Hiruzen (god debate)

[TheSages456]

You need SENJU dna to use izanagii.. It was not existing.. gtfo
Izanami either needs senju dna or ms..

You have no argument what so ever..

i'll come back to this thread later.. it's 2:18 in the morning

lol so all the uchihas that were able to use izanagi over history had senju dna. izanagi and izanami were labeled as uchiha kinjutsu.

 

[Thewargoeson]

lol so all the uchihas that were able to use izanagi over history had senju dna. izanagi and izanami were labeled as uchiha kinjutsu.

yes they had to have senju DNA thts how the technique works

 

[TheSages456]

sigh yes they are in the village. but the fact tht only uchiha can use the techniques means tht its an uchiha technique not a konoha technique.
and i will say it again. nothing ur arguing right now is relevant to my thread. so what if he cnt use uchiha techniques? r u saying kishi lied? r u saying he said tht hiruzen cud use all konoha techniques jst to turn around and say he's lying. ya i dnt think so. uk hashi cudnt use uchiha or hyuuga techniques either

why would i care about hashirama not being able to use uchiha techs? he doesnt have false hype like hiruzen.

 

[TheSages456]

yes they had to have senju DNA thts how the technique works

i guess itachi has senju dna then since izanagi and izanami is a pair.

 

[Thewargoeson]

why would i care about hashirama not being able to use uchiha techs? he doesnt have false hype like hiruzen.

ur ignorant.
u conviniently ignored everything else i said. well done u've officially lost ur argument.

 

[Thewargoeson]

i guess itachi has senju dna then since izanagi and izanami is a pair.

take a look here

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proves tht izanami doesnt need senju DNA. and Itachi has never shown to be able to use izanagi

 

[TheSages456]

ur ignorant.
u conviniently ignored everything else i said. well done u've officially lost ur argument.

u lost the argunent ever since you said hiruzen>kurama

 

[Thewargoeson]

u lost the argunent ever since you said hiruzen>kurama

hahaha watever u say. cuz this thread was totally about tht xd.
goodnight sir. i wish u luck in ur future endevours
p.s. u have not disproved a single thing ive said. think about it. come up with something better and then come back and tlk

 

[TheSages456]

take a look here

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proves tht izanami doesnt need senju DNA. and Itachi has never shown to be able to use izanagi

my point was to prove that neither izanagi or izanami need senju dna. that thread just further helps my argument and proves that izanagi and izanami were existing jutsu when hiruzen was made hokage.

true uchihas izanagi=incomplete
non-uchiha with denju dna=incomplete
true uchiha with senju dna=complete

i already won this debate and i am going to bed now as it is rather late. its 2:38 AM.

 

[Thewargoeson]

my point was to prove that neither izanagi or izanami need senju dna. that thread just further helps my argument and proves that izanagi and izanami were existing jutsu when hiruzen was made hokage.

true uchihas izanagi=incomplete
non-uchiha with denju dna=incomplete
true uchiha with senju dna=complete

i already won this debate and i am going to bed now as it is rather late. its 2:38 AM.

haha won the debate? :sy:
whatever u say buddy watever u say.
next time try actually proving something k?
goodnight sleep well
p.s. the fact tht he cnt use izanagi or izanami is comletely irrelevant.
uve ignored jst about every point ive made bcuz u have no counter.
did u notice how u didnt even comment on how i said wud kishi lie?
no u didnt u only said "who cares if hashi can use izanami"
re read the whole argument and then come back and tell me u make sense .
night!

 

[Zlad]

Hashirama was god, Hiruzen wasnt. End

 

[Kurama2012]

Ok as we all know there has been a HUGE debate on the base about who's better hiruzen or hashirama.
while re-reading the manga i found something tht i feel cud hopefully put an end to it.
One of the main arguments people have is that "Hiruzen was hailed as the god of shinobi"

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that page has been used alot, but it's a miss translation what orochimaru actually says is "its so pitifull that even you who has been hailed as a shinobi god, are vulnerable to the passage of time"
now i do know for a fact that this is the exact translation. so look at the bolded part in the translation. notice the a. this a is crucial to this argument. the a implies plural, which wud mean there have been other "gods of shinobi".
for example hashirama, madara, SO6P.
Now do not get me wrong hiruzen is incredibly powerful, definetly top ten (imo).
so the point of this thread is to say altho hiruzen is strong we cnt say he's stronger than anyone bcuz he was hailed as a god.

but while im on the subject of hiruzen i jst feel like trying to put an end to people underestimating him.
Ok as we all know hiruzen was nicknamed the professor bcuz he knew all existing konoha ninjutsu (besides KG techniques obviously).

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Now what i've seen is people completely overlooking this fact.
Do u all realize what know all existing konoha ninjutsu. (now ik we have no technical proof tht he knows them all but if he oro said he cud i dnt see why we shudnt believe him)
It means he can use; rasengan, chidori, FTG, edo tensei.
ya i said it, FTG and edo. For these reasons; FTG is not a KG it was invented by minato. and as we all know he invented it while hiruzen was alive. so if oro said he knew all konoha ninjutsu tht wud include FTG.
Same with edo, hiruzen didnt use it because he thot of it as a disgusting inhuman technique because u had to sacrifice someone.
and I think he didnt use FTG bcuz it didnt fit to his fighting style. he was a mid range fighter who takes things slow and analyzes things.
hahaha sry got off track xd. but my point is we cnt tell if hiruzen or hashirama is stronger bcuz they are both god like shinobi. and my second point is people shudnt underestimate hiruzen, he's a boss.

he cant do ftg he would have used it who wouldnt use it and saying oh it doesnt fit his style thats just stupid all he has to do is mark a place.
if he did know ftg then it most likely would be the one his body guards know and he cant do chidori as he needs lightning style and when it says all konaha jutsu i believe it means the standard jutsu like shadow clone its the jutsu the village created not just a single shinobi

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

hiruzen prime = jiraiya as a genin/chunin, if youre going to reference jutsu's at least do so with those that actually existed during the time hiruzen was known as the professor or those that arnt inherited by blood

people talking about raikiri and blood line limits :sy:

 

[bello99]

The reason Y oro. Said dat waz becuz he waz his master.....that is Y oro said dat if it waz possible 2 ask Hiruzen weather he waz stronger dan his masters he would say No....so Hiruzen is No god.....

 

[NotAnyones FanBoy]

U say he can use FTG, but maybe he can just use it like the 3 guys teleporting Mei did. They needed help to perform it. Hiruzen prob didnt master it fully like Minato. Hiruzen might get in top 10 but i dont think he can beat Hashi at all

 

[sageXXreborn]

i dont think hiruzen is god really

 

[Houssem]

Hiruzen is really strong (dont know about the edo and ftg thing ) but he aint no God. Hashirama is.
Even Minato > Hiruzen . But he's def top 10 .

 

[blueopossum]

oro is weak

at least he was able to give kyubi naruto one of his most difficult fights, one of the only enemies that took him that far(at the time) and got away safely.

 

[Mante]

Naw he never learnt them


In hiruzen's prime, AT that point in time.. he knew all the EXISTING justu in konoha..
Kakashi probably wasn't even born yet, etc.. Minato would be a toddler..

When oro was fighting hashirama, his words were

"You used to be called the professor, for once knowing and being able to use all existing konoha jutsu"

Note his entire sentence is past.. New ninja and jutsu like ftg ect he probably didn't know..

However he may have had rasengan... it's not that difficult to learn, even kakashi had it... It's molding chakra into a ball.. someone with his chakra control can do it in one try..

We do see however though in old age, hiruzen did try to keep up with his arsenal of jutsu, he went ahead and learned minato's Death god seal..

u said hashirama O_O

 

[true enigma]

They is suck and are overrated to me, until kishi shows me somthing impressive about em... they suck and i dnt even wna disccuss about the guys. I see it as a flower maker and a guy with talent for learning jutsu... how lame.