Kakashi's use of kamui depends on what/who he wants to teleport

[Bogard]

I think many people make an error to believe that Kakashi's limit of kamui is 2 or 3. Sure this jutsu takes him a lot of chakra, but it doesn't work like people believe. The amount of time he can use kamui depends on which object or person he wants to teleport in his black hole sphere. What i mean is that teleporting a human being for example will take him much more chakra than a simple object. Why? Cuz the human being can move, so he could try to defend himself and exit from the space where the black hole sphere is created, which is not the case of an object which can be pulled without much problems.

That's why Kakashi had much more difficulties to transfer Deidara into another dimension here(eventhough it was still quick. It took him only 3pages to transfer Deidaras arm):

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than here(just an instant):

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And that's even when he didn't mastered the jutsu very well, and he actually used kamui 3times against Deidara(the first kamui taking him the most chakra cuz he had difficulties to catch Deidara into the barrier).

What i explain, Kakashi already did it better here while he was fighting Pain:

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Like you can read, he says "with my chakra so depleted, i won't be able to get his hole body". Only that shows that the amount of chakra he uses on kamui depends on what he really wants to transfer into another dimension. He could not use at that time a kamui powerful enough to transfer Asura path into another dimension, but he could use a small kamui that could transfer his missile instead.

That's why when i see people saying sometimes that "Kakashi will use 2 or 3kamui and it will be enough" that makes me think they have not even understood how kamui works.

And i think the origin of that was his fight against Sasuke. In the contrary of what people thinks, Kakashi could have teleport several arrows with kamui if he wanted(i don't really know the number but he could), and i've explain why on my text below. It's because arrows don't have resistance like human body for example. It comes straight towards the black hole sphere Kakashi create infront of him.

Obviously it takes a lot of chakra, but much more lower than if he wants to teleport a hole body. That's why he had only a small side effects directly after using his first kamui(no effort to pull arrows in the black hole sphere), but if you look carefully at the fight, you will see that he could still fight properly after that.

But i think the sentence many people misjudge is the one when he said to Sakura to take care of his body, here:

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But if you have understood what i've said so far, you will understand why he said that. He said that cuz like i've said, transfering a human body takes much more chakra cuz he would resist against the jutsu, so Kakashi would have to use much more chakra to control the size and location of the sphere in order to be sure the opponent will get absorbed in it. And there wasn't even only one opponent, but 3. That's why he ask himself here if he can take the 2 of them at once(Tobi and Zetsu):

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+ Sasuke he also wanted to deal with, before Naruto said to him he was the one to fight him. And looking the way he was talking at that, i suppose he wanted to use kamui directly, but wasn't sure if he could take all of them, cuz it would have required a lot of chakra for that.

That's then the reason why he said to Sakura to take care of his body. Cuz he knew that at that moment he would have probably use a lot of chakra to do all that, and since Sakura was there as a medecin ninja, why not?

Also, side effects of MS jutsu exists for every MS( EMS Sasuke is an exception since he seems not to have such problems so far xd), but i think people forget that and only think Kakashi is the only one who has side effects of his jutsus. Sasuke also had side effects after Amaterasu for example. Just see it:

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Like he had also side effects after using Susanoo continuously(you can even see him coughing up blood):

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But he could still continue fighting with that like Kakashi also could pretty well after one kamui.

But because it's Kakashi, the one people believe he has no-chakra, everyone forget that. The reason why he died after 2kamui against Pain was only cuz he was already on the verge of death before even using that. Don't forget how it happened.

1. - Half of chakra took by raiton kage bunshin using different jutsus(doton, raikiri, lightning wolf, etc..)
2. - doton aiming at deva
3. - raikiri
4. - hurt badly by Shinra tensei(bad stamina reduce your chakra considerably)
5. - and 2kamuis.

So probably with less than 1% of his chakra, he was able to use kamui 2times, but he was able to do that only on small targets(cuz he didn't had enough chakra).

So all what i wanted to explain is that "sure Kakashi can't use kamui too much, but the amount of time he can use it depends on what/who he wants to teleport".

Sorry if i was too long to explain it, but i hope it was understandable xd

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Dude, the more he uses it, the better he gets at it and the faster. As you can see, his Kamui against Deidara was the first time he shown it, that's why it was so slow. And against Pain, he teleported the missile much quicker because he had plenty of experience using it already.

 

[Virus..]

Yes Good Threory man

 

[AnimeIsPerfection]

Dude, the more he uses it, the better he gets at it and the faster. As you can see, his Kamui against Deidara was the first time he shown it, that's why it was so slow. And against Pain, he teleported the missile much quicker because he had plenty of experience using it already.

i second that... :shrug:

i mean you have a good point but experience makes things easier too.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

i second that... :shrug:

i mean you have a good point but experience makes things easier too.

Dude, that's what my whole post was about-_-........

 

[ShadowAnimal11]

I wish he would prefect it more though. How OP would he become if he could just Kamui his enemies head. Or like his heart. It would be amazing.

 

[LEAU92]

What surprises me is his stamina and chakra increase during the series, the manga and anime stated he has problems with his stamina and needs extended rest periods after using the sharingan. During the war, he's had that sharingan active the whole time, and to think he was about to attempt to warp a TBB was insane.

Oh and good theory

 

[Champ]

I still beleve this once he warp away Sasuke Susano'o Arrows and was tired afterwards

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[I Am Pein]

nope hmmm

-the "LONGER" he holds it the more chakra it takes, that means a small object could take less then a second so no need to hold it for to long but a larger object woud take time for the outer edges to reach the center therfore requiring more time

-secondly,he said take care of my body to sakura becuase madara wasnt going to just sit there and let him warp him, he was gonna have to battle and get in a posotion that would force him to turn solid and warp him

-thricely, when the hell did kakashi say "i dont know if i can take them both" what he said was i dont know if i can take all of them beccause there were like 10 zzetsus.......are you dumb seruisly i child could have seen that

-quadly,EVERYBODY has side effects from MS, Sasuke only has ameterasu and enton, so it looks like hes using ameterasu all the time but sometimes its enton.

-5lllly, did you just say with less then 1% of his chakra he could use 2 kamuis........no,just no id say maby 35% and then he died after that so mab yhe used more chakra then he actually had (lets go over this, half was used with 2 chidoris,doton clone,wolf lightning blade, some tiajutsu, water style water dragon jutsu and sharingan......if that was half what makes you think doton and a raikari toke away the other half????

 

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itachi says kakashi's body is suitable for the eye

 

[Bogard]

I still beleve this once he warp away Sasuke Susano'o Arrows and was tired afterwards

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I've not said he doesn't have side effects. Every MS user has side effects of their jutsus. Please read my post completely xd I've said the amount of kamui he can use depends on what he wants to teleport, cuz much more longer he maintain kamui, much more chakra he uses. That's why teleporting human beings will take him much more chakra cuz it will take him much more time to maintain kamui in order to pull his body into another dimension than warping arrows in an blink of eye.

 

[Champ]

I've not said he doesn't have side effects. Every MS user has side effects of their jutsus. Please read my post completely xd I've said the amount of kamui he can use depends on what he wants to teleport, cuz much more longer he maintain kamui, much more chakra he uses. That's why teleporting human beings will take him much more chakra cuz it will take him much more time to maintain kamui in order to pull his body into another dimension than warping arrows in an blink of eye.

I know I can't wait til kakashi goes blind

 

[Bogard]

-5lllly, did you just say with less then 1% of his chakra he could use 2 kamuis........no,just no id say maby 35% and then he died after that so mab yhe used more chakra then he actually had (lets go over this, half was used with 2 chidoris,doton clone,wolf lightning blade, some tiajutsu, water style water dragon jutsu and sharingan......if that was half what makes you think doton and a raikari toke away the other half????

No, you don't understand. Besides the chakra he used for raikiri and doton, he was hurt badly, and that has decreased his stamina a lot, and when the stamina decreased, so the chakra.

This is how i see it. He was at 50% of his chakra after raiton kage bunshin. We know that raikiri alone takes him a lot of chakra(in part1 he could only use 4raikiris for example, but in part2 we've seen him use 6raikiri). Admitting 6raikiris is his limit, one raikiri must probably take him 18% or something like that. So we have 50-18= 32%. And he used also doton, what i suppose took him maybe 10%. So he was at 22%. And after that he was hurt badly by shinra tensei, so decrease of stamina. I will say -10%. So normaly he was at most at 12% of his chakra when he did these 2kamuis.

But i agree with all what you said besides that. We say almost the same thing but you explain it probably even better than me.

 

[Stark]

Kakashi uses his MS well, he doesn't spam at all.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

The reason he took only Deidara's arm is because he missed, not because Deidara struggled, Databook says Kamui can't be avoided and struggling is futile. I agree that it depends on the size of what he's taking away, that seems to be the principle of all Jikukan ninjutsu

 

[Bogard]

The reason he took only Deidara's arm is because he missed, not because Deidara struggled, Databook says Kamui can't be avoided and struggling is futile. I agree that it depends on the size of what he's taking away, that seems to be the principle of all Jikukan ninjutsu

Yes i know, i've not missed that. That's why i've said after "and that's when he didn't even controlled the jutsu very well".

But like said what i say is that Kakashi can do several kamui, but it depends on what he wants to send. Sending human being will take him much more chakra than sending a needle for example cuz of the size of the black hole he has to create and the time to maintain his jutsu knowing that a human won't left himself trap into that dimension that easily. So more the black hole sphere last, less the chakra.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

1 thing for sure, if he use kamui once and fail then its the end for kakashi since he stated that he's body kinda lost balance and feel numb after using it against sasuke

 

[Bogard]

1 thing for sure, if he use kamui once and fail then its the end for kakashi since he stated that he's body kinda lost balance and feel numb after using it against sasuke

No he said his body lost balance "right after" using Kamui. It's side effect of the jutsu that comes directly after he uses kamui. And like you know almost everey MS user have side effects of their jutsus. Just see Itachi after tsukiyomi(sweating terrible and almost fall of unconsciousness), after Amaterasu(coughing up blood) or after Susanoo(he died). Like Sasuke also against Danzo after Amaterasu(sweating), maintaining Susanoo for too long(coughing up blood). EMS Sasuke is an exception so far. But he could still fight without problems even after one kamui, but like i've said it depends on what he want to send. If he wants to send a human for example, like i've said it will take him much more chakra. That's why against Tobi, he said to Sakura to take care of his body. Transfering non living things that comes into his direction into his dimension takes him much more less chakra. So he can use it several times in this case cuz he only needs to create a black hole sphere infront of him for a second. Of course it takes him still a lot of chakra, but much more lower than when he maintains kamui for too long.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

No he said his body lost balance "right after" using Kamui. It's side effect of the jutsu that comes directly after he uses kamui. But he could still fight without problems even after one kamui, but like i've said it depends on what he want to send. If he wants to send a human for example, like i've said it will take him much more chakra. That's why against Tobi, he said to Sakura to take care of his body. Transfering non living things that comes into his direction into his dimension takes him much more less chakra. So he can use it several times in this case cuz he only needs to create a black hole sphere infront of him for a second. Of course it takes him still a lot of chakra, but much more lower than when he maintains kamui for too long.

see "right after" right ?
if he fight against someone on his caliber then that opponent will seize that opportunity and kill him, that exactly what i mean and that is why kakashi never use kamui unless its emergency

 

[Bogard]

see "right after" right ?
if he fight against someone on his caliber then that opponent will seize that opportunity and kill him, that exactly what i mean and that is why kakashi never use kamui unless its emergency

Like i've said, like you know almost every MS user have side effects of their jutsus. Just see Itachi after tsukiyomi(sweating terrible and almost fall of unconsciousness), after Amaterasu(coughing up blood) or after Susanoo(he died). Like Sasuke also against Danzo after Amaterasu(sweating), maintaining Susanoo for too long(coughing up blood). EMS Sasuke is an exception so far.

But that doesn't makes them impossible to fight after using them.