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For now Kabuto but if Kishi will show us some Hashirama's powers maybe it would be changed.
Kabuto vs Hashirama
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Flower world?
Destroy it with the very earth it's sitting on <--1 way
Nativity trees? Kimmimaro sabaku no mai , destroy them all in iron hard bones, and oh hashirama is going to have to dodge that oe
BOD? no idea what that is
Hashirama's healing is on the same level as karin's or less... Kabuto displayed non handseal healing in part 1.. not that op
KABUTO also has Orochimarui's snake skin regenerative properties, and snake shedding
who is better at that now?
overated hashirama is overated
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People are overestimating kabuto simply because he is being made to look better than he actually is. Anyway hashirama takes this
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"Flower world?
Destroy it with the very earth it's sitting on <--1 way"
??? WHAT? i have no idea what you mean.
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is not on the same scale as this.
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Hashirama has better abilities than Tsunade.
BOD (bringer of darkness)
The skin shedding takes a lot of chakra. How many times do you think he can do that?
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do you realize how much chakra kabuto has? Not only has he implanted dna from tons of people , INCLUDING an uzumaki
but he also has juugo's ability, and is permanently absorbing nature energy, even while moving...
I said Kimmimaro's bone justu will beat his navity, not his Flower world,,,
Flower world can be beated by either Jiroubou's earth thing that broke the earth in half, or Manda 2 attacking the spore thing.. Do note manda 2 is the length of an island
Bringer of darkness will easily be countered by a return white shock jutsu, which will cancel it..
And you still haven't given a counter for white shock.. or his MUKI tensei Which you can't see coming, since the earth randomly springs up and stabs you.. thus it killed itachi on its first cast...
every non living thing around him is his enemy..
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Kabuto wins.
His control of inanimate objects allows the Earth to swallow AWOFT (Advent World of Flowering Trees) He could then make the wind blow the spores in Hashi's direction.
Dance of the Seedling Fern would take out Mokuton and if not the same counter to AWOFT would still apply.
For Bringer of Darkness, Medical ninjas are known to have great chakra control. He seems to be the second best medical nin in the world. So he should be able to interrupt the genjutsu. If the genjutsu is to strong to be interrupted via stoping of chakra flow he can have sage chakra entering his body at all times the influx of chakra would stop genjutsu
Wood Clones could all be mutually screwed with Sage Art: White Rage Technique. Hashirama would not be able to see and thus would be screwed and the only immediate counter I could think of to prevent himself from being overwhelmed by the sound is either great Will Power or encompassing himself in Wood so that all the soundwaves has to go through the wood and it would therefore muffle the noise but make Hashi a sitting duck in the process.
The Spider webs also present a problem should Hashi get stuck in them as they are stronger than steel...
His control of inanimate objects allows the Earth to swallow AWOFT (Advent World of Flowering Trees) He could then make the wind blow the spores in Hashi's direction.
Dance of the Seedling Fern would take out Mokuton and if not the same counter to AWOFT would still apply.
For Bringer of Darkness, Medical ninjas are known to have great chakra control. He seems to be the second best medical nin in the world. So he should be able to interrupt the genjutsu. If the genjutsu is to strong to be interrupted via stoping of chakra flow he can have sage chakra entering his body at all times the influx of chakra would stop genjutsu
Wood Clones could all be mutually screwed with Sage Art: White Rage Technique. Hashirama would not be able to see and thus would be screwed and the only immediate counter I could think of to prevent himself from being overwhelmed by the sound is either great Will Power or encompassing himself in Wood so that all the soundwaves has to go through the wood and it would therefore muffle the noise but make Hashi a sitting duck in the process.
The Spider webs also present a problem should Hashi get stuck in them as they are stronger than steel...
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ok time for a long post on why kabuto wins this. kabuto has a scroll of dead people
he knows various medical ninjutsu, even before absorbing karin. such as chakra scalpel which is capable of slicing through tsunades muscles preventing her from using her strength
and despite her efforts she couldnt dodge his next attack
he has the ability to sense another medical ninja's chakra and her intent to kill
he has soldier pills which recover chakra and stamina
kabuto has demonstrated he has a good sense of using hiding like a mole technique to attack from under the ground.
he even uses it to escape poison gas
and despite being at a disadvantage of having no killer intent vs tsunade
his skill with medic ninjutsu is also demonstrated when he uses this
in addition to this he can use
after getting a bit of oros powers, he was able to counter attacks from naruto and yamato in an instant.
here kabuto demonstrates he knows how to basically turn into fire to either teleport or hide. either way its useful in battle or escaping attacks.
in addition to edo summons, kabuto has manda II which is bigger stronger and has better senses than the original
by moving he smashes trees apart
kabuto demonstrates he knows extensively about hashirama and zetsus power, thanks to oro i guess.
most importantly he researched hashirama completely and developed a drug that suppresses mokuton
logic would dictate he knows pretty much all of orochimarus techniques, firstly the ability to shed his skin and turn into a snake
he can use hidden snake hands to restrain or bite his opponent
oral regeneration
and even formation of ten thousand snakes
kabutos own snakes are large and powerful
more clearly seen here where they are easily large enough to cover the length of half the cave
To counter some genjutsu
kabuto can spread his chakra to his snakes
kabuto developed a liquefication technique similar to suigetsu
he dodged susano arrow casually
he dodged chidori spear as well
and even itachis point blank sword thrust
uchiha bros have pretty much been unable to do much of anything to him. hes hardly even used his liquefying or healing.
like tsunade he can render useless most injuries
using his medical talent and enhanced senjutsu, he can use the ability of all the sound 5. with jirobo he was able to form a cavern in the ground. with kidomaru he used webbing even raiton enhanced swords cannot cut through.
with kimimaro he can skewer opponents on a sea of bones as well as form an unbreakable defence.
and with tayuya he even caught the uchiha bros in genjutsu momentarily.
onto sage mode. explaining it quickly,
The user's physical strength, speed, stamina, reflexes, and durability dramatically increase.
The user's ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu become more powerful.
can harness the natural energy surrounding them, turning it into an extension of their body, which increases the reach of their attacks.
the ability to sense chakra around them.
further access to snake anatomy
no known weakness exists for kabutos version as it seems to be perfect.
using light and sound vibrations the sage art: white shock can paralyse and cause considerable pain to his opponent
and one of the most dangerous techniques in his arsenal, muki tensei
and all this time hes never even tried to hurt sasuke
in part 1 kabuto, who was only a bit older than itachi, was hailed as equal to kakashis strength
tsunade admires him even more, suggesting kabuto may be better at medical ninjutsu than her own prime
and according to him he is invincible and closer than anyone to rikudo sennin
kabuto has a good sense of where to fight a battle, as seen here. exceptional strategic skill.
mix that in with his medical and scientific talent, and oros extensive studying and you have a person who knows alot about everyone. not too many jutsus would surprise him.
hashiramas trees are first blocked by the unbreakable webs and bone forest then jirobos earth release is able to form a doton wall. if he uses muki tensie in tandem he could control the very landscape on a huge scale. kabutos demonstrated unimaginable speed. the uchiha bros have barely been able to hit him despite using yagata, amaterasu, susano arrow and swords. when fighting seriously kabuto completely blitzed even itachi whos seals were too fast for sharingan to follow. following that up with formation of ten thousand snakes, kabuto uses hiding like a mole to get to where hashirama is, then fires white shock flashbang. since kabuto can sense killer intent from fellow medical ninjas, hashirama will not surprise him with anything. kabuto should know about flower tree world and would counter accordingly, either by hiding in manda II or by hiding in the ground. chakra scalpel is as good as any weapon once kabuto closes for close combat, wood vs snakes. but its not like he can do anything under sound genjutsu anyway. darkness genjutsu is rendered totally useless by SM's sensing. kabuto can take soldier pills if he gets in trouble, and liquefy/regenerate if hit by great forest technique.
wood clones are troublesome at best.
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he used to keep experiments in and presumably edo tensei sacrifices. then he can use this
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to use them at his will. this isnt edo tensei so its allowed. he knows various medical ninjutsu, even before absorbing karin. such as chakra scalpel which is capable of slicing through tsunades muscles preventing her from using her strength
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and despite her efforts she couldnt dodge his next attack
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he has the ability to sense another medical ninja's chakra and her intent to kill
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he has soldier pills which recover chakra and stamina
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kabuto has demonstrated he has a good sense of using hiding like a mole technique to attack from under the ground.
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he even uses it to escape poison gas
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and despite being at a disadvantage of having no killer intent vs tsunade
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, he was handling and dodging all her attacks
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his skill with medic ninjutsu is also demonstrated when he uses this
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to keep fighting after injuries. in addition to this he can use
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to reduce damage from attacks and begin healing afterwards. one must wonder how strong this jutsu is. with it kabuto has to accurately analyse a technique in seconds.after getting a bit of oros powers, he was able to counter attacks from naruto and yamato in an instant.
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here kabuto demonstrates he knows how to basically turn into fire to either teleport or hide. either way its useful in battle or escaping attacks.
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in addition to edo summons, kabuto has manda II which is bigger stronger and has better senses than the original
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is impressive because original manda nearly stomped katsuyu), and with one bite, stopped the movement of an island sized turtle.
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here we see manda II's true size. he isnt dwarfed by said turtle, and humans look like specks next to him even from a great distance. by moving he smashes trees apart
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kabuto demonstrates he knows extensively about hashirama and zetsus power, thanks to oro i guess.
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most importantly he researched hashirama completely and developed a drug that suppresses mokuton
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this has its uses vs madara and danzo as well. logic would dictate he knows pretty much all of orochimarus techniques, firstly the ability to shed his skin and turn into a snake
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which blitzed and captured tenzo
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he can use hidden snake hands to restrain or bite his opponent
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oral regeneration
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and even formation of ten thousand snakes
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kabutos own snakes are large and powerful
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more clearly seen here where they are easily large enough to cover the length of half the cave
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To counter some genjutsu
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, Kabuto can use his snakes' ability to perceive their surroundings through sensing the ambient temperatures and smells using their tongues
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kabuto can spread his chakra to his snakes
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kabuto developed a liquefication technique similar to suigetsu
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and the same page shows him healing from a scratch in an instant thanks to karins healing power. he dodged susano arrow casually
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which even danzo and kakashi found difficult to counter, displaying incredible speed. he dodged chidori spear as well
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and even itachis point blank sword thrust
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uchiha bros have pretty much been unable to do much of anything to him. hes hardly even used his liquefying or healing.
like tsunade he can render useless most injuries
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using his medical talent and enhanced senjutsu, he can use the ability of all the sound 5. with jirobo he was able to form a cavern in the ground. with kidomaru he used webbing even raiton enhanced swords cannot cut through.
with kimimaro he can skewer opponents on a sea of bones as well as form an unbreakable defence.
and with tayuya he even caught the uchiha bros in genjutsu momentarily.
onto sage mode. explaining it quickly,
The user's physical strength, speed, stamina, reflexes, and durability dramatically increase.
The user's ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu become more powerful.
can harness the natural energy surrounding them, turning it into an extension of their body, which increases the reach of their attacks.
the ability to sense chakra around them.
further access to snake anatomy
no known weakness exists for kabutos version as it seems to be perfect.
using light and sound vibrations the sage art: white shock can paralyse and cause considerable pain to his opponent
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, even making them lose control of their jutsus. itachi resisted it since he was already dead. and one of the most dangerous techniques in his arsenal, muki tensei
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which controls his surroundings with nature chakra. only able to be countered by the extreme heat of amaterasu. and all this time hes never even tried to hurt sasuke
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in part 1 kabuto, who was only a bit older than itachi, was hailed as equal to kakashis strength
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tsunade admires him even more, suggesting kabuto may be better at medical ninjutsu than her own prime
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and according to him he is invincible and closer than anyone to rikudo sennin
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kabuto has a good sense of where to fight a battle, as seen here. exceptional strategic skill.
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mix that in with his medical and scientific talent, and oros extensive studying and you have a person who knows alot about everyone. not too many jutsus would surprise him.
hashiramas trees are first blocked by the unbreakable webs and bone forest then jirobos earth release is able to form a doton wall. if he uses muki tensie in tandem he could control the very landscape on a huge scale. kabutos demonstrated unimaginable speed. the uchiha bros have barely been able to hit him despite using yagata, amaterasu, susano arrow and swords. when fighting seriously kabuto completely blitzed even itachi whos seals were too fast for sharingan to follow. following that up with formation of ten thousand snakes, kabuto uses hiding like a mole to get to where hashirama is, then fires white shock flashbang. since kabuto can sense killer intent from fellow medical ninjas, hashirama will not surprise him with anything. kabuto should know about flower tree world and would counter accordingly, either by hiding in manda II or by hiding in the ground. chakra scalpel is as good as any weapon once kabuto closes for close combat, wood vs snakes. but its not like he can do anything under sound genjutsu anyway. darkness genjutsu is rendered totally useless by SM's sensing. kabuto can take soldier pills if he gets in trouble, and liquefy/regenerate if hit by great forest technique.
wood clones are troublesome at best.
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kabuto can suppress mokuton the very weapon he had against those two things. deprived of that, what does hashirama have? a scroll of weapons, healing, darkness genjutsu...
so is obito
he said thats what everyone agrees upon. but obviously hes not on hashiramas level. hes ABOVE it
kabuto blinded himself to block visual genjutsu and stil dodged everything. and kabuto stated he has no intention of trying to hurt sasuke
just sage mode?
and then manda
no he can make forests. kabuto LITERALLY changes the terrain especially with jirobos doton
kabuto escapes into the ground after liquefying then comes out all in hashirama's face with kimimaro activated. hashirama is impaled on bones
he knows it exists and would either escape using hiding like a mole technique or use jirobos earth release to bury it in the ground. or inorganic transmigration to raise a wall of the earth in front of him. hes already demonstrated he can fight blind. he can handle holding his breath
its useless against him since kabuto is fighting two uchiha bros without sight
why would it be the same? kabutos karins regen, and hashirama only has the senju version
kabuto has orochimarus abilities. hed summon a thousand little snakes
no he doesnt. madara said tsunade has the same ability to heal without seals as him. we dont know whos is better
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kabuto can suppress mokuton the very weapon he had against those two things. deprived of that, what does hashirama have? a scroll of weapons, healing, darkness genjutsu...
so is obito
he said thats what everyone agrees upon. but obviously hes not on hashiramas level. hes ABOVE it
kabuto blinded himself to block visual genjutsu and stil dodged everything. and kabuto stated he has no intention of trying to hurt sasuke
just sage mode?
and then manda
no he can make forests. kabuto LITERALLY changes the terrain especially with jirobos doton
kabuto escapes into the ground after liquefying then comes out all in hashirama's face with kimimaro activated. hashirama is impaled on bones
he knows it exists and would either escape using hiding like a mole technique or use jirobos earth release to bury it in the ground. or inorganic transmigration to raise a wall of the earth in front of him. hes already demonstrated he can fight blind. he can handle holding his breath
its useless against him since kabuto is fighting two uchiha bros without sight
why would it be the same? kabutos karins regen, and hashirama only has the senju version
kabuto has orochimarus abilities. hed summon a thousand little snakes
no he doesnt. madara said tsunade has the same ability to heal without seals as him. we dont know whos is better
I'm sorry but you guys do realize that this person hyped against himself right? Did he not say that nobody alive is on Hashirama's level?
First of All do you guys not realize that controlling a cave is 100%different than controlling the entire battlefield?
When is Kabuto going to get close enough to actually get Hashirama? He is going to have to deal with clones and an entire forrest attacking him and how is the earth splitting jutsu going to work considering it didn't actually destroy a whole forest?
His healing is amazing and the fact that he is a massive scale long range user gives him a huge advantage.
Is manda nearly as powerful as a TB? No considering that Hashirama made a few of the TB his Bitches I think Manda will be pointless.
Tree>little snakes
Hashirama has a forest and Kabuto is just one man. The fact that you are comparing him to Hashirama is crazy considering how Stacked he is.
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thats because no one alive is. but there are people who are ABOVE said level
a cave is not a battlefield?
when he fires his dragon flashbang jutsu making hashirama both blind and deaf then he moves in for the kill with sawarbi no mai, kidomarus webs and chakra scalpel. with sage mode perception, hashirama cant hit him and with liquefication/regen, he cannot hurt kabuto. especially blind and deaf. the fight vs sasuke would have ended with just that one jutsu had itachi not been there, immortal and all.
since when can hashirama make an entire forest in a nanosecond? since hed need that to survive kabutos initial onslaught in SM. he entered it within one chapter after all. so no mas prep time liek jiraiya needed
becasue when he splits the earth under his feet, hashirama cant form seals so easily. and then theres tayuyas genjutsu which would have defeated itachi without sasukes help
kabuto's is better/equal. he researched karin completely and added to him her uzumaki life force
only massive scale if the opponent just stands there and lets him make a forest
can naruto suppress kurama with his eyes? no because his name isnt sasuke and he has no sharingan. sasuke and hashirama were born with unique ability to suppress bijuus with their god given power. it does not transcend to other beings especially hashirama's unique power.
kabuto has control over anything thats not alive, and access to a giant bone forest, bones which are stronger than steel. kabuto is not one man. he is kabuto + orochimaru + sound 5 + juugo suigetsu and karin + NATURE ITSELF
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Hashirama probably because he can seal kabuto up once he gets close xd
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Kabuto is alive and he said Hashirama is stronger than him.
The cave is a small part of what Hashirama's battlefield can be.
So Hashirama is going to stand still and just wait for Kabuto to attack?
No he is going to use Nativity ane while he deals with that he can make clones or even the flower world. Or he could just change the battlefield and move far away from Kabuto.
Kabuto entered sage mode in one chapter while Madara made the flower world in 2 pages. Hashirama's mokuton is better than his and just as fast if not faster.
The earth splitting jutsu is pointless considering that Hashirama is not even going to be on the ground. And all he needs for mokuton is to clap his hands together.
Kabuto's is not better than his considering that Senju have the body and Uzamaki's are just an offshoot.
Hashirama's mokuton >any summon except enma.
Hashirama beat Madara and Kurama at the same time. Two OP people could destroy all named people.
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kabuto said hes invincible and closer to SO6P than anyone, as long as he has edo tensei annd muki tensei
yes because kabuto will use dragon flashbang to blind him
proof?
all kabuto and naruto need for SM is to close their eyes
senju are only famous for being jacks of all trades. uzumakis have fuinjutsu and incredible longevity/lifeforce
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no one knows what happened. his victory could be just luck, or maybe an intentional loss on madaras part to get hashis cells. and hashirama gained control of kurama, he did not fight him. unless your saying yamato defeated 4 tails and oro couldnt therefore yamato > sannin....only one human can stand toe to toe with a bijuu.
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He said he was closer than anybody alive. And he already said that Hashirama was stronger than anybody else alive.
Hashirama can fight blind no problem. BOD and he can use it on Kabuto.
Senju were known for it as well due to their sage body. The uzamaki were only an offshoot.
Hashirama had to fight to gain control of Kurama he had a little fight time with Kurama. And Madara said that Hashirama beat him. If he had won by luck we would have heard about it. Hashirama owned his ass.
And Hashirama has better Mokuton. To say that he doesn't is just trolling.
Madara only has a small part of Hashirama (Madara siys himslef that its just a bit of power hanging on to him) And Hashirama is a full living senju who was the creator and only natural ocuring user of it.
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This is no edo thread
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I don't know who would win. It would be a very interesting fight. And I love it how now Kabuto can be compared to Hashirama, even without Edo Tensei.