when was the last time a normal shinobi broke genjutsu?

[Soulzz]

shared vision with the snakes? no such thing was said :S, the snakes were using their tongues etc to pick up movements and heat signals

This that's why Sasuke was called Dr.Snakes after explaining it to Itachi.

 

[Raito]

@Twedros, no it was only said Kabuto blocked his own eye sight in order to avoid all of his Genjutsus. He doesn't share his vision with the snakes but is able to sense Itachi. But yes, the shared vision might be a Genjutsu counter.

 

[Owarij]

It also worked for Tayuya's, and when Itachi cut off Oro's hand he wasn't paralysed anymore, even animal path was for a brief moment free from Pa and Ma's genjutsu when Jiraiya stabbed him to kill him. Its supposed to work for all, but nooooo, not Bringer of darkness or KA or clam genjutsu.

yea but different levels of pain would work for different genjutsu... kurenai's was weak, i doubt a bite of a lip would do anything for itachi's paralysis genjutsu or anything like that.. or oro would have done that..

 

[Kira was Righteous]

shared vision with the snakes? no such thing was said :S, the snakes were using their tongues etc to pick up movements and heat signals

Well i guess im assuming the snakes were all part of kabuto seeing as they came from him and were attacking Itachi and Sasuke by shared vision i meant multiple snakes looking at them ... as they all seemed to be working together besides its not relevant here the fact is Itachi could see Kabuto the whole fight and Kabuto was directly looking into his eyes.Its more of a question why did Kabuto have to resort to Izanami when he had tsukuyomi and Kabuto was clearly looking at him?

@Twedros, no it was only said Kabuto blocked his own eye sight in order to avoid all of his Genjutsus. He doesn't share his vision with the snakes but is able to sense Itachi. But yes, the shared vision might be a Genjutsu counter.

He didnt block his eyesight because he wouldn't of been able to see them through the snakes besides i meantt there were multiple looking at Itachi and Sasuke
Its sad to focus on one point ive made that is questionable rather than answering the actual question

 

[~Uzumaki~]

yea but different levels of pain would work for different genjutsu... kurenai's was weak, i doubt a bite of a lip would do anything for itachi's paralysis genjutsu or anything like that.. or oro would have done that..

What about bringer of darkness when Hiruzen was stabbed multiple times? Or KA where Itachi was divided into two and had one hand ripped out.

 

[TrollingSage]

Maybe powerful seal tech users can seal their eye sight?
What I dont understand is how kishi has trolled Oro significantly. Kabuto in a couple of month seal his eyes in anticipation of fighting an uchiha. But a similar genius like oro doesnt despite losing appaullingly to itachi previously.:flaw:

 

[Owarij]

What about bringer of darkness when Hiruzen was stabbed multiple times? Or KA where Itachi was divided into two and had one hand ripped out.

Not every jutsu can be broken by certain methods

The ONLY way to break bringer of darkness is to hit the user, that was made clear.. you can't disrupt/stop your chakra flow nothing, you have to land a hit on the caster

Ka probably works in a way we don't know of

 

[Kira was Righteous]

@Owarij and Raito heres proof he was speaking through different snakes so saying he can see through them as well like shared vision is not as stupid as you think

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[~Uzumaki~]

Not every jutsu can be broken by certain methods

The ONLY way to break bringer of darkness is to hit the user, that was made clear.. you can't disrupt/stop your chakra flow nothing, you have to land a hit on the caster

Ka probably works in a way we don't know of

Actually the landing a hit isn't mentioned in the Databook, its Narutopedia's assumption so the only known way is to remove the users soul, KA is worse, there is no more eye, no more Shisui, Itachi has been inflicted with massive amounts of pain and it doesn't end! What sort of trolling is this! I'm starting to get a Bleach feel from Naruto and I don't like it.

 

[iSpeak]

Because KA, Izanagi and Izanami (the 3 ultimate jutsu's) can't be broken like that. They don't follow the same laws as a normal genjutsu. Inflicting pain is to bring their senses back. Disrupting chakra is to bring their senses back. What the Hachibi does to Bee is to bring his senses back. But those 3 genjutsu's work regardless of your 5 senses (which is why KA is so hard to notice, it happens in the real world). It doesn't effect the senses, only their chakra.
Well, you may be able to counter Izanami with Izanagi actually. I don't see how Izanami can be broken yet.

 

[TrollingSage]

Because KA, Izanagi and Izanami (the 3 ultimate jutsu's) can't be broken like that. They don't follow the same laws as a normal genjutsu. Inflicting pain is to bring their senses back. Disrupting chakra is to bring their senses back. What the Hachibi does to Bee is to bring his senses back. But those 3 genjutsu's work regardless of your 5 senses (which is why KA is so hard to notice, it happens in the real world). It doesn't effect the senses, only their chakra.
Well, you may be able to counter Izanami with Izanagi actually. I don't see how Izanami can be broken yet.

Nice points.
As of now, I think the counter for izanami is izanagi

 

[Raito]

@Owarij and Raito heres proof he was speaking through different snakes so saying he can see through them as well like shared vision is not as stupid as you think

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He actually didn't speak through his snakes, he was inside of his snakes before he slipped out of them:

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Here he speaks "through" the snakes while slipping out of them.

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He spoke out of the snakes while being inside until he slipped out.

You can't really compare Kabutos snakes to Nagatos summons because the snakes are living things while Nagatos summons are not. Nagato share his vision by giving his summons the Rinnegan (his own eye).

 

[iSpeak]

Nice points.
As of now, I think the counter for izanami is izanagi

Thanks. Oh yeh, I meant I don't see how Izanagi can be countered. Probably sealing their whole body (without them dying) is the only way. Like Tobi's S/T jutsu. But im not sure wether Danzo would be able to spawn back on the battlefield if he kills himself inside Tob's dimension.

 

[arv993]

He actually didn't speak through his snakes, he was inside of his snakes before he slipped out of them:

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Here he speaks "through" the snakes while slipping out of them.

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He spoke out of the snakes while being inside until he slipped out.

You can't really compare Kabutos snakes to Nagatos summons because the snakes are living things while Nagatos summons are not. Nagato share his vision by giving his summons the Rinnegan (his own eye).

there is actually no evidence as to why genjutsu is countered by shared vision. if summons like manda are put to genjutsu so can nagato's summons. And if he is using them as a source of vision he can also be put under genjutsu its probably a weakness of the tech. Its a debatable topic

 

[Houssem]

Shikamaru broke free vs tayuya...

 

[Worrier of Wind]

Genjutsu is ftw. That's why Uchihas are the best. No one can truely solo them.

fanboy alertWTH

 

[NaruGoku]

He pulled down his hood yeah and revealed loads of snakes like shared vision but that isnt really the point im trying to get across besides Kabuto had eye contact through the snakes lol ... Kabuto was fighting Itachi all that time and Itachi seemed to think Tsukuyomi wouldn't of worked hes not stupid if he could of used it and ended it right away he could of.We can argue that Kishi just wanted to show his new genjutsu but thats plot related stuff

Could you show me the manga page where he says this bit i might have missed it im looking through now anyway i believe there are instances where Tsukuyomi wouldn't work shared vision being one of them can you agree with that?




Sasuke does have tsukuyomi

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he used it vs Bee and Danzo.His eyes bled while he was using MS like Itachi also it s stated in the manga(somewhere) that to unlock susanoo you need Amateseru and tsukuyomi

Ok, so to the second part saying Sasuke has Tsukuyomi--no, he does not. He used a weak genjustsu on Bee, and go re-read the Danzo fight cuz the little genjutsu Sasuke mangages to get Danzo with are simply NOT tsukuyomi. Also, the manga NEVER said you have to have Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to have Susanoo. you simply need to have a double Mangenkyou Sharingan--or MS in both eyes--to have Susanoo.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Genjutsu is like the strongest of the three skills, and the rarest according to jiraya . And breaking genjutsu by normal means is LOOKING for death... You will be killed in real life before you can do that... You need to remember that you are standing there lifeless in real life, and all the time it takes to put your hands together and start releasing chakra etc, is death

This is why people use other methods

The bolded I agree with wholeheartedly. I have made numerous threads saying how the two best abilities a ninja can have are sealing jutsus and genjutsu.

Look at Minato and Itachi, sure they have other skills, but they specialize in those two and both of them have techniques that are near unstoppable. (not saying they are unbeatable but that there are very few if any counters to their abilities other than just being uber haxxed)

 

[Biju Hunter]

As we saw a simply blind wont stop Izanami so...

 

[Inner Eye]

Every genjutsu in Naruto now has to be broken by spectacular means. Just think about it. To break Itachi's finger genjutsu, Naruto needed Sakura and Chiyo's help, to break Shee's light genjutsu Sasuke used Sharingan, to break clam genjutsu they had to kill the clam, now to break Tayuya's genjutsu Itachi needed Tsukuyomi, to break Sasuke's Sharingan genjutsu Deidara needed to 'specially train his eye' to break Tobi's genjutsu on Kurama, Minato needed a sealing technique. What's next? Also, if you don't have any spectacular means you lose. Example, Naruto lost to finger genjutsu when he tried the normal means, Oro lost to Itachi when he tried normal means. Now the normal means doesn't even occur to anybody, Kabuto chose to instead blind himself. What happened to the normal method of breaking genjutsu?

The normal means only works for normal genjutsu. And Sasuke broke Kabuto's genjutsu with another genjutsu, and Shikamaru broke Tayuya's with a dagger. Bee breaks jutsus with his partner, the 8 tails.