Hashirama vs Itachi and Sasuke

Who wins?

  • Hashirama

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  • Uchiha Bros

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If, and that's a big IF, hashirama can do that feat...

This is edo madara, who has madara's chakra + hashirama's chakra + kabuto's chakra,

And even then a 25 split clone will not be anywhere as strong as the original and would all get taken out easily


I also love when you say bringer of darkness, and i say itachi reverses it on him, you give no explanation as to how hashi gets out of it , you seem to like ignoring anything about genjutsu don't you?

they will not be as strong chakra-wise the strength and the techs they can use is the same as the original. madara doesnt have kabutos chakra in him. mokuton clones also dont disappear after they take damage. genjutsu reversal worked so well with tayuyas genjutsu right oh wait....
 

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when sasuke and itachi are distracted prepping kirin, they get put to sleep by the flower tree world. you also have no proof that itachi or sasuke can see through the clones.

Really? another argumentum ad ignorantiam? stop using fallacies in informal logic please

they will not be as strong chakra-wise the strength and the techs they can use is the same as the original. madara doesnt have kabutos chakra in him. mokuton clones also dont disappear after they take damage. genjutsu reversal worked so well with tayuyas genjutsu right.

Who was he going to reverse it on? tayuya? the featus like thing coming out of kabuto;s stomach?
 

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Kirin will be auto-prepped with all of the Amaterasus flying around.

And Madara was the only known EMS/MS user who fought Hashirama, and Sasuke has the EMS, and Itachi has the MS.

again you have no proof that sasuke and itachi can see through mokuton clones. madara is the strongest uchiha in history so his doujutsu would have the most insight.
 

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again you have no proof that sasuke and itachi can see through mokuton clones. madara is the strongest uchiha in history so his doujutsu would have the most insight.

And he continues with the logical fallacies
 

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If, and that's a big IF, hashirama can do that feat...

This is edo madara, who has madara's chakra + hashirama's chakra + kabuto's chakra,

And even then a 25 split clone will not be anywhere as strong as the original and would all get taken out easily


I also love when you say bringer of darkness, and i say itachi reverses it on him, you give no explanation as to how hashi gets out of it , you seem to like ignoring anything about genjutsu don't you?

I'm sorry but are you trolling? The clones will not get taken out easily and Hashirama's stamina is so crazy that merely having his cells allowed Danzo who is supposed to be a weakened as Hiruzen to summon things like Baku and still have stamina left so his clones won't be poop and Itachi can't reverse the illusion back on Hashirama, than only works for low level genjutsu according to databook, if they get genjutsu's with this they're done.
 

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again you have no proof that sasuke and itachi can see through mokuton clones. madara is the strongest uchiha in history so his doujutsu would have the most insight.

EMS Madara > EMS Sasuke or MS Itachi, you say? Where's your proof?

He said his eyes were the only ones able to see through them. He had the EMS. Sasuke has the EMS.


I'm sorry but are you trolling? The clones will not get taken out easily and Hashirama's stamina is so crazy that merely having his cells allowed Danzo who is supposed to be a weakened as Hiruzen to summon things like Baku and still have stamina left so his clones won't be poop and Itachi can't reverse the illusion back on Hashirama, than only works for low level genjutsu according to databook, if they get genjutsu's with this they're done.

Madara's chakra > Hashirama's.

He can make clones, but not 25 of them...

And he doesn't need to reverse BOD. Both make Amaterasu rings around them, and Sasuke uses Kirin. Or they constantly move so as to not get hit by any Mokuton.
 
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Really? another argumentum ad ignorantiam? stop using fallacies in informal logic please



Who was he going to reverse it on? tayuya? the featus like thing coming out of kabuto;s stomach?

the uchiha bros will get put to sleep by the flower tree world if they get distracted trying to prep kirin. so your saying hashirama will just stand there and watch them launch fireballs to prep a technique.
 

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EMS Madara > EMS Sasuke or MS Itachi, you say? Where's your proof?

He said his eyes were the only ones able to see through them. He had the EMS. Sasuke has the EMS.

by this logic pts sasukes 3 tomoe sharingan has as much insight as edo itachis 3 tomoe sharingan.
 

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the uchiha bros will get put to sleep by the flower tree world if they get distracted trying to prep kirin. so your saying hashirama will just stand there and watch them launch fireballs to prep a technique.

Again, Kirin will be auto-prepped with all of the Amaterasus being aimed AT Hashirama.


by this logic pts sasukes 3 tomoe sharingan has as much insight as edo itachis 3 tomoe sharingan.

You're downplaying Sasuke and Itachi. Especially Itachi. He awakened the MS at a younger age, if not at the same age, as Madara. And this isn't Sasuke vs Itachi.
 

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Hashirama Vs Itachi + Sasuke = High difficult win for the uchihas ...individually you could argue and say hashirama will win seeing how he is focusing on one person and could come up with counters for a few abilities ...though i am not sure but since hashirama's wood is strong enough to stop full powered 9tails TBB ...i think it can tank kirin < can argue...but i think with just one susano will be easy to counter it and stop its movement ...though no one is talking about 1v1 so meh goodnite going to bed now
 

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EMS Madara > EMS Sasuke or MS Itachi, you say? Where's your proof?

He said his eyes were the only ones able to see through them. He had the EMS. Sasuke has the EMS.




Madara's chakra > Hashirama's.

He can make clones, but not 25 of them...

And he doesn't need to reverse BOD. Both make Amaterasu rings around them, and Sasuke uses Kirin. Or they constantly move so as to not get hit by any Mokuton.

sasuke and itachi make amaterasu rings? hashirama makes mokuton come up from inside the ring. the uchiha bros are put to sleep.
 

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Hashirama Vs Itachi + Sasuke = High difficult win for the uchihas ...individually you could argue and say hashirama will win seeing how he is focusing on one person and could come up with counters for a few abilities ...though i am not sure but since hashirama's wood is strong enough to stop full powered 9tails TBB ...i think it can tank kirin < can argue...but i think with just one susano will be easy to counter it and stop its movement ...though no one is talking about 1v1 so meh goodnite going to bed now

Exactly. One on one, Hashirama can probably beat them, but with two MS users attacking him, he'll be on the defensive.


sasuke and itachi make amaterasu rings? hashirama makes mokuton come up from inside the ring. the uchiha bros are put to sleep.

By your logic, Hashirama can be hit by Amaterasu before he even gets BOD in.

For your argument: They activate Susanoo, and Sasuke Blaze Releases them, and they constantly move around till Kirin is ready.
 
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I'm sorry but are you trolling? The clones will not get taken out easily and Hashirama's stamina is so crazy that merely having his cells allowed Danzo who is supposed to be a weakened as Hiruzen to summon things like Baku and still have stamina left so his clones won't be poop and Itachi can't reverse the illusion back on Hashirama, than only works for low level genjutsu according to databook, if they get genjutsu's with this they're done.

Databook never stated it only works for low level genjutsu I dare you to cite that.. It stated that what it's capable of reversing depends on the user and his sharingan.. And since itachi is a master of master of genjutsu's how would this be a problem?
 

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Again, Kirin will be auto-prepped with all of the Amaterasus being aimed AT Hashirama.




You're downplaying Sasuke and Itachi. Especially Itachi. He awakened the MS at a younger age, if not at the same age, as Madara. And this isn't Sasuke vs Itachi.

amaterasu alone doesnt prep kirin. sasuke has to fire that huge dragon flame into the sky. when sasuke and itachi is distracted doing this they get put to sleep by the flower tree world.
 

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amaterasu alone doesnt prep kirin. sasuke has to fire that huge dragon flame into the sky. when sasuke and itachi is distracted doing this they get put to sleep by the flower tree world.

They don't need Kirin to win. Itachi uses Izanami during BOD (no eye contact required), or they hit Hashi with Amaterasu before he uses BOD.
 

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Exactly. One on one, Hashirama can probably beat them, but with two MS users attacking him, he'll be on the defensive.




By your logic, Hashirama can be hit by Amaterasu before he even gets BOD in.

For your argument: They activate Susanoo, and Sasuke Blaze Releases them, and they constantly move around till Kirin is ready.

susano is far to big to not get restrained by mokuton unless your talking about ribcage susano? amaterasu couldnt burn the forest around the uchiha hideout but it can incinerate mokuton?
 

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They don't need Kirin to win. Itachi uses Izanami during BOD (no eye contact required), or they hit Hashi with Amaterasu before he uses BOD.

itachi needs to see hashirama to hit him with izanami. bringer of darkness and 25 mokuton clones basically negate it. hashirama would sprout wood from his body to push amaterasu off of him.
 

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susano is far to big to not get restrained by mokuton unless your talking about ribcage susano? amaterasu couldnt burn the forest around the uchiha hideout but it can incinerate mokuton?

First of all: WTF? Itachi was aiming to burn the forest.

Second of all: Yes, unquenchable fire that burns all > Wood. Mokuton (wood) would only quicken Amaterasu's spread.


itachi needs to see hashirama to hit him with izanami. bringer of darkness and 25 mokuton clones basically negate it. hashirama would sprout wood from his body to push amaterasu off of him.

He can probably see through the clones. Hashirama probably can't make 25 clones. And how do you know Itachi needs to see Hashirama? He can get a peak in before B.O.D. activates, or hit him with Amaterasu first.

Use wood to push it out? Wood burns.
 
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susano is far to big to not get restrained by mokuton unless your talking about ribcage susano? amaterasu couldnt burn the forest around the uchiha hideout but it can incinerate mokuton?

It incinerated an iron gate, it incinerated danzo, it incinerated that zetsu
why won't it burn away wood again?
once they cast it on the wood, it will butn it
 

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Databook never stated it only works for low level genjutsu I dare you to cite that.. It stated that what it's capable of reversing depends on the user and his sharingan.. And since itachi is a master of master of genjutsu's how would this be a problem?

One decrypts a genjutsu that has been
applied onto them, and casts back a jutsu
with identical effects onto the opponent!! It's
a form of illusion reversal, but in order to
instantly read through a jutsu and cast it in
return, the Sharingan's power is necessary.
As genjutsu is initially used to confuse the
enemy, this technique which sends it right
back to its caster deals a high amount of
mental damage, more than anything else.
Every half-baked genjutsu will fall prey to the
mirror that is Sharingan!!
Caption
-The mechanics of a false image is duplicated
by these eyes, its effects largely turned back
onto the enemy!!
Picture comments
-Conditions such as the presence or not of a
Kekkei Genkai and the relative strength of
both casters
play a great part when operating
this jutsu.
-Thanks to the Sharingan's power, Itachi uses
a similar technique.
 
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