[Theory] Best Theory on NarutoBase

naruttebayo

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Oct 27, 2011
Messages
5,525
Reaction score
478
Alright I think the viewers of Naruto have seen how the manga has escalated, from a philosophical setting where the characters are developing themselves and their ideals (Part 1), to Part 2 where the characters ideals are challenged by a darker more sophisticated set of ideals; which is very much like our own very adult world.

We start to learn piece by piece of what this darkness is, The Juubi, The Elder and Younger Sons, and finally the Fourth Great Ninja War. Which Kishimoto seems to develop certain characters for a purpose, i.e. Madara, Kabuto, Tobi, Naruto, and Sasuke.

As we learn the history behind Naruto, the author Masashi Kishimoto seems to keep certain information hidden from his readers, such as The Juubi and The Elder Son. This is what this thread will be looking into.


Sage of 6 Paths: Beginnings
The Rikudou Sennin Paths was the legendary figure who founded the arts of ninjutsu and created the ninja world. He defeated the Ten Tails, which later attacked the world.
You must be registered for see images

However the Sage was able to seal the Ten Tails without himself saving the world. He divided the Ten-Tails' chakra into nine parts and then used Chibaku Tensei to seal the Ten-Tails' body inside a gigantic stone prison in the sky, creating the moon.

As stated by certain persons in the manga, The Juubi possessed an unbelievably amount of immense foul charka, and its foul charka was potent enough to bring despair and destruction to the ninja world. The Juubi also had one unique eye, which has four Rinnegan-like concentric circles, with nine Sharingan-like tomoes in the three circles closest to the pupil colored red. Sometime after its emerging the Ten Tails attacked the world and the Sage defeated it by sealing it within him. Now it could be argued that aside from The Sage’s “Creation Of All Things Jutsu,” that after sealing the Juubi within himself, this is when he truly became a god.
You must be registered for see images

He became the first jinchūriki. The Sage could harness and controlled the Juubi’s power, which would make him able to perform jutsu’s on a higher scale then what he could do before. Years later the Sage would have two sons. The Elder son believed that force and strength was the key to peace, while the younger son believed that love was the key to peace.
You must be registered for see images
The Origins of the two sons
Although Masashi does not explain how the two brothers came into existence, we can be sure that he most likely created them with the Creation Of All Things Jutsu.

If so, then the Juubi may have had a significantly influence on the Elder Son during his creation. This would explain why the Elder Son’s dojutsu had a different pattern than the Sage’s and also would explains the Elder Son’s powerful charka.
You must be registered for see images

Logically speaking would this not make the Elder Son’s dojutsu stronger than the Sage’s before sealing the Juubi within himself. This charka may have directly come from the Juubi, and if so then would this not explain the Uchiha’s Curse of Hatred. The Juubi’s charka was so foul that it could bring despair and destruction to the world. Masashi may have foreshadowed that the Uchiha’s Curse of Hatred is simply that despair and destruction that comes from the influence of the Juubi.
Madara and Sasuke are simply a resurgence of that Juubi’s curse. Kabuto may also hold answers to the Uchiha Curse.
You must be registered for see images
Road of Darkness
Madara’s charka as stated by Kurama “was more sinister than his own”
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images

I believe this is a trait given to the Uchiha by the Elder Son, but only those Uchiha that have inherited a really powerful charka and spiritual energy from possibly the Juubi. The only known Uchiha’s that we know that have an unusual foul strong charka are Madara, and Sasuke. We know that through Orochimaru and Kabuto’s research that the Sharingan naturally evolves into the Rinnegan.
You must be registered for see images

We also know that Orochimaru made enhancements to Danzo’s body, the same way Kabuto made enchantments to Madara’s. The latter is deemed to stronger. However both are incomplete. Kabuto’s experiment on Madara is better than Danzo’s but is still not complete, that is why he wants Sasuke.


Plans for Sasuke
It has been stated that Sasuke has the same ominous charka as Madara, and most likely will surpass Madara with or without Kabuto’s help.
You must be registered for see images

Without Kabuto’s help - As said before by Tobi, Sasuke has the potential of surpassing Nagato, who had the Rinnegan. (It seems likes Kishi has it in his plans for Sasuke to acquire the Rinnegan). Not only did Tobi say that Sasuke has the potential of surpassing Nagato, but he wants to synchronize Sasuke with the Gedo Mazo.
You must be registered for see images

Something that we have been seen to only work with the Rinnegan, not Sharingan. So without Kabuto’s interference Sasuke will still acquire the Rinnegan much like Madara, but under different circumstances.
With Kabuto’s help – Sasuke will without doubt awakened the Rinnegan without Kabuto, but with Kabuto, Sasuke will be able to unlock the highest dojustu there is. The Eye of The Juubi or the Elder Son’s dojutsu.
You must be registered for see images

If this does happened it would confirms the influenced that the Ten-Tails had on the Elder Son during his creation. This would give Sasuke the power up that he needs to fight Naruto head to head.

Ulterior Motives
Tobi may want Sasuke for something far much greater than what he is revealing. He has said the Juubi’s body is physically sealed within the moon, and to obtain the Juubi would he not have to somehow smash the moon open.
You must be registered for see images

Unless he forms a new moon, he ruins his plan, which is to cast a genjutsu of the moon. Does this not imply he will get the Juubi some other way? Sasuke is essential to Tobi plans; it could because of his “hatred” the more he delves into his hatred the colder and more foul his charka seem to get. This hatred I think is the link between the Elder Son and The Juubi’s influence on him, while being created. Tobi may have an ulterior motive then just synchronizing Sasuke with Gedo Mazo, he may be pushing Sasuke to limits to attain power that has not been reached by an Uchiha before; and hopes that he may (Tobi) get ahold of Sasuke’s powers.



Kabuto's Intentions
Kabuto and Orochimaru have extensively research on how the Senju’s cells work as shown in their experiments with Danzo’s and Madara. Both were incomplete. Kabuto, however has seemed to find a way to make the bond with Senju’s cells successful, how you say, through a young living Uchiha.
You must be registered for see images

Sasuke. If Kabuto is able to experiment on Sasuke, he like he said will have the answers to the Sage Of The Six Paths power.
You must be registered for see images

But why Sasuke? As Kabuto already said he needs a young living Uchiha to experiment on, the reason why his experiment on Madara was incomplete was because Madara was already dead; thus the Senju cells could not progress and bond through a dead host. That must mean that Harashima face on Madara’s chest was already produce in the lab, and since Madara was already dead, the Senju cells simply took over an area on Madara.

Kabuto must have known the properties of the Senju cells, and that is why he wants Sasuke to fuse with Senju’s cells. How will this happened? Well as we know Tobi gave Kabuto one Zetsu, and they have Yamato. I am assuming that Kabuto would rather use Yamato then Zetsu as Yamato already has replicated DNA of Harashima.
You must be registered for see images

That being said, if Kabuto experiments on Sasuke who is a young living Uchiha, then Harashima’s DNA would take over, we wouldn’t see a face on his chest or on his shoulders. The Senju’s cells would grow perfectly within his own cells without taking over his body. This is why Kabuto and Orochimaru wanted Sasuke. They needed the power of the Sharingan in order to exceed the known dojutsu powers. We know how ambitious Orochimaru was; he wanted to learn all jutsu.

But even for Orochimaru there were some justu he could not learn due to not having a certain bloodline, which is why he wanted Sasuke. This ambition may have also been passed to Kabuto through intergrating Orochimaru’s remain into himself. Now that it is just Kabuto he may be trying to unlock the greatest dojutsu through Sasuke; The Juubi's eye.



Conclusion
Naruto and Sasuke are meant to be equal, but honestly I don’t see if Sasuke having the Rinnegan is actually equal to Naruto. I mean if they were to fight right now or even after if Sasuke awakens the Rinnegan, Naruto still has the advantage. It seems as of the latest chapters of Naruto are released the more symbolism we see.
You must be registered for see images

I personally think that Naruto has passed the point where Naruto is the younger son, and Sasuke is the Elder soon, but rather Naruto equals the Sage Of The Six Paths; while Sasuke equals the Juubi.


This was a joint thread by myself and D r a y d e n :izuna:

best theory i've seen so far except i don't agree sasuke = juubi or naruto
however
i do believe orochimaru had something far greater in his mind than it looks
(he was the 1st and most bad-ass villain after-all)
 

Totsuka No Tsurugi

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Messages
10,816
Reaction score
726
practically you just restating the obvious,
but well you sure take your time with all that text
 

Ryuu..

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 16, 2012
Messages
16,752
Reaction score
1,110
best theory i've seen so far except i don't agree sasuke = juubi or naruto
however
i do believe orochimaru had something far greater in his mind than it looks
(he was the 1st and most bad-ass villain after-all)

Alright thanks ^^

practically you just restating the obvious,
but well you sure take your time with all that text

Nah, there's a major theory in there.

Thanks for Pointing out the paralels between Naruto and Sasuke and their relation to the Sages sons + Sage.

I have also posted this Juubi=Tes thing on some blogs.

+ rep :)

Everyone learn from this Theory...id rate it 8/10 and after 10 chapters id rate it 10/10..since it's dead on...precice..I bet all my kumi on this one:)

Aha confident xd

many people dont even know the obvious lol :scorps:

lol.
 

Baka Sennin

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Oct 14, 2011
Messages
3,750
Reaction score
348
great thread. A lot of interesting points here.

in particular, I hadn't thought about the contradiction of Tobi breaking out the juubi from the moon, and then putting Eternal Tsukuyomi on the Moon. Unless he plans to use the Gedo Mazo as the container for the juubi's chakra, then seal it into himself.
 

Ryuu..

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 16, 2012
Messages
16,752
Reaction score
1,110
great thread. A lot of interesting points here.

in particular, I hadn't thought about the contradiction of Tobi breaking out the juubi from the moon, and then putting Eternal Tsukuyomi on the Moon. Unless he plans to use the Gedo Mazo as the container for the juubi's chakra, then seal it into himself.

Thanks man, and yeah these are some of the things we need to think about.
 

MadaraHashirama

Banned
Regular
Joined
Mar 21, 2012
Messages
1,283
Reaction score
100
Thank god finally a good thread. Indeed this is the best theory I've seen on Narutobase, I definitly expecting something like this from you Ryuu.

Anyways +rep (if I could :(), everything makes sense, I really somehow believe this is the truth, however perhaps this may be something that could support your theory aswell:

You must be registered for see images


What the frog Sage said, he will fight a young man (Sasuke obviously) with great powers in his eyes.

Just something I thought of quickly when reading your theory

Good job you 2
 
Last edited:

Ryuu..

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 16, 2012
Messages
16,752
Reaction score
1,110
Thank god finally a good thread. Indeed this is the best theory I've seen on Narutobase, I definitly expecting something like this from you Ryuu.

Anyways +rep (if I could :(), everything makes sense, I really somehow believe this is the truth, however perhaps this may be something that could support your theory aswell:

You must be registered for see images


What the frog Sage said, he will fight a young man (Sasuke obviously) with great powers in his eyes.

Just something I thought of quickly when reading your theory

Good job you 2

Thanks ^^
 

Izzy..

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Apr 24, 2012
Messages
1,094
Reaction score
104
Interesting theory and kudos on your collaboration. Hoping to see more. :y
 

Enton

Member
Joined
May 5, 2012
Messages
401
Reaction score
41
One of the best i've seen on this site, great work.
 

Ryuu..

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 16, 2012
Messages
16,752
Reaction score
1,110
that's the problem with this community LOL



not really, if they read the manga properly they will notice something like this,
well its major but its noticeable to those who read the manga properly :noc:

Sasuke becoming = Juubi symbolically isn't in the manga yo.
 

Totsuka No Tsurugi

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Messages
10,816
Reaction score
726
Sasuke becoming = Juubi symbolically isn't in the manga yo.

yeah, but its been hinted with all the convoy between sasuke and naruto after tobi reveal the sage of six path and the 2 siblings,
what i mean with read properly its not just read and done, you have to understand how the story line revolve because what the manga stated isn't always look like what its appear,

its not like i was trying to belittle your thread, but for me its quite obvious even without reading your thread i can already link all the event that occur in the manga ever since i see tobi reveal about the two siblings and the juubi, naruto story line its just that simple for me,

as for me the only mystery remain is who is tobi.......

well i hope you understand what i mean, but i don't think you do
 

Joon

DalbitEcho
Supreme
Joined
Aug 4, 2011
Messages
23,681
Reaction score
1,480
yeah, but its been hinted with all the convoy between sasuke and naruto after tobi reveal the sage of six path and the 2 siblings,
what i mean with read properly its not just read and done, you have to understand how the story line revolve because what the manga stated isn't always look like what its appear,

its not like i was trying to belittle your thread, but for me its quite obvious even without reading your thread i can already link all the event that occur in the manga ever since i see tobi reveal about the two siblings and the juubi, naruto story line its just that simple for me,

as for me the only mystery remain is who is tobi.......

well i hope you understand what i mean, but i don't think you do

I understand. <LOL> As someone pointed out on a previous page, it was errors or flaws within the Theory/Prediction. The other things is quite obvious, but is still nice to be more informed (or detailed enough) for a more understanding. Great work and effort on the Collaboration. +Reps to both.
 

Ryuu..

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 16, 2012
Messages
16,752
Reaction score
1,110
yeah, but its been hinted with all the convoy between sasuke and naruto after tobi reveal the sage of six path and the 2 siblings,
what i mean with read properly its not just read and done, you have to understand how the story line revolve because what the manga stated isn't always look like what its appear,

its not like i was trying to belittle your thread, but for me its quite obvious even without reading your thread i can already link all the event that occur in the manga ever since i see tobi reveal about the two siblings and the juubi, naruto story line its just that simple for me,

as for me the only mystery remain is who is tobi.......

well i hope you understand what i mean, but i don't think you do

Fair enough.
 

The Hidden Shinobi

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 7, 2012
Messages
8,140
Reaction score
678
So a summary of your theory is that naruto will get to the so6p's level and sasuke will get to the jubi's level... xd Awesome
 
Top