Why jiraiya > itachi full detailed thread on this subject.

[Shisui Namikaze]

+rep nice

 

[Owarij]

1) Amaterasu is instant unless you can escape the persons eye sight fast enough .. Sasuke was escaping itachi's eye, and itachi was trying to keep up with him..

2) Jiraya starts in base and needs like 8 mins to get into sage mode

3) Jiraya is dead in base easily, just like orochimaru, or with amaterasu etc

4) Jiraya's summons can be controlled by genjutsu

5) Did i mention jiraya cannnot dodge amaterasu in base? ok? yeah

 

[Prince Charles]

1) Amaterasu is instant unless you can escape the persons eye sight fast enough .. Sasuke was escaping itachi's eye, and itachi was trying to keep up with him..

2) Jiraya starts in base and needs like 8 mins to get into sage mode

3) Jiraya is dead in base easily, just like orochimaru, or with amaterasu etc

4) Jiraya's summons can be controlled by genjutsu

5) Did i mention jiraya cannnot dodge amaterasu in base? ok? yeah

1. ma and pa deal with itachi while jman gets prep time. your acting like itachi can control ma and opa and jman's other frog reinforcements with ease.
itachi doesnt ahve the best stamina or alot of chakra to do that.

2.same for itachi ma and pa can put him in their genjutsu as soon we they see him since their genjutsu work by hearing, itachi cant block out what his ear's are hearing

erm..he can seal,and block it with his hair manipulation

 

[Prince Charles]

Lol.
Sasuke was able to take control over boss summon with three-tomoe Sharingan. Note, that MS controlling abilities are far greater compared to those of standard Sharingan, as it was able to tame even the most powerful Bijuu.

Jiraiyas summons dont stand a chance.

IMO your acting like itachi has the chakra to control ma and pa and his other frog reinforcements.

 

[Turson]

IMO your acting like itachi has the chakra to control ma and pa and his other frog reinforcements.

Why not? Sasuke controlled boss summon when he had barely any chakra left.

 

[Prince Charles]

Lol.
Sasuke was able to take control over boss summon with three-tomoe Sharingan. Note, that MS controlling abilities are far greater compared to those of standard Sharingan, as it was able to tame even the most powerful Bijuu.

Jiraiyas summons dont stand a chance.

first it was 3 tomoe + cm level 2

secondly yes he dodged it because hes about 200000 times faster than jiraya

for the OP
for jiraya to outrun ameterasu in sage mode (he wont) it would require jiraya to GET into sage mode first which requires like 10 minutes. itachi can start the fight out using ameterasu since on the off chance that he started the fight not using his mangekyo (which he will) it takes like half a second to switch eyes

second itatchis tsukoyomi takes exactly 1 second to take effect for three days worth of torture. You can divide 1 second by 3 to find out how fast it would take for one day. Now provided jirayas even in sage mode it would of course take ma and pa more than a second to even figure out that hes even in tsukyomi ,uch less break him out. For gods sake the eight tales shares bees chakra and it took him more than a second to react and use kai to break out of sasukes much weaker genjustsu

third if itachi got into susanoo even if jirayas in sage mode its game over. seriously he had stopped taken the pills keeping him alive plus he had conservved his ms for 8 years prior to this so if its a fair fight rest assured he wont lose his ms in this one fight

fourth i know we havent seen it yet but i just have to say it. IZANAMI

please show me a link where it shows that cm helped sasuke get out of itachi's tykuyomi.

i already showed and proved in thread he has countless of other ways to stop ameratsu

like 10 minutes? no. more around 7.

ok a cm sasuke can out run ameratsu but a sage mode jiraiya cant?

itachi can already be in ma and pa frog sound genjutsu since it works by hearing.

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thats speculation bee could have been faking when he was laying on the floor and just waiting for the perfect moment to take out sasuke.

no. how do we know itachi was using it during those 8 years? we saw him using at in part 1 against jman in the hall way and against kakashi and a little bit against kisame

for all we know he could have been using 3tomeo sharigan during those 8 years.

 

[Owarij]

IMO your acting like itachi has the chakra to control ma and pa and his other frog reinforcements.

Itachi has low stanima due to his sickness..

but make no mistake..
Active Sharingan and Mangekyou sharingan thoughout fight -
Crow Clone
Genjutsu
Genjutsu
Shadow clone
tsukyomi
Katon
Amaterasu
Amaterasu
Amaterasu
Susanno
Amaterasu transcription seal ...

all while he was dieing
how is that low chakra levels? he can more than take control of the frogs...

and as i stated, he is NOT dodging amaterasu, IMpossible in his base mode...

Lions mane is still part of him, and since it's hair it makes it even worse for him...It will spread rediculously fast... You do know how large of an area amaterasu covers once it's hit right? You saw how fast it spread on be? danzo? Putting it on hair will just help the entire process

try again


Itachi's stanima is no problem what so ever... He will end this fight at the very beggining.. just as he did with oro... whether it be with tsukyomi, or amaterasu , jiraya has counter for neither

 

[Turson]

Itachi has low stanima due to his sickness..

but make no mistake..
Active Sharingan and Mangekyou sharingan thoughout fight -
Crow Clone
Genjutsu
Genjutsu
Shadow clone
tsukyomi
Katon
Amaterasu
Amaterasu
Amaterasu
Susanno
Amaterasu transcription seal ...

all while he was dieing
how is that low chakra levels? he can more than take control of the frogs...

and as i stated, he is NOT dodging amaterasu, IMpossible in his base mode...

Not to mention that like I said Sasuke controlled boss summon when he was extremely short on chakra.

 

[Prince Charles]

You can break out of it with genjutsu SKILL, but Jiraiya is told not to be very good at it. What you are talking about is a different story; having another entity break the one in the genjutsu out of it. Plus Sasuke met Itachi's "requirements" for breaking out of his Tsukuyomi (the Uchiha blood and all)

But I'll wait for you to be back I don't even think Tsukuyomi would be the deciding factor since Jiraiya has knowledge of it, just that I don't think he can break out of it. He'll most likely just avoid contact. I see Jiraiya and Itachi as equals.

itachi is known to lie. IMO for all we know tukuyomi can be breakable by other meens. bee still got out of sasuke's tukoyimi even tho it was a weaker version he still got out of it tsyukomi is tsyukomi either way you look at it.

so ma and pa can get him out of it. he may be waekened after it but sage mode increases ednurance durability

 

[Dantee]

Even Sm Jiraya isn't beating Itachi IMO

 

[Owarij]

itachi is known to lie. IMO for all we know tukuyomi can be breakable by other meens. bee still got out of sasuke's tukoyimi even tho it was a weaker version he still got out of it tsyukomi is tsyukomi either way you look at it.

so ma and pa can get him out of it. he may be waekened after it but sage mode increases ednurance durability

Itachi's tsukyomi is not beatable in any other means.. databook says that specifically... It's not itachi's opinion..

Kishi's
Kakashi's
Itachi's
and naruto's "Bee , if you get caught in that, you're finished"


Ma and pa CANNOT get jiraya out itachi's tsukyomi... You do know how it works right?

Also ma and pa won't even be out when itachi tsukyomi's him.. as i said, this fight will end just as it did with oro.. Jiraya dieing in base, seconds or 1 minute into the fight

 

[Prince Charles]

Not to mention that like I said Sasuke controlled boss summon when he was extremely short on chakra.

Itachi has low stanima due to his sickness..

but make no mistake..
Active Sharingan and Mangekyou sharingan thoughout fight -
Crow Clone
Genjutsu
Genjutsu
Shadow clone
tsukyomi
Katon
Amaterasu
Amaterasu
Amaterasu
Susanno
Amaterasu transcription seal ...

all while he was dieing
how is that low chakra levels? he can more than take control of the frogs...

and as i stated, he is NOT dodging amaterasu, IMpossible in his base mode...

Lions mane is still part of him, and since it's hair it makes it even worse for him...It will spread rediculously fast... You do know how large of an area amaterasu covers once it's hit right? You saw how fast it spread on be? danzo? Putting it on hair will just help the entire process

try again


Itachi's stanima is no problem what so ever... He will end this fight at the very beggining.. just as he did with oro... whether it be with tsukyomi, or amaterasu , jiraya has counter for neither

@ turson link to where it saids sasuke was low on chakra

@ owarij

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he can shead the hair if eh notices its coming close to him.

and once again controlling summons take alot of chakra itachi cannot control ma,pa,gamabunta,and other frogs for no less then maybe 5 mins?

jman gets prep time for sealing amaertsu in his frog,

how does itachi counter getting turned into a frog?no wait..

how does he counter jman's shadow manipulation?

 

[Prince Charles]

Itachi's tsukyomi is not beatable in any other means.. databook says that specifically... It's not itachi's opinion..

Kishi's
Kakashi's
Itachi's
and naruto's "Bee , if you get caught in that, you're finished"


Ma and pa CANNOT get jiraya out itachi's tsukyomi... You do know how it works right?

Also ma and pa won't even be out when itachi tsukyomi's him.. as i said, this fight will end just as it did with oro.. Jiraya dieing in base, seconds or 1 minute into the fight

how does itachi counter ma and pa's frog song? itachi cannt use his body nor mind. and its speculation if he can break out of frog genjutsu.

 

[Owarij]

@ turson link to where it saids sasuke was low on chakra

@ owarij

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he can shead the hair if eh notices its coming close to him.

and once again controlling summons take alot of chakra itachi cannot control ma,pa,gamabunta,and other frogs for no less then maybe 5 mins?

jman gets prep time for sealing amaertsu in his frog,

how does itachi counter getting turned into a frog?no wait..


how does he counter jman's shadow manipulation?

why are you linking PART 1 itachi? when he was clearly bullshiting kisame, to not have to kill jiraya?

In part 2 he clearly displayed MUCH MORE, than what he did there.. up to 3 amaterasu's etc..

yea.. like if Jiraya will even get to touch him with susanno up.. not to mention he's much faster in base than him...

As i said , you keep avoiding my point, that jiraya will die from tsukyomi and amaterasu at the beggining.. Hair will not work, 1) amaterasu is much faster than it.... it's faster than susanno arrow, and kakashi/danzo couldn't even make handseals or move an inch for that..

Tobi couldn't even activate his s/t ...(and tobi activated his s/t to dodge raikage's v2 attack)

you think jiraya can mould chakra and activate his hair jutsu?


urm, once again, DO you know how amaterasu works? it appears on you instantly if you are in the persons line of sight or vision.. If you escape their vision they can attempt to catch up to you and amaterasu follows..

tobi,bee, danzo, nagato, nagato's summons etc.. amaterasu all appeared on them INSTANTLY... Raikage shunshin'd out of sasuke's view, and sasuke ran to the side of itachi and escaped him, so itachi had to follow suit



This fight is over the moment the battle begins and jiraya looks into his eyes.. this IS indisputable....

 

[Owarij]

how does itachi counter ma and pa's frog song? itachi cannt use his body nor mind. and its speculation if he can break out of frog genjutsu.

YOU KEEP mentioning sage mode, like jiraya is going to get 8minutes time to ENTER sage mode in the first place...

not only that, but that he would also get time to tune the frogs voices and use the frog song..

what part of this fight is over from tsukyomi or the same genjutsu he used on oro in the beginning can't you get ?

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Give it up
Itachi doesnt even need to use his MS techs
Burning paper body illusion
Then he kills Jiraiya low difficulty

Btw Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya
What makes you think Jiraiya can do any better

Sage mode Jiraiya will lose too regardless

 

[Prince Charles]

why are you linking PART 1 itachi? when he was clearly bullshiting kisame, to not have to kill jiraya?

In part 2 he clearly displayed MUCH MORE, than what he did there.. up to 3 amaterasu's etc..

yea.. like if Jiraya will even get to touch him with susanno up.. not to mention he's much faster in base than him...

As i said , you keep avoiding my point, that jiraya will die from tsukyomi and amaterasu at the beggining.. Hair will not work, 1) amaterasu is much faster than it.... it's faster than susanno arrow, and kakashi/danzo couldn't even make handseals or move an inch for that..

Tobi couldn't even activate his s/t ...(and tobi activated his s/t to dodge raikage's v2 attack)

you think jiraya can mould chakra and activate his hair jutsu?


urm, once again, DO you know how amaterasu works? it appears on you instantly if you are in the persons line of sight or vision.. If you escape their vision they can attempt to catch up to you and amaterasu follows..

tobi,bee, danzo, nagato, nagato's summons etc.. amaterasu all appeared on them INSTANTLY... Raikage shunshin'd out of sasuke's view, and sasuke ran to the side of itachi and escaped him, so itachi had to follow suit



This fight is over the moment the battle begins and jiraya looks into his eyes.. this IS indisputable....

''why are you linking PART 1 itachi? when he was clearly bullshiting kisame, to not have to kill jiraya?''

ok kishi

i already told you how he gets prep time for sage mode he hiding in a frog technique to hide.

this is speculation but MOST LIKELY jman has studied ms techniques from the little quarrel in part 1 with itachi.

im not talking about itachi instantly putting it on jman im talking about if he tries to manipulate it like when he was chasing sasuke. jman simply wraps him self with his hair andn he can expand and shed off the burned parts with amatarsu

yes i know how amatarsu works

i agree on itachi amatarsing jman's summonings. and you still havent said how he counters jman shadow mANIPULTION AND GETTING TURNED INTO A FROG.

 

[Prince Charles]

Give it up
Itachi doesnt even need to use his MS techs
Burning paper body illusion
Then he kills Jiraiya low difficulty

Btw Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya
What makes you think Jiraiya can do any better

Sage mode Jiraiya will lose too regardless

YOU KEEP mentioning sage mode, like jiraya is going to get 8minutes time to ENTER sage mode in the first place...

not only that, but that he would also get time to tune the frogs voices and use the frog song..

what part of this fight is over from tsukyomi or the same genjutsu he used on oro in the beginning can't you get ?

imO i know itachi takes this but im just to defend and counters for jman's sake i aint giving up im going all out

 

[Owarij]

''why are you linking PART 1 itachi? when he was clearly bullshiting kisame, to not have to kill jiraya?''

ok kishi

i already told you how he gets prep time for sage mode he hiding in a frog technique to hide.

this is speculation but MOST LIKELY jman has studied ms techniques from the little quarrel in part 1 with itachi.

im not talking about itachi instantly putting it on jman im talking about if he tries to manipulate it like when he was chasing sasuke. jman simply wraps him self with his hair andn he can expand and shed off the burned parts with amatarsu

yes i know how amatarsu works

i agree on itachi amatarsing jman's summonings. and you still havent said how he counters jman shadow mANIPULTION AND GETTING TURNED INTO A FROG.

jMAN won't even touch him, he's faster.. can predict movements, has unreadable handseals which makes it look like he isn't even moving his hands (even to kakashi who had sharingan)

to top it all off his bunshins explode...
So if jiraya tries entering in taijutsu range, he's going to end up like kurenai,

and he doesn't need to counter his shadow manipulation... as i said, the moment this fight starts, Jiraya would be looking at his eyes, Jiraya would get caught in the VERY same paralysis genjutsu Orochimaru got caught in

He would try moving his hand to break it just as oro, He gets his head cut off..

itachi spared oro and took off his arm then told him he's a bitch (paraphrasing )

but in a serious fight oro would be dead..

 

[Prince Charles]

jMAN won't even touch him, he's faster.. can predict movements, has unreadable handseals which makes it look like he isn't even moving his hands (even to kakashi who had sharingan)

to top it all off his bunshins explode...
So if jiraya tries entering in taijutsu range, he's going to end up like kurenai,

and he doesn't need to counter his shadow manipulation... as i said, the moment this fight starts, Jiraya would be looking at his eyes, Jiraya would get caught in the VERY same paralysis genjutsu Orochimaru got caught in

He would try moving his hand to break it just as oro, He gets his head cut off..

itachi spared oro and took off his arm then told him he's a bitch (paraphrasing )

but in a serious fight oro would be dead..

ok ok ok i accept defeat FOR NOW damn you... but +REP!!!