Sasukes chakra against Danzo is overestimated

Bogard · May 7, 2012

Yes i believe Sasukes chakra is overestimated, and i think it's the case cuz he was able to kill Danzo several times in Izanagi mode, but what people are forgetting is that the fight only took 10minutes(maybe less or more though).

Why i say that? It's because like Karin has seen it, Danzo can only maintain Izanagi for 1minute. And after 1Izanagi he must activate that again. Because Danzo has 10Izanagis and was continuous using it during the fight(except sometimes like when Sasuke was immobilise for example), that means the fight only last in 10minutes. And when you add the fact that plenty of time he was killed(in Izanagi mode) even before the end of the minute, that means the fight even last less than 10minutes.

I estimate it only took Sasuke between 8 or 11minutes at most to beat Danzo.

Now i will go by fact, i mean by that his use of MS technics at that time:

If you analyse perfectly, before Sasuke got healed by Karin, he used:
- 1Amaterasu(and he was sweating cuz of the side effects)
- 1weak Tsukiyomi
- 1summoning jutsu
- 1katon jutsu
- 3arrows(and he was coughing up blood while doing that)

And that's all. The rest of the time he used an incomplete Susanoo(during a huge period i admit that) to continuously protect himself, or crush Danzo sometimes(at the begin of the fight, when Danzo was trying to go through Susanoo. That's all)and during that he was coughing up blood almost everytime and besides that, it was only taijutsu. It seemed like Sasuke used too much chakra, only cuz Danzo was quickly defeated that's all, but when we see it he didn't did that much.

If we compare with a dying Itachi for example against the same Sasuke, we have:
- 1genjutsu
- 1kage bunshin(that takes half of chakra)
- 1tsukiyomi
- 2katon jutsus
- 2Amaterasu
- 1seal jutsu(seal of Amaterasu)
- 1Susanoo to protect himself against Kirin.

After that he used a complete Susanoo(in the contrary of Sasuke and that takes much more chakra i guess) to crush Orochimaru and he used it for a while also:

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Like you can see, even with his illness, blind and after he used a lot of jutsus, he was able to maintain Susanoo for long and it was even a complete Susanoo were he crushed several times Orochimarus hydras jutsu, sealed him with totsuka and walking calmly to reach Sasuke. The difference was in the use. Sasuke against Danzo used quickly Susanoo to crush Danzo, when Itachi took his time, but if we compare Sasuke didn't use Susanoo much more than Itachi(even if i agree he used more), and it wasn't even complete, which i think takes much more chakra. He only used a full Susanoo once, and it was against Kakashi, after he got revived by Karin, and he got bling quickly after that.

That's why when i see in some threads things like: "Sasuke will spamm arrows and it's over", that makes me laugh. He can't do that. That takes too much chakra. You can even notice that after Amaterasu against Danzo, he had side effects of it, and after he used Susanoo for a short period he was already coughing up blood.

But it seems that with EMS he can use that much more without having too much side effects of it, but i wait to see him using Susanoo in continue for too long to have an opinion about it.:noc:

spokentruth · May 7, 2012

Didnt Read but nice 2 see u pour ur heart in soul out 2 prove something now summarize that so the debate can begin

Pavoneo · May 7, 2012

Keep in mind the fact that he just finished fighting the Raikage, and Kakashi, if you want to consider that a fight. But I do see your point and I respect you for it. It was a well put together thread. +rep

Rapid · May 7, 2012

Sasuke chakra is fine its that with Ms Susanoo causes pain to his body, now with EMS he feels no pain

Hattake Ryuzaki · May 7, 2012

i dont understand what to debate (to long to read) sasuke clearly defeated danzo in combat

huzaifa555 · May 7, 2012

Yes you can say sausage is not that experined with his eyes but idk about chakra Kurma said its more eviler then his and stuff so idk about that.

Bogard · May 7, 2012

Pavoneo said:
Keep in mind the fact that he just finished fighting the Raikage, and Kakashi, if you want to consider that a fight. But I do see your point and I respect you for it. It was a well put together thread. +rep

Maybe but don't forget that between these fight, Karin was there to heal him and recover, and like we're seeing it with Kabuto, her healing power is really effective(it heals in an instant). It regenerates organs and cells like you can see here:

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His wound is disappearing.
So against Danzo, Sasuke was perfectly fine.
Also thanks for the +rep

Dantee · May 7, 2012

When did Sasuke ever complain about chakra. Karin healed him because Sasuke just got stabbed by a kunai not because he was out of chakra. :sy:

Bogard · May 8, 2012

Dantee said:
When did Sasuke ever complain about chakra. Karin healed him because Sasuke just got stabbed by a kunai not because he was out of chakra. :sy:

Chakra is related to stamina. When your stamina is low, your chakra is also(first lesson of Ebisu sensei). And when you get hurt or/and fight for long by using jutsu, your stamina decrease and so your chakra.

kellzfresh · May 8, 2012

Firstly, sasuke fought killerbee, then a couple of days later fought the five kages, then karin healed the weakened sasuke just before danzo fight.
Secondly, itachi's chakra cannot be compared to sasuke. Sasuke used all the techniques you listed while the susanoo was active. Even tobi said sasuke was overdoing it (susanoo + amaterasu). Itachi used all the techniques without active susanoo. I dont need to tell you the toll susanoo takes on the user by only activating it.
Itachi mostly likes to finish off his fights with genjutsu because he doesnt have the chakra to spam susanoo all the time. U_U
Sasuke has more chakra than itachi, and almost the same as madara, even the nine tails said it. U_U

-Vegeta- · May 8, 2012

Let's take a look at what Sasuke has done after his acquisition of EMS.

He first uses a full susanoo and enton/amaterasu to kill Zetsu.

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He then uses a full susanoo and enton/amaterasu again to kill Zetsu clones.

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Then he uses a genjutsu on Zetsu.

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Then he again uses a incomplete susanoo with enton/amaterasu to kill the last remaining Zetsu clone.

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Then he uses the ribcade susanoo to attack Itachi.

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Then he uses stage 2 susanoo to defend against Kabuto's snakes.

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Then he uses his stage 3 susanoo to attack Kabuto with his arrows.

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He then activates susanoo again to defend against Kabuto's attack, but can't maintain it due to Kabuto's jutsu.

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Then he uses chidori to try and attack Kabuto.

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Then he activates stage 3 susanoo again to attack Kabuto with his arrows.

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He then uses amaterasu to protect himself and Itachi from Kabuto.

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After all of this Sasuke hasn't shown one sign of exhaustion. It's pretty clear Sasuke has a significant amount of chakra.

Bogard · May 8, 2012

-Vegeta- said:
Let's take a look at what Sasuke has done after his acquisition of EMS.

He first uses a full susanoo and enton/amaterasu to kill Zetsu.

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He then uses a full susanoo and enton/amaterasu again to kill Zetsu clones.

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Then he uses a genjutsu on Zetsu.

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Then he again uses a incomplete susanoo with enton/amaterasu to kill the last remaining Zetsu clone.

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Then he uses the ribcade susanoo to attack Itachi.

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Then he uses stage 2 susanoo to defend against Kabuto's snakes.

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Then he uses his stage 3 susanoo to attack Kabuto with his arrows.

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He then activates susanoo again to defend against Kabuto's attack, but can't maintain it due to Kabuto's jutsu.

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Then he uses chidori to try and attack Kabuto.

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Then he activates stage 3 susanoo again to attack Kabuto with his arrows.

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He then uses amaterasu to protect himself and Itachi from Kabuto.

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After all of this Sasuke hasn't shown one sign of exhaustion. It's pretty clear Sasuke has a significant amount of chakra.

You're right. In EMS mode, he seemed to have better control of his technics, that's why i've said at that at the end of my post, but you also forget that he did that but not in a continuous fight. For example on your first pic, he did that a while ago. After that he had time to go through 2villages(and maybe days also) without fighting. So he had enough time to recover.
After that he used Susanoo several times like you show on your pics, but what really affects Sasuke is to use Susanoo in continue in a fight, not only by moment and stop, eventhough it still takes a lot chakra. You can see it in the fight against Danzo. To use Susanoo didn't took him a lot of chakra, but after using it during a certain period in continue, he was coughing up blood just because to maintain the jutsu, it drains your chakra and life expectancy.

So i think to judge it better we must wait a long fight like right now for example, where he use Susanoo in continue, but like you can see, he doesn't even use full Susanoo, and even when he uses Susanoo it's just by moment to protect himself and after that he doesn't use that anymore, just cuz like i've said, it takes a lot chakra and to maintain it so long reduce your life expectancy(i think the databook talk about something like that).

Anyway, i'm not saying you're wrong. Sasuke has a lot chakra to maintain Susanoo even more than Itachi, but it's in continue that there is a problem and that's why against Danzo he could "only" use 3arrows,1Amaterasu,1Tsukiyomi. The rest of the time, he was either smashing Danzo with incomplete Susanoo, or protecting himself with it.

Anyway i wasn't even talking about current Sasukes chakra that we doesn't know that much, but about the chakra of Sasuke against Danzo.

Rapid · May 8, 2012

-Vegeta- said:
Let's take a look at what Sasuke has done after his acquisition of EMS.

He first uses a full susanoo and enton/amaterasu to kill Zetsu.

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He then uses a full susanoo and enton/amaterasu again to kill Zetsu clones.

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Then he uses a genjutsu on Zetsu.

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Then he again uses a incomplete susanoo with enton/amaterasu to kill the last remaining Zetsu clone.

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Then he uses the ribcade susanoo to attack Itachi.

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Then he uses stage 2 susanoo to defend against Kabuto's snakes.

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Then he uses his stage 3 susanoo to attack Kabuto with his arrows.

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He then activates susanoo again to defend against Kabuto's attack, but can't maintain it due to Kabuto's jutsu.

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Then he uses chidori to try and attack Kabuto.

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Then he activates stage 3 susanoo again to attack Kabuto with his arrows.

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He then uses amaterasu to protect himself and Itachi from Kabuto.

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After all of this Sasuke hasn't shown one sign of exhaustion. It's pretty clear Sasuke has a significant amount of chakra.

I agree Vegeta EMS Burns very little chakra from sasuke

Sasukes chakra against Danzo is overestimated

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