Hiruzen Strength Completely Analysed
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For your last statement... if we look the age difference between Minato and Hiruzen, I'd say about 30-40 years, agreed let's make it 30. Let's say the 1st hokage became the first hokage at the age of 18, yes following along are you? That meaning there would be an age difference of 60 years between The First and Third Hokage. All I'm trying to say is, there is in no way in actual reality my dear friend that The Third in his prime encountered the mokuton clones of The First. Through the actual time span of The First dying and the new shinobi war, there could've been clans that could see right through it.It was perfected, but not at that time reallyNow Kabuto easily controls pleny of people, Orochimaru wasn't able to fully control 2
And shown Hiruzen in part 2 can only cry for Minato.
REMEMBER - THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN SEE THROUGH MOKUTON CLONES ARE MADARA UCHIHA, HIRUZEN CAN'T DO THAT.
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blackbird31468
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ah good found the scan
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Jiraya was saying that it is normally impossible to do it by Ones Self
jiraya just taught him some basics and left, and on his own he MASTERED 6 elements..
Any other person would need a teacher skilled in that element.. he did it as a kid with noone ... That is what was unprecedented
If mastering all the types of ninjutsu was never done before, he would have just said
"He did something impossible, master all types of shape manipulation"
he didn't .. it has been done before
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USSJ Future Trunks
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"this aint like you" doesnt mean "your nothing compared to your prime
oro wasnt beaten. he said "i cant beat itachi" not "i could never beat itachi"
no he didnt. he said if they fought theyd at least injure each other badly.
exactly. but he also wasnt alive during the time of minato and nagato so yeah. hanzo was the most famous during that era anyway. part 2 overrides part 1 in this case.
he hadnt thought of all their abilities however
thats why hes superior to hiruzen
not beat him. but the reaper seal would have worked. theyd have killed each other
the thing is..kishi has retconned all of that. according to jiraiya, everyone pales in comparison to minato.
according to raikage, there was never a man who could surpass minato
flee on sight
and then theres the quotes about hashirama. called a fairy tale like the sage of six paths, stronger than madara, no one currently on his level besides kabuto naruto and tobi etc.
he was practically crying when he was remembering young oro. i seriously doubt you will go all out from the start against your own beloved student no matter how far he falls. otherwise enma would have come out immediately.
you need SOME kind of unique ability. hashi had mokuton. tobirama had edo tensei. tsunade has byakugo. minato has FTG/frogs
oro made it clear if he was 10 years younger hed pull his soul all the way out. but we've seen 53 year old hiruzen and i wasnt impressed.
bee is anything but slow
probably fukasaku. he spent alot of time away from konoha
that only works for people like gai. kakashi was oneshotted
sorry no. hashirama was the highest level shinobi and had bijuus under his control. said by madara/tobi. kabuto also said theres no one on his level anymore. madaras the trump card because he was hashis rival. oro killed hiruzen yet no one said "zomg oro must be teh strongest". and as for being strongest of 5 kage, jinton was supposed to be like a secret, and so is A's speed. kabuto as a kid wouldnt know everything about those kages. he was going off of what other leaf shinobi say about hiruzen.
lol wut? the man purported as unbeatable even among akatsukis who are all hokage level shinobi?
there also must have been a reason why third raikages the only one to go up against a bijuu without a bloodline control ability and the only one to fight 10 000 enemies alone. there must be a reason why the third's hype was said before tsunade became hokage. there must be a reason why kabuto said hes invincible. there must be a reason why itachi thinks tobis madara etc etc etc.
QFT. only nagato can do it
Kudos to you, this is a very nice thread which sheds some light upon the greatness that was Hiruzen in his prime, and that according to Kishimoto shares the spot with Minato as the strongest dead shinobi in the series.I've been wanting to make this thread for a while , But I have some time on my hands, so i thought why not t.t
In this thread I'll completely analyse ever aspect of hiruzen sarutobi, all his feats, hype, and i'll throw in a few guesses as well
Ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu
- Without a doubt, Hiruzen Sarutobi was if not is one of the most skilled ninjas when it comes to all the forms of ninja combat, Not saying that there aren't others who have surpassed him individually, But i don't believe anyone has surpassed his expert allroundedness...
We are first introduced to Sarutobi Hiruzen as Hokage of the leaf village.. His skill in nijutsu rivaling that of Hatake kakashi , in that he was capable of using over 1000 different types of jutsuOfc this is no small feat, Having an arsenal of that amount of jutsu would take a very long time for most, but it would ensure that you have a counter for almost every attack possible in a battle..You must be registered for see images
Further information on Hiruzen, by orochimaru, indicates that he was once given the title ProfessorYou must be registered for see imagesHiruzen, at one point in the past was able to use EVERY existing Konoha jutsu ,
Do note orochimaru's wording, he not only spoke in past tense , but used the word existing.. meaning operating at a current time... This means hiruzen was not able to use every konoha jutsu that EVER existed.. He is not sayinig that... Hiruzen was able to use every jutsu, of the people currently alive in Konoha.. which would probably include ninjas like Sakume hatake ... .
If you've read this far you're probably thinking that using every existing konoha jutsu would require 5 elements? , Well yes, I'm here to explain to you that Hiruzen had 4-5 elements, He may not have had wind since it's rare in Konoha, but it's likely at least one person had it ...
I already know you're going to say
"It's impossible to have 5 elements , without rinnegan that is"
WRONG , infact Anyone can learn all the elements, it would just take a ridculous amount of time for most.. But hiruzen is no normal ninja...He is a genius with skills in ninjutsu beyond anyone ever seen in the manga bar nagato.... Members of his clan also seem to have some sort of talent in learning jutsu extremely fast, as seen with konohamaru ....
But back to the chakra,In this first databook page, you see kishi says " While it depends on the person, Most individuals can tap into one chakra nature easily. At the jonin level, most can use two or more"You must be registered for see images
This corelates with what Kakashi said.. NOWHERE has kakashi said that 1 or 2 was your limit... he simply said that you are born with an AFFINITY... this is the element that best suits you... You learn it easier than all the rest... Jonins, usually have their affinity + one other element..
Further proof that anyone can learn 5 elements is
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Kishi's clear and exact words- " Mastery of all natures can take years of training"
^ , I do hope this will end the debate on whether a person can get 5 elements.. The thing different about Nagato was that he was capable of doing it at a VERY young age, IMPOSSIBLE for most....
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Hiruzen was stated in the manga to be incredibly skilled in genjutsu, knowing over 1000 of them ALONE .... and mastering each one... along wiith the 5 he was giving in databooks, it shows his expertise in this skill..
Hiruzen's taijutsu in his old form was still extremely good... despite it being significantly weaker than his prime performance according to enma... He was still armed with tricks that even orochimaru missed and was surprised at..
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Prime
Hiruzen's prime state, has been given unrivaled hype throughout this manga... there is no other character but the so6p that was given any better hype than him...
We have his statement from irukaStating that he was considered the strongest hokage of all.. Note this is not a direct statement, nor is it Iruka's OPINION..... iruka is simply stating, that a majority of people , consider Hiruzen as the strongest of the former hokage....You must be registered for see images
Next up we have Kabuto's statement ..Kabuto, if you haven't realized, Is a very informative person... He has been a spy all his life and thus has a load of knowledge from past and present events... He has spied in every village since a child , and knows things others don't knowYou must be registered for see imagesSo when kabuto says that a majority of people consider hiruzen to have been the strongest kage, once again it isn't his opinion.. it's the opinion of many villages, data that he's collected over years ,the opinion of masses.. that hiruzen was without a doubt stronger....You must be registered for see images
But what makes hiruzen this strong? what made him so powerful that people would call him a god of shinobi?
We have a man that has mastered ninjutsu, all forms... Trained by both the former hokages, And who's databook ranking in his old age, scored almost all 5's...You must be registered for see imagesApart from the things that would have obviously declined with age...
Here we have hiruzen's statement that unlike before , he found enma heavy, showing a significant decrease in strength..You must be registered for see images
enma's statement that, his overall performance in taijutsu was lacking...You must be registered for see images
and finally statements by anbu members that hiruzen's chakra has significantly decreased since his prime, which affects his stanima greatlyYou must be registered for see images
People bring up that fight oro as an attempt to bellitle his power, and call his hype lies... but they fail to realize that he was just in a horrible condition..
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One where his stanima is ridiculously low, he can't use any of his powerful jutsu, or ANY chakra taxing jutsu.. nothing...
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A man who could not perform in battle..
jutsu like moukouton, which orochimaru and enma hinted he could have dodged, he wasn't able to...as enma said.. the battle was NOTHING like him atall..You must be registered for see images
But even then, even though hiruzen was so incredibly weak compared to his prime, Kishi still considered old hiruzen equal to oro..You must be registered for see images
I'm not even nearly done with this thread
UnrealSoul
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The blasphemy people present against stated facts is astounding.Really people?He is the strongest hokage ever...
naruttebayo
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dude you just forgot to add one very important thing he fought 1st & 2ndI've been wanting to make this thread for a while , But I have some time on my hands, so i thought why not t.t
In this thread I'll completely analyse ever aspect of hiruzen sarutobi, all his feats, hype, and i'll throw in a few guesses as well
Ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu
- Without a doubt, Hiruzen Sarutobi was if not is one of the most skilled ninjas when it comes to all the forms of ninja combat, Not saying that there aren't others who have surpassed him individually, But i don't believe anyone has surpassed his expert allroundedness...
We are first introduced to Sarutobi Hiruzen as Hokage of the leaf village.. His skill in nijutsu rivaling that of Hatake kakashi , in that he was capable of using over 1000 different types of jutsuOfc this is no small feat, Having an arsenal of that amount of jutsu would take a very long time for most, but it would ensure that you have a counter for almost every attack possible in a battle..You must be registered for see images
Further information on Hiruzen, by orochimaru, indicates that he was once given the title ProfessorYou must be registered for see imagesHiruzen, at one point in the past was able to use EVERY existing Konoha jutsu ,
Do note orochimaru's wording, he not only spoke in past tense , but used the word existing.. meaning operating at a current time... This means hiruzen was not able to use every konoha jutsu that EVER existed.. He is not sayinig that... Hiruzen was able to use every jutsu, of the people currently alive in Konoha.. which would probably include ninjas like Sakume hatake ... .
If you've read this far you're probably thinking that using every existing konoha jutsu would require 5 elements? , Well yes, I'm here to explain to you that Hiruzen had 4-5 elements, He may not have had wind since it's rare in Konoha, but it's likely at least one person had it ...
I already know you're going to say
"It's impossible to have 5 elements , without rinnegan that is"
WRONG , infact Anyone can learn all the elements, it would just take a ridculous amount of time for most.. But hiruzen is no normal ninja...He is a genius with skills in ninjutsu beyond anyone ever seen in the manga bar nagato.... Members of his clan also seem to have some sort of talent in learning jutsu extremely fast, as seen with konohamaru ....
But back to the chakra,In this first databook page, you see kishi says " While it depends on the person, Most individuals can tap into one chakra nature easily. At the jonin level, most can use two or more"You must be registered for see images
This corelates with what Kakashi said.. NOWHERE has kakashi said that 1 or 2 was your limit... he simply said that you are born with an AFFINITY... this is the element that best suits you... You learn it easier than all the rest... Jonins, usually have their affinity + one other element..
Further proof that anyone can learn 5 elements is
You must be registered for see images
Kishi's clear and exact words- " Mastery of all natures can take years of training"
^ , I do hope this will end the debate on whether a person can get 5 elements.. The thing different about Nagato was that he was capable of doing it at a VERY young age, IMPOSSIBLE for most....
You must be registered for see images
Hiruzen was stated in the manga to be incredibly skilled in genjutsu, knowing over 1000 of them ALONE .... and mastering each one... along wiith the 5 he was giving in databooks, it shows his expertise in this skill..
Hiruzen's taijutsu in his old form was still extremely good... despite it being significantly weaker than his prime performance according to enma... He was still armed with tricks that even orochimaru missed and was surprised at..
You must be registered for see images
Prime
Hiruzen's prime state, has been given unrivaled hype throughout this manga... there is no other character but the so6p that was given any better hype than him...
We have his statement from irukaStating that he was considered the strongest hokage of all.. Note this is not a direct statement, nor is it Iruka's OPINION..... iruka is simply stating, that a majority of people , consider Hiruzen as the strongest of the former hokage....You must be registered for see images
Next up we have Kabuto's statement ..Kabuto, if you haven't realized, Is a very informative person... He has been a spy all his life and thus has a load of knowledge from past and present events... He has spied in every village since a child , and knows things others don't knowYou must be registered for see imagesSo when kabuto says that a majority of people consider hiruzen to have been the strongest kage, once again it isn't his opinion.. it's the opinion of many villages, data that he's collected over years ,the opinion of masses.. that hiruzen was without a doubt stronger....You must be registered for see images
But what makes hiruzen this strong? what made him so powerful that people would call him a god of shinobi?
We have a man that has mastered ninjutsu, all forms... Trained by both the former hokages, And who's databook ranking in his old age, scored almost all 5's...You must be registered for see imagesApart from the things that would have obviously declined with age...
Here we have hiruzen's statement that unlike before , he found enma heavy, showing a significant decrease in strength..You must be registered for see images
enma's statement that, his overall performance in taijutsu was lacking...You must be registered for see images
and finally statements by anbu members that hiruzen's chakra has significantly decreased since his prime, which affects his stanima greatlyYou must be registered for see images
People bring up that fight oro as an attempt to bellitle his power, and call his hype lies... but they fail to realize that he was just in a horrible condition..
You must be registered for see images
One where his stanima is ridiculously low, he can't use any of his powerful jutsu, or ANY chakra taxing jutsu.. nothing...
You must be registered for see images
A man who could not perform in battle..
jutsu like moukouton, which orochimaru and enma hinted he could have dodged, he wasn't able to...as enma said.. the battle was NOTHING like him atall..You must be registered for see images
But even then, even though hiruzen was so incredibly weak compared to his prime, Kishi still considered old hiruzen equal to oro..You must be registered for see images
I'm not even nearly done with this thread
simultaneously and sealed them , ofc he died but 2 hokage's were too much could have finished any normal guy in sec. , not only he survived long
he sealed them both also he used shadow clones to seal those two simultaneously which means he actually improved the sealing technique of minato and shown great intelligence at very critical situation
hiruzen ROCKS
it's not like i don't believe you , but i'm curious ,can you tell me where can i find that interview
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Yea soz, Bringer of darkness, tobirama's suuiton, moukouton, would be the end for most other ninjas put into his scenario
the fact that his chakra levels were so depleted from age that he couldn't use any of his high level jutsu, yet he still held his own.. shows his skill
SAGE OF ALL ELEMENTS
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Unorthodox
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kakashi owns all
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MAN i was working on a word doc during study hall with 99% of whats up there to post thanks man........+rep and most know how i feel on this subject but if you dont i agree with the maker
ohhh and one thing i forgot that i had wrote about the elements part he has a very high likelihood for wind due to his son having it right?
ohhh and one thing i forgot that i had wrote about the elements part he has a very high likelihood for wind due to his son having it right?
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