? Itachi was aiming to burn the forest.

Second of all: Yes, unquenchable fire that burns all > Wood. Mokuton (wood) would only quicken Amaterasu's spread.




He can probably see through the clones. Hashirama probably can't make 25 clones. And how do you know Itachi needs to see Hashirama? He can get a peak in before B.O.D. activates, or hit him with Amaterasu first.

Use wood to push it out? Wood burns.

the fire burns whatever it touches. it doesnt matter if itachi isnt focusing on something. wood burns but it wont burn instantly. hashirama sprouts wood from his body and separates it. why are you giving itachi abilities he hasnt shown. he cant even see through regular clones so how is he seeing through mokuton bunshins.
 

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One decrypts a genjutsu that has been
applied onto them, and casts back a jutsu
with identical effects onto the opponent!! It's
a form of illusion reversal, but in order to
instantly read through a jutsu and cast it in
return, the Sharingan's power is necessary.
As genjutsu is initially used to confuse the
enemy, this technique which sends it right
back to its caster deals a high amount of
mental damage, more than anything else.
Every half-baked genjutsu will fall prey to the
mirror that is Sharingan!!
Caption
-The mechanics of a false image is duplicated
by these eyes, its effects largely turned back
onto the enemy!!
Picture comments
-Conditions such as the presence or not of a
Kekkei Genkai and the relative strength of
both casters
play a great part when operating
this jutsu.
-Thanks to the Sharingan's power, Itachi uses
a similar technique.

Regardless, Izanami can counter that and beat Hashirama.

OR an Amaterasu can prevent Hashirama from finishing his handsigns for B.O.D.
 

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It incinerated an iron gate, it incinerated danzo, it incinerated that zetsu
why won't it burn away wood again?
once they cast it on the wood, it will butn it

it didnt burn the forest around the uchiha hideout.
 

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the fire burns whatever it touches. it doesnt matter if itachi isnt focusing on something. wood burns but it wont burn instantly. hashirama sprouts wood from his body and separates it. why are you giving itachi abilities he hasnt shown. he cant even see through regular clones so how is he seeing through mokuton bunshins.

Once again you do not know he can't see through it therefor don't even brin that up, there is always the he could, use that in an argument instead of ignoring the other possibilities


it didnt burn the forest around the uchiha hideout.
how is it not? you see 1 or 2 scans then say it isn't?


How is that not burning and spreading?
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and where do you get only weak genjutsu works?I don't see anything saying only half baked genjutsu... you bold there it depends on the relative strenght of the caster.. WHO is better at genjutsu?

Did you miss the half baked part? In the manga Itachi then goes on to say that genjutsu at that level won't work on him.
 

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Once again you do not know he can't see through it therefor don't even brin that up, there is always the he could, use that in an argument instead of ignoring the other possibilities

itachi cant even see through regular kage bunshins but he can see through the more advanced mokuton bunshin.
 

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Regardless, Izanami can counter that and beat Hashirama.

OR an Amaterasu can prevent Hashirama from finishing his handsigns for B.O.D.

Oh god. Itachi **** riding here. Obviously there are requirements to Izanami.

You cant just automatically win with Izanami and you cant say he can do it from any distance.

And you think the fight will last more than 5 min? I'm sorry but within the time it took for Itachi to activate it he died like 4 times.

And if it's that good why did he not do it to Tobi? seriously dont be effing dumb.
 

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Did you miss the half baked part? In the manga Itachi then goes on to say that genjutsu at that level won't work on him.

I didn't miss anything... I saw perfectly what it said, and it didn't say only half baked genjutsu works..

Itachi is way above the level of bod and temple of nirvana.. he can counter them with ease because he is MUCH better at them at genjutsu..

Other genjutsu like KA , tsukyomi etc, countering would be impossible...
Conditions such as the presence or not of a
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Oh god. Itachi **** riding here. Obviously there are requirements to Izanami.

You cant just automatically win with Izanami and you cant say he can do it from any distance.

And you think the fight will last more than 5 min? I'm sorry but within the time it took for Itachi to activate it he died like 4 times.

And if it's that good why did he not do it to Tobi? seriously dont be effing dumb.


Yes there are requirements to Izanami. Maybe making eye contact like once.

And still, Hashirama won't have time to activate BOD with two Amaterasus coming at him.

He died because he was against a close range fighter like Kabuto, and because he was saving Sasuke. Also because he's not fighting to kill Kabuto.

He didn't do it to Tobi because of plot?
 

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I didn't miss anything... I saw perfectly what it said, and it didn't say only half baked genjutsu works..

Itachi is way above the level of bod and temple of nirvana.. he can counter them with ease because he is MUCH better at them at genjutsu..

Other genjutsu like KA , tsukyomi etc, countering would be impossible...


I wouldn't say Itachi is much better than Hashirama since Hashirama has BOD a genjutsu that isn't broken by pain and probably can't be broken by chakra disruption since Hiruzen didn't try it and that's just one of Hashi's genjutsu you don't know what else he's got so I'll say he's a genjutsu user on Itachi's Ma and Pa's level, Genjutsu on the same level as normal Sharingan genjutsu won't be reversed and why didn't it say every genjutsu will be reversed? It only works for half baked genjutsu, Itachi said so himself that genjutsu OF THAT LEVEL won't work on him. geez, I'm surprised.
 

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Yes there are requirements to Izanami. Maybe making eye contact like once.

And still, Hashirama won't have time to activate BOD with two Amaterasus coming at him.

He died because he was against a close range fighter like Kabuto, and because he was saving Sasuke. Also because he's not fighting to kill Kabuto.

He didn't do it to Tobi because of plot?

Yeah you do not know the requirements.

He does not need BOD. How are they going to survive before they do it?

He died and would have died had he not been an edo.

He didn't use it on Tobi because its not like KA.
 

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I wouldn't say Itachi is much better than Hashirama since Hashirama has BOD a genjutsu that isn't broken by pain and probably can't be broken by chakra disruption since Hiruzen didn't try it and that's just one of Hashi's genjutsu you don't know what else he's got so I'll say he's a genjutsu user on Itachi's Ma and Pa's level, Genjutsu on the same level as normal Sharingan genjutsu won't be reversed and why didn't it say every genjutsu will be reversed? It only works for half baked genjutsu, Itachi said so himself that genjutsu OF THAT LEVEL won't work on him. geez, I'm surprised.

Bringer of darkness and temple of nirvana are both A ranks, and even databooks said a skillfull shinobi can break temple of nirvana easily..

Come on, sakura did it... much better? Itachi specializes in genjutsu... kurenai was considered a master and he basically spit on her genjutsu... Bringer of darkness was special in how it is removed but it was just an a level technique... How can you POSSIBLY say he's a genjutsu user on ma and pa's level ?
 

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Yeah you do not know the requirements.

He does not need BOD. How are they going to survive before they do it?

He died and would have died had he not been an edo.

He didn't use it on Tobi because its not like KA.


How will Hashirama dodge an Amaterasu (TWO) to the face without making eye contact?
 

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wood barrier. How are they staying awake with the Flower world out?

amaterasu and burn it down.. sasuke can fly up and katon on it if he wishes..
i already showed scans proving amaterasu spread
 

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amaterasu and burn it down.. sasuke can fly up and katon on it if he wishes..
i already showed scans proving amaterasu spread

when? You mean when Itachi shot off like 5? during sasuke fight?

How is sasuke going toknow to move from pollen and can his bird fly faster than mokuton? Hashirama could just make a huge wood barrier out of trees.
 

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when? You mean when Itachi shot off like 5? during sasuke fight?

How is sasuke going toknow to move from pollen and can his bird fly faster than mokuton? Hashirama could just make a huge wood barrier out of trees.

lol shot off 5? now you're saying itachi can spam amaterasu? make you your mind

urm you can smell pollen... once they realize what's going on they'll stop breathing and take it down... sasuke will fly up, itachi can burn it down from the ground with sasuke's aid..

Sasukej also has his 15 amaterasu spam thing in susanno to burn it all off..
 
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