Why jiraiya > itachi full detailed thread on this subject.

[Owarij]

A>B>C doesn't exist in this manga. It's as if someone says that Gai>Kisame>Bee just cuz Gai has beaten someone Bee wasn't capable to. That's why i see the comparison between Jiraya, Orochimaru and Itachi really funny. Each of them have their feats. If Oro wasn't able to counter Itachi, that doesn't mean Jiraya can't. Like it doesn't mean that if Jiraya can counter Itachi when Oro can't, it means automatically that he is stronger than Orochimaru. They don't have the same feats.

who said because itachi beat oro he'd beat jiraya?
nope, You no reasonable basis to say that jiraya WON'T look into his eyes,

Intellegence ? nope orochimaru has that
Experience? Nope they're all just about the same age
Knowledge and skill in genjutsu? Nope orochimaru has that also
Knowledge of itachi's abilities? Looky there, orochimaru has that to

You also have no counter for him escaping amatersau in his base mode, No reasonable answer as to how he is going to get into sage mode etc..

 

[Prince Charles]

who said because itachi beat oro he'd beat jiraya?
nope, You no reasonable basis to say that jiraya WON'T look into his eyes,

Intellegence ? nope orochimaru has that
Experience? Nope they're all just about the same age
Knowledge and skill in genjutsu? Nope orochimaru has that also
Knowledge of itachi's abilities? Looky there, orochimaru has that to

You also have no counter for him escaping amatersau in his base mode, No reasonable answer as to how he is going to get into sage mode etc..

didnt i already explain how he gets prep time to go in sage mode and escape amatersau in the op? did you even read it?

 

[Prince Charles]

Im still waiting for the manga chapter Cerox0 or do you think you were fooling anybody when you said this. Perhaps we are reading different manga's :sy:

what i want to know can itachi counter frog genjutsu?

 

[Bogard]

didnt i already explain how he gets prep time to go in sage mode and escape amatersau in the op? did you even read it?

No, he only read what he want to.

 

[silmarill]

Itachi wins

He beats jiraiya in everything
jutsus
intelligence
speed
even if he would get in sm it would make no difference , taijutsu would be easily blocked by Itachi as seen in current fight vs Kabuto who sm is superior to Jirayia
The truth is Itachi wouldnt even need ms sharingan to defeat him
He could use the same paralyze genjutsu like he used on Oro and bcs Jiraiya is no freak like Oro a missing hand would mean hes fkd

 

[Yondaime Namikaze]

Bullshit .... Jiraya>itachi
itachi is a overrated b-i-t-c-h
And im not dicussing my reasons so f-u-c-k o-f-f

 

[Owarij]

what i want to know can itachi counter frog genjutsu?

I read your entire op, and haven't seen your way for jiraya to get this prep time, and your other points have already been refuted, by other people and me :S

 

[Prince Charles]

Im still waiting for the manga chapter Cerox0 or do you think you were fooling anybody when you said this. Perhaps we are reading different manga's :sy:

Itachi wins

He beats jiraiya in everything
jutsus
intelligence
speed
even if he would get in sm it would make no difference , taijutsu would be easily blocked by Itachi as seen in current fight vs Kabuto who sm is superior to Jirayia
The truth is Itachi wouldnt even need ms sharingan to defeat him

no he doesnt

jman beats him in taijutsu because of his sage mode

sage mode increases reflexes,durability,strength,and speed

itachi beats jman in jutsu's? please...

speed? alright i do agree on that tho but sage mode gives the user sensing abilities so jman will be able to sense danger from itachi

itachi would need ms sharigan to beat him? do you know how dum that sounds?

if he used no ms that meens to sussano,no tykuomi,no amatarsu, those 3 main things are his biggest threat dont underrate jirayaia.

 

[uchiha3]

its a close battle
but jiraiya would lose because he already lost to Pain..............
if jiraiya had naruto then the battle would be in jiraiya favor

 

[uchiha3]

:sy::flaw::asuma:

 

[Prince Charles]

I read your entire op, and haven't seen your way for jiraya to get this prep time, and your other points have already been refuted, by other people and me :S

if you did read it you didnt understand it, i clearly mention how he gets prep time, he can use reverse summoning jutsu, he can use hiding in a toad technique,

:sy:

 

[Owarij]

no he doesnt

jman beats him in taijutsu because of his sage mode

sage mode increases reflexes,durability,strength,and speed

itachi beats jman in jutsu's? please...

speed? alright i do agree on that tho but sage mode gives the user sensing abilities so jman will be able to sense danger from itachi

itachi would need ms sharigan to beat him? do you know how dum that sounds?

if he used no ms that meens to sussano,no tykuomi,no amatarsu, those 3 main things are his biggest threat dont underrate jirayaia.

Link me to the part where you stated how Jiraya will get into sage mode... i don't see it..

But let me refute a few of your points quickly

Food cart destroyer? - point the totsuka sword upwards, he's sending his frog to die

Going into his frog stomach, too slow, he would have already looked into itachi's eyes and would be in agenjutsu, or would have gotten amaterasu'd already

what else do you have?

f you did read it you didnt understand it, i clearly mention how he gets prep time, he can use reverse summoning jutsu, he can use hiding in a toad technique,

reverse summoning? what? You do realize he would have to first bring a summoning to his location, Tell that summoning " Hey go back to mt bla bla, and summon me"
Then the summoning has to go, pull out the scroll, then do it...

THEN Jiraya CANNOT get back to his last location, unless a frog is present in itachi's location, and that frog will easily be killed..

TOTALLY crap idea.. and itachi would just watch as he summoned a frog and do all of this right? itachi can amaterasu him before he even summons anything...


Hiding in a toad jutsu? not only can he amaterasu him while he's doing that bs, but he can EASILY kill the toad once he goes inside..

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[Turson]

speed? alright i do agree on that tho but sage mode gives the user sensing abilities so jman will be able to sense danger from itachi

I love how you are giving Jiraiya skills he obviously doesnt have.

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Jiraiya is not perfect Sage.

 

[Prince Charles]

its a close battle
but jiraiya would lose because he already lost to Pain..............
if jiraiya had naruto then the battle would be in jiraiya favor

just sign off.:sy:

 

[Prince Charles]

I love how you are giving Jiraiya skills he obviously doesnt have.

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Jiraiya is not perfect Sage.

link me where it saids you have to be a perfect sage to get those abilities?

not to mention he was caught off guard he thought he was in the cool for a bit and asura pein comes out of nowhere, if he was on guard that wouldn't of happend.

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sage mode allows the user to sense chakra also, and durability and strength and speed and everything else i said.

 

[uchihaa118]

itachi is obviously stronger and theres really no nabate here.

 

[silmarill]

Quote prince charles: no he doesnt
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jman beats him in taijutsu because of his sage mode
Itachi would still be able to keep up with him, hes more then fast enough

sage mode increases reflexes,durability,strength,and speed
yea true Kabuto had insane reflexes dodging sussannoo arrows

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still Itachi was able to block him like a true boss (i even think he blocked kabutos right hand with his left knee, Itachi is amazing in taijutsu and relfexes, and we all seen Kabutos SM reflexes >J-man SM

itachi beats jman in jutsu's? please...
what? lol , amaterasu , susanoo with a sword that 1 shot seals you + a shield where Jirayia never could break tru no matter what justsu he uses
not to mention izanami...

speed? alright i do agree on that tho but sage mode gives the user sensing abilities so jman will be able to sense danger from itachi
sense danger , lol thats a good one , ofc he will , its a vs fight with 2 people trying to slaughter eachother

itachi would need ms sharigan to beat him? do you know how dum that
sounds?
No he wouldnt need ms , paralyse genjutsu , , cuts of J-mans hand , what jutsu he gonna use with 1 hand?
if he used no ms that meens to sussano,no tykuomi,no amatarsu, those 3 main things are his biggest threat dont underrate jirayaia.
Sorry quote failed and didnt feel like typing everythign again prince charles

 

[Turson]

link me where it saids you have to be a perfect sage to get those abilities?

Links I gave proves that Jiraiya doesnt have such ability.

not to mention he was caught off guard he thought he was in the cool for a bit and asura pein comes out of nowhere, if he was on guard that wouldn't of happend.

Lol? If he had it, he could sense that Asura is closing up to him. Thats the point of this ability - you dont have to see the threat to sense it. And I doubt if Asura is faster than Susanoo arrow.

 

[Owarij]

And I doubt if Asura is faster than Susanoo arrow.

You don't have to doubt that lol, it's not in any way

 

[Prince Charles]

Link me to the part where you stated how Jiraya will get into sage mode... i don't see it..

But let me refute a few of your points quickly

Food cart destroyer? - point the totsuka sword upwards, he's sending his frog to die

Going into his frog stomach, too slow, he would have already looked into itachi's eyes and would be in agenjutsu, or would have gotten amaterasu'd already

what else do you have?




reverse summoning? what? You do realize he would have to first bring a summoning to his location, Tell that summoning " Hey go back to mt bla bla, and summon me"
Then the summoning has to go, pull out the scroll, then do it...

THEN Jiraya CANNOT get back to his last location, unless a frog is present in itachi's location, and that frog will easily be killed..

TOTALLY crap idea.. and itachi would just watch as he summoned a frog and do all of this right? itachi can amaterasu him before he even summons anything...


Hiding in a toad jutsu? not only can he amaterasu him while he's doing that bs, but he can EASILY kill the toad once he goes inside..

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wow i didnt put in how he gets in sage mode xd i forgot:|

anyways that doesnt matter because i can tell you right now.


point the totsuka sword upwards, he's sending his frog to die

ok and if itachi doesnt notice it? your acting itachi will be completely prepared.

no. he can already be in sage mode by the time him and itachi face off.
going in his frog stomach is too slow? trololololo.. no its not.

your neglecting the fact that maybe ma and pa's frog sound genjutsu can get itachi before itachi gets jman are you not?

no a summoning doesn't have to be their.

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pa does a reverse summoning right here on naruto at the ramen shop

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pa brings him bak at the ramen shop again, tell me where you see another frog summoning at the ramen shop?

easily kill the toad? nope.
ma and pa keep itachi busy while jman is about to use hiding in a frog technique.