Wait Izanami > Frog Song... You mad Bro?

[johnny335704]

By the time Itachi will preapre Izanami, Ma ans Pa would have paralyzed Itachi with Sound Frog Genjutsu and Jiraya would have impaled Itachi with Stone sword.
(Jiraiya doesn't need to be in sage mode for sound frog genjutsu. Ma and Pa will perform it. No sage mode needed.)

 

[-Vegeta-]

Itachi already prepared Izanami before the battle? What are you talking about?

Itachi states that it's already prepared meaning he had to of prepared it sometime before the battle.

Now, you absoulutely failed to realize that this isn't the illusion used against pain. The powerful Genjutsu which is generally known as Frog Song is actually called 'Magen: Gama Rinsho'. The illusion used against those animals is an entirely different technique, I'm not even sure if it's an illusion.


After Pain nailed Naruto to the ground, it's clearly visible that Shima & Fukasaku need to gather Senchakra in order to use Gama Rinsho.

Yea this was my fault. I confused the two jutsu, so again my bad.

 

[FloriGlori]

Itachi states that it's already prepared meaning he had to of prepared it sometime before the battle.

That does not necessarily mean that he prepared it before the battle. His statement It's already prepared most likely refered to his clash with Kabuto, which basicly is the core of Izanami, since it's exactly that situation repeating over and over again.

It's most unlikely that he prepared it before the battle, since he was followed by Sasuke and couldn't have known that Kabuto is able to block his vision, rendering 'ordinary' visual Genjutsu useless.

Yea this was my fault. I confused the two jutsu. Again my bad

No problem, sugar.

 

[Dantee]

Dantee Izanami took 4 chapters of fighting to activate
The Sound Genjutsu took 1 chapter and a bit

3 chapters were flashbacks tho. They're instant just wait for the anime.

 

[-Vegeta-]

That does not necessarily mean that he prepared it before the battle. His statement It's already prepared most likely refered to his clash with Kabuto, which basicly is the core of Izanami, since it's exactly that situation repeating over and over again.

It's most unlikely that he prepared it before the battle, since he was followed by Sasuke and couldn't have known that Kabuto is able to block vision, rendering 'ordinary' visual Genjutsu useless.

Well based off this scan it seems like it was before the fight.

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Even if he didn't know Kabuto would block off his vision he probably just prepared izanami in case it needed to be used. Itachi's not the kind of person to underestimate his opponent and makes sure he has gone through every conceivable means to prevail.

Just look at what he did to prevent Tobi from trying to get to Sasuke.

No problem, sugar.

Ok

 

[madali]

even if you have ems i think you are going to lose an eye. just like iznangi. If your opponent finds away around it. You cannot use sannoo anymore like if sasuke was fighting naruto. To steep a price to use the tech. Itachi can usee it he is already dead. But practically i think the tech is useless. This is probably the only time we will ever see the tech in the manga like the sasuke's kirin

 

[Dantee]

even if you have ems i think you are going to lose an eye. just like iznangi. If your opponent finds away around it. You cannot use sannoo anymore like if sasuke was fighting naruto. To steep a price to use the tech. Itachi can usee it he is already dead. But practically i think the tech is useless. This is probably the only time we will ever see the tech in the manga like the sasuke's kirin

I believe the same. However it can be used in vs. threads now. For that I am grateful.

 

[FloriGlori]

Well based off this scan it seems like it was before the fight.

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Even if he didn't know Kabuto would block off his vision he probably just prepared izanami in case it needed to be used. Itachi's not the kind of person to underestimate his opponent and makes sure he has gone through every conceivable means to prevail.

Just look at what he did to prevent Tobi from trying to get to Sasuke.

That's only one translation. I've already read different ones.

Anyway, even that does not mean that it was prepared before the fight. That statement definitely refers to his clash with Kabuto - that's the moment he 'decides' Kabuto's destiny. I can't imagine what other preparations it would require.

He sealed Amaterasu into him - that's only one of the many goals he wanted to accomplish during his fight with Sasuke. Anyway, Itachi isn't the kind of person to waste time preparing a technique he most likely won't need, knowing that people are killed by Edo Tensei meanwhile, either. No, most unlikely.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Did you even read this arc? Izanami takes quite a while to use. Itachi said he was preparing thetechnique like 4 chapters ago. Frog Confrontation Chant takes a bit to build up, but not THAT long and it has a similar effect to Izanami in that it renders the opponent unconscious, but also paralyses them too. I don't think it can even be broken out of. And then Izanami makes one eye blind.

WHAT'CHU TALKIN' BOUT WILLIS?

Only two
Not including the flashback chapters

 

[Kira was Righteous]

3 chapters were flashbacks tho. They're instant just wait for the anime.

No discounting the flashbacks bro

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He uses it fully here

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I believe there is two chapters of flashbacks but let me check i might edit this

Edited:Yeah 581,582,585,586 aren't flashbacks kishi did this on purpose so Itachi would be more balanced if he could do this technique right away he would be the strongest featured in the manga imo

 

[Dantee]

No discounting the flashbacks bro

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He uses it fully here

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I believe there is two chapters of flashbacks but let me check i might edit this

Actually it was 1 and half. He started talking about it here.

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The chapter ends halfway with flashbacks. Flashbacks end here

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. He activates it by the end of the chapter.

 

[-Vegeta-]

That's only one translation. I've already read different ones. Anyway, even that does not mean that it was prepared before the fight. That statement definitely refers to his clash with Kabuto - that's the moment he decides the moment of the loop.

Any translation is better than mangazones. I don't see how it definitely refers to his clash with Kabuto. The way Itachi says it is in the past tense meaning he prepped it sometime before. When is unknown, but my guess is before the battle with Kabuto. Just my opinion though.

He sealed Amaterasu into him - that's only one of the many goals he wanted to accomplish during his fight with Sasuke.

And he did that so it would acitvate upon Sasuke seeing Tobi's sharingan and kill him. All so Tobi couldn't get his hands on Sasuke. Tobi explains this to Sasuke after his fight with Itachi.

Anyway, Itachi isn't the kind of person to waste time preparing a technique he most likely won't need, knowing that people are killed by Edo Tensei meanwhile. No, most unlikely.

There's no evidence or implications to say he didn't think he'd need it. His only goal is to stop edo tensei, so it wouldn't come as surprise to think Itachi would prepare a jutsu that could help him accomplish that. He may have thought he could stop it by simply killing him or using tsukuyomi, but he very well could've made precautions(izanami) in case that didn't work.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Frog song is better, Izanami has more preparation to me. It seemed to be right before Kabuto stabbed Itachi's clone, between then and now there has been-stabbing Itachi with rocks, some talking,using each of sound four's techniques, a lot of talking, at one point Sasuke and Itachi ran away, Kabuto put them under sound genjutsu and caught up to them without rush and then more talking, I'd say 10. Summoning the two sages took less time(Gamaken ran around the dogs then left and they appeared, 3-4 minutes total), the two sages gathering enough chakra for it took the time it took for Naruto to get sucked in by Deva and for Preta to get turned into stone(15 seconds at least total) so it takes 5 minutes for Jiraiya to beat his opponents with sound genjutsu.

 

[Owarij]

Did you even read this arc? Izanami takes quite a while to use. Itachi said he was preparing thetechnique like 4 chapters ago. Frog Confrontation Chant takes a bit to build up, but not THAT long and it has a similar effect to Izanami in that it renders the opponent unconscious, but also paralyses them too. I don't think it can even be broken out of. And then Izanami makes one eye blind.

WHAT'CHU TALKIN' BOUT WILLIS?

4 chapters ago???

you mean more than 2 chapters FILLED with flashbacks .....
izanagi was actually not as long as it seems.... kishi stretched it out with flashbacks that have nothing to do with real time events.. made a thread about it -_-

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Actually it was 1 and half. He started talking about it here.

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The chapter ends halfway with flashbacks. Flashbacks end here

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. He activates it by the end of the chapter.

Just for you im going to count how many manga page it took for him to say izanami to izanami xd btw he said now iam going to activate izanami that doesnt mean its activated but ill just count to their where he gets chopped in half even though it wasn't even in effect

Look at this page as well it shows you exactly when he activated Izanami when his eye goes blind

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31 pages Izanami to Izanami that is the correct amount or 3 chapters and a bit.There were half a chapter full of flashbacks on 582 ... 24 pages if you go from where you think it was activated

 

[FloriGlori]

Any translation is better than mangazones. I don't see how it definitely refers to his clash with Kabuto. The way Itachi says it is in the past tense meaning he prepped it sometime before. When is unknown, but my guess is before the battle with Kabuto. Just my opinion though.

It does because it's the only thing making sense. Or do you really think that Itachi prepared it even before he met Sasuke? That Izanami takes about 10 to 20 minutes of preparation time? No, that's very unlikely.

And he did that so it would acitvate upon Sasuke seeing Tobi's sharingan and kill him. All so Tobi couldn't get his hands on Sasuke. Tobi explains this to Sasuke after his fight with Itachi.

I know that very well. But it was a case in which Itachi had nothing to lose. If what you say was true, Izanami would be a technique with a time delayed effect, which is mentioned nowhere, and as I said, wouldn't really make sense. In my oppinion, his statement clearly refers to his clash with Kabuto.

 

[-Vegeta-]

It does because it's the only thing making sense. Or do you really think that Itachi prepared it even before he met Sasuke? That Izanami takes about 10 to 20 minutes of preparation time? No, that's very unlikely.

You speak as if izanami needs to be used right after its been prepared. It doesn't.

I know that very well. But it was a case in which Itachi had nothing to lose.

I only used it as an example to show Itachi makes precaution for various situations and this one could be no different. He's a very cautious person.

If what you say was true, Izanami would be a technique with a time delayed effect, which is mentioned nowhere, and as I said, wouldn't really make sense. In my oppinion, his statement clearly refers to his clash with Kabuto.

Read my first post.

 

[narutownsyouall]

frog song is better. Jariya took out 3 pains. Naruto took out two boss summons.

Izanami took out Kabuto. And he lost an eye.

 

[Owarij]

frog song is better. Jariya took out 3 pains. Naruto took out two boss summons.

Izanami took out Kabuto. And he lost an eye.

frog song wasn't used on boss summons

and kabuto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those 3 pains


But meh, not gonna argue which is better, i'd still say frog song

 

[narutownsyouall]

frog song wasn't used on boss summons

and kabuto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those 3 pains


But meh, not gonna argue which is better, i'd still say frog song

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Pains summons.