Naruto's Eyes are better than Sharingan

[generalshrike]

Dude your logic needs some work.
It is true that videos are a series of images that replace themselves faster than the human eye can distinguish. Then your brain fills the time between images causing you to interpret movement.
Assuming your values are correct, your eye captures an image every 1/24 seconds. This means that your eyes take a snapshot every 1/24 seconds and any movement in between in lost (like the images switching). Your brain fills the gap with what it expects to happen. If someone is moving 100 ft per second your eyes will take a snapshot at one second and then at one plus 1/24 seconds. You see how fast they are by how far they traveled in that time. How fast that person is moving doesn't matter, because you will see then before and after the 1/24 second gap. Only what they do during that 1/24th of a second will be lost to you because it will be between snap shot samples you take. A person that can see more movement see's more frames per second and has a small gap between the snapshots there eye's take.

 

[IntheEndAllWillDIE]

That was Awesome Necromancer, You are very smart sir, A couple of the first comments show how ignorant and stupid some people are :sy:... I get angry when someone is explaining something so accurately and some idiots just come and say fail, No, And so on :flaw:...... this is one of the best threads i have read necromancer nice work.

 

[psayian]

Dude your logic needs some work.
It is true that videos are a series of images that replace themselves faster than the human eye can distinguish. Then your brain fills the time between images causing you to interpret movement.
Assuming your values are correct, your eye captures an image every 1/24 seconds. This means that your eyes take a snapshot every 1/24 seconds and any movement in between in lost (like the images switching). Your brain fills the gap with what it expects to happen. If someone is moving 100 ft per second your eyes will take a snapshot at one second and then at one plus 1/24 seconds. You see how fast they are by how far they traveled in that time. How fast that person is moving doesn't matter, because you will see then before and after the 1/24 second gap. Only what they do during that 1/24th of a second will be lost to you because it will be between snap shot samples you take. A person that can see more movement see's more frames per second and has a small gap between the snapshots there eye's take.

But eyes don't work like that and a snapshot would be blink, eyes take in light and it gets converted through the optic nerve what the picture is. It's far different from video camera, but a video camera is the best to what we get to an eye.

 

[The Necromancer]

Dude your logic needs some work.
It is true that videos are a series of images that replace themselves faster than the human eye can distinguish. Then your brain fills the time between images causing you to interpret movement.
Assuming your values are correct, your eye captures an image every 1/24 seconds. This means that your eyes take a snapshot every 1/24 seconds and any movement in between in lost (like the images switching). Your brain fills the gap with what it expects to happen. If someone is moving 100 ft per second your eyes will take a snapshot at one second and then at one plus 1/24 seconds. You see how fast they are by how far they traveled in that time. How fast that person is moving doesn't matter, because you will see then before and after the 1/24 second gap. Only what they do during that 1/24th of a second will be lost to you because it will be between snap shot samples you take. A person that can see more movement see's more frames per second and has a small gap between the snapshots there eye's take.

And.... the points that "need some work" are......? Because that's exactly what i was saying. Naruto moves 100,000 x faster or whatever number meaning his eyes need to work that much faster in order to be able to process what is happening in front of him, and to process the scenery and landscape that pass him by when he passes through. If his eyes were unable to process those speeds (which are faster than the sharingan has been able to process) then naruto would see only the second before, and the second after his movement, which we know is false as he's changed routs and countered attacks moving at those speeds before.

 

[generalshrike]

A lot of people can run faster then 1.5 feet per second and they don't become invisible do they.

A car driving at 30 miles per hour drives a mile every 2 minutes. That is equivalent to 44 ft/second. So your basic logic tells you that cars driving at 30 miles per hour are invisible?
Basic logic isn't you strong suit.

 

[The Necromancer]

That was Awesome Necromancer, You are very smart sir, A couple of the first comments show how ignorant and stupid some people are :sy:... I get angry when someone is explaining something so accurately and some idiots just come and say fail, No, And so on :flaw:...... this is one of the best threads i have read necromancer nice work.

Thanks! I appreciate it a lot.

 

[generalshrike]

Quote:psayian :But eyes don't work like that and a snapshot would be blink, eyes take in light and it gets converted through the optic nerve what the picture is. It's far different from video camera, but a video camera is the best to what we get to an eye.

Yes, that is true, but your brain only processes images. Using 1/24 of a second as an example (I don't know if this is the real value) you brain only takes snapshots and tries to precess them. The reason things look bury when you are moving fast is because your brain is having a hard time processing the quickly changing details.

 

[The Necromancer]

Quote: But eyes don't work like that and a snapshot would be blink, eyes take in light and it gets converted through the optic nerve what the picture is. It's far different from video camera, but a video camera is the best to what we get to an eye.

Yes, that is true, but your brain only processes images. Using 1/24 of a second as an example (I don't know if this is the real value) you brain only takes snapshots and tries to precess them. The reason things look bury when you are moving fast is because your brain is having a hard time processing the quickly changing details.

Yes, but in the world of naruto it's not the brain that does the work. You don't awaken your sharingan brain. The sharingan's ability is not to speed up the mental processes of your brain. In these examples the eye itself is doing the work. And the reel speed has nothing to do with it. If the eye were to take an image every 1/24th of a second at those speeds(which is the real value btw), the distance between each "picture" would be at so large of an interval that the "eye" or brain is unable to match the pieces together. You can't read the bumper sticker on a car moving at 30 miles an hour. That doesn't mean it turns invisible. It's just impossible for your "eye" or brain to process the image before the next one arrives. Naruto, however, can process everything he sees that he's moving through or by with enough clarity and speed to allow him to react to it.

 

[The Necromancer]

A lot of people can run faster then 1.5 feet per second and they don't become invisible do they.

A car driving at 30 miles per hour drives a mile every 2 minutes. That is equivalent to 44 ft/second. So your basic logic tells you that cars driving at 30 miles per hour are invisible?
Basic logic isn't you strong suit.

Even at only 1.5 feet per second, it becomes impossible to distinguish between, say, different threads in a blanket you walk by, and it's impossible to pick out a freckle on your face in a mirror you pass by both of which are extremely possible when standing perfectly still. This is made possible for humans because we have the ability to turn our head and watch each of these objects at the same speed in which we are moving. Naruto has these same difficulties, but can clearly overcome them, showing that his perceptions as given by his eyes are far above a standard eye's perception. And moving at speeds faster than the sharingan can track just furthers the fact that his eyes must perceive even better than the sharingan.

 

[generalshrike]

And.... the points that "need some work" are......? Because that's exactly what i was saying. Naruto moves 100,000 x faster or whatever number meaning his eyes need to work that much faster in order to be able to process what is happening in front of him, and to process the scenery and landscape that pass him by when he passes through. If his eyes were unable to process those speeds (which are faster than the sharingan has been able to process) then naruto would see only the second before, and the second after his movement, which we know is false as he's changed routs and countered attacks moving at those speeds before.

You can be moving fast and not need eye improvements. When you are driving you have to focus more on the road at higher speeds because you simply have less time to react. You also have less time for you brain to process all the data you are seeing so you notice less of what is happening. Naruto hasn't been proven to have great eyes at all. He can still move quickly without his eyes processing everything by using his other senses to pick up the slack. Or he could be recklessly fast and hope that one of the snapshots his eyes take catch his enemies attack/counter attack. Naruto has proven to be reckless in the past.

 

[The Necromancer]

You can be moving fast and not need eye improvements. When you are driving you have to focus more on the road at higher speeds because you simply have less time to react. You also have less time for you brain to process all the data you are seeing so you notice less of what is happening. Naruto hasn't been proven to have great eyes at all. He can still move quickly without his eyes processing everything by using his other senses to pick up the slack. Or he could be recklessly fast and hope that one of the snapshots his eyes take catch his enemies attack/counter attack. Naruto has proven to be reckless in the past.

Yes, and the faster you go the "less time for your brain to process all the data you are seeing, so you notice less." It increases exponentially. The faster you drive, the less you can see, the better your eyes need to be to keep up. Your problem is that you've never traveled at speeds comparable to a teleportation technique which moves faster than the speed of light. (And within close ranges FTG and naruto's speed are nearly on par, however the farther away the target is the more apparent the difference in speed is between the two.)

 

[tom94]

I think what he is saying is that they can keep up with SPEEDS greater than the sharingan, obviously in terms of Genjutsu / Ninjutsu the sharingan is better. What he is saying makes sense and I +rep him for this! However I do think it is a plot whole rather than fact, purely because if this is the case, then the whole eyes / body story goes out the window and Naruto would be way too OP.

 

[The Necromancer]

I think what he is saying is that they can keep up with SPEEDS greater than the sharingan, obviously in terms of Genjutsu / Ninjutsu the sharingan is better. What he is saying makes sense and I +rep him for this! However I do think it is a plot whole rather than fact, purely because if this is the case, then the whole eyes / body story goes out the window and Naruto would be way too OP.

Well yeah. Haha. I don't believe naruto is going to cast genjutsu or flames out of his eyes. Just the speed perception is better. And i hate when people say naruto could beat anyone in 1 second because he can move faster than they can react to. If so, why didn't he beat nagato and itachi, and tobi instantly? People don't get that. Haha

 

[The Necromancer]

And thank you to everyone, both smart and challenged for making my 4th thread ever while i've only been a member for 2 weeks one of the most popular threads of the week. I appreciate it!

 

[generalshrike]

Yes, and the faster you go the "less time for your brain to process all the data you are seeing, so you notice less." It increases exponentially. The faster you drive, the less you can see, the better your eyes need to be to keep up. Your problem is that you've never traveled at speeds comparable to a teleportation technique which moves faster than the speed of light. (And within close ranges FTG and naruto's speed are nearly on par, however the farther away the target is the more apparent the difference in speed is between the two.)

Please explain how we know that Naruto isn't being reckless and moving at speeds that his eyes can't keep up at. He could only be seeing enough to jump between trees and not seeing everything he passes by. We know he is reckless and tailed beast power didn't help the situation. He could also be relying on his other senses to protect him.

Second, Just because the details of something are indistinguishable at high speed doesn't mean that you can't react to it. I can't tell the color of a baseball when you throw it at me but i can still throw up my arm or get out of the way.

 

[The Necromancer]

Please explain how we know that Naruto isn't being reckless and moving at speeds that his eyes can't keep up at. He could only be seeing enough to jump between trees and not seeing everything he passes by. We know he is reckless and tailed beast power didn't help the situation. He could also be relying on his other senses to protect him.

Second, Just because the details of something are indistinguishable at high speed doesn't mean that you can't react to it. I can't tell the color of a baseball when you throw it at me but i can still throw up my arm or get out of the way.

Because he's not just throwing up his arm and hoping to block whatever's coming at him. He is blocking and redirecting attacks while simultaneously shifting himself and changing his own direction. And as i've explained numerous times, his other senses don't apply. The only sense other than sight that is useful at those speeds is his malice sense, and he has been shown to interact with and move around characters with no malice.

 

[generalshrike]

All of you logic is based on the assumption that Naruto sees everything around him when moving at high speeds and relies on his eyes to protect him. If he is being reckless and or using his other senses to pick up the slack then you have no argument.:shrug:

 

[The Necromancer]

All of you logic is based on the assumption that Naruto sees everything around him when moving at high speeds and relies on his eyes to protect him. If he is being reckless and or using his other senses to pick up the slack then you have no argument.:shrug:

If he can't see then he's running in a straight line and hoping to god that he hits anything at all, because by the time he moves for one second, he's already 5000 yards from where he started. Clearly that's not what's happening. And did you not read what i just pointed out about his senses? I already defended that point well enough.

 

[generalshrike]

Because he's not just throwing up his arm and hoping to block whatever's coming at him. He is blocking and redirecting attacks while simultaneously shifting himself and changing his own direction. And as i've explained numerous times, his other senses don't apply. The only sense other than sight that is useful at those speeds is his malice sense, and he has been shown to interact with and move around characters with no malice.

Can you give an example of "He is blocking and redirecting attacks while simultaneously shifting himself and changing his own direction"

 

[The Necromancer]

Can you give an example of "He is blocking and redirecting attacks while simultaneously shifting himself and changing his own direction"

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-Redirecting while not moving in a linear motion demonstrating that he can perceive where to move while still maintaining enough control and perception to block and push back each TBB

Also the entire fight with the 3rd Raikage demonstrates his ability to adapt while moving at high speeds.