Itachi vs Bee

[NLee]

Killer Bee is one of the most powerfull ninja. He can kill Itachi in one hit. He is faster and stronger than Itachi. Yea, Itachi can terminate this battle with Tsukuyomi but this technique need more concentrate. Bee's lariat with Hachibi form is too much for Itachi. But Itachi is genius, he can find weak point of every techniques in a few seconds.

I think that this battle end draw or Itachi's win with extreme difficulty.

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[Bogard]

Exactly. He trained to master them. But the mastery of using 7 swords is not determined by his speed. It's determined by his skill as a swordsman.

The fact that it's Bee's style changes nothing in this scenario. The argument is that Itachi retreated because fighting a master swordsman who can use 7 swords is futile with only a kunai. No one jumps into a fight knowing they're at a disadvantage. It's like Tenten agreeing to a taijutsu battle with Lee, or Neji agreeing to a long distance battle with Sai. It's not a matter of speed or strength or anything other stat. It's a matter of common sense to not partake in a challenge that you know you aren't suited for.

You initially said Itachi fell back because he can't match Bee's speed. My point is that's not why he fell back. Even if Itachi was as fast as Bee, he's not going to engage someone in their area of expertise. Itachi is not a swordsman. Bee defeating people with his 7 sword-style does not mean he's faster. It's means he's a better swordsman.

You keep referring to Bee's 7 sword-style as taijutsu as if Itachi could fight against it with hand-to-hand combat. That's not the case. The minute Bee busts out his swords he is shifting to kenjutsu. Itachi is not a kenjutsu specialist like Bee. Sasuke actually was a swordsman and look where that got him. Again, it's not about sheer speed. In this scenario it's about swordsmanship vs swordsmanship.

Ok you're right. Maybe Bee in base mode is not faster than Itachi, but they are about the same speed for me. You can't say Itachi is faster, totally incorrect for me. And don't forget they have sharingan to predict movements. That also help a lot either for Itachi or Sasuke or other sharingan users but that's nothing about speed. Anyway all what i wanted to say is that Itachi can't win be in close combat even in base mode.
Just look this pic:

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Just to manipulate 7swords like that(using even his feets and all with fast movements) is insane. Only Bee can do that. He is even better than Zoro from One piece. xd

 

[NarutoKage2]

That was Itachi blitzing Bee. Why didn't Bee react sooner to it? Obviously he didn't notice he was behind him. There is enough evidence Itachi base speed > Bee base speed. Itachi can hold his own against Bee in base.

Your panel was also false. Itachi was backing up to see what would happen if he used mangeykou on Naruto.

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Biggest misconception. Genjutsu does work on perfect jins its just that they are able to break out of it sooner.

See here:

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Genjutsu clearly worked on him until Hacibi broke him out. Itachis Tsuykomi controls time. Besides that it doesn't matter Itachi is the person who can take advantage of even genjutsus that will work for a short time like Sasuke.

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Susanoo Yata Mirror is indeed > Tailed BEast Bomb. He is also a bigger target for Amaterasu and Toksa Sealing Sword in bijuu mode

That just screams fanboy. How can the Totsuka blade seal something invented by the Sage of the 6 paths himself(hachibi)? You're being biased and illogical. Plus like you said, Bee broke out of the genjutsu. Does'nt matter what Tsukuyomi does, genjutsu is genjutsu and as has been shown is'nt working on Bee.

You're not understanding this at all. Once Bee transforms, unless Itachi is already dead, it is over for Bee. Totsuka blade or Amaterasu to end it.

He doesn't need to use Amaterasu before he transforms, I don't know why you are trying to force him to use all of his MS abilities against base Bee.

Logic dude, use it. Itachi is incredibly intelligent and doesn't spam jutsus like Sasuke.

Neither Totsuka nor Ametarasu can end it like that. Dude, think about what your saying. By your logic, Itachi can beat the 10 tails(which even the Rikudo Sennin could'nt and he had to break it up and seal it) by using Ametarasu or Totsuka to seal it. He can't just burn anything, and Totsuka can't just seal anything. So Itachi>>Sage of 6 paths, is that what you're saying?

 

[Bogard]

That just screams fanboy. How can the Totsuka blade seal something invented by the Sage of the 6 paths himself(hachibi)? You're being biased and illogical. Plus like you said, Bee broke out of the genjutsu. Does'nt matter what Tsukuyomi does, genjutsu is genjutsu and as has been shown is'nt working on Bee.


Neither Totsuka nor Ametarasu can end it like that. Dude, think about what your saying. By your logic, Itachi can beat the 10 tails(which even the Rikudo Sennin could'nt and he had to break it up and seal it) by using Ametarasu or Totsuka to seal it. He can't just burn anything, and Totsuka can't just seal anything. So Itachi>>Sage of 6 paths, is that what you're saying?

I agree with this. I also think that totsuka can't seal a Bijuu, at least not a complete Bijuu. I've even made a thread about why i think that:

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[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

If Bee transforms fully then he is a massive target for either Amaterasu or the Totsuka blade, and he is not fast enough in his fully transformed state (at least on the ground, I'm sure he is plenty fast in the water) to dodge Itachi's attacks.

In his base form Bee is not as fast as Itachi.

Tsukuyomi still works on a perfect jinchurikki. Regular genjutsu won't keep him in it for long, but it could be used to create an opening. (as seen when he was in a genjutsu and while Bee was in it Itachi used those fire shuriken nails or whatever.

can't say anything better than this one,
oh and i see some ridiculous statement in this thread, well its better to ignore such post

 

[NarutoKage2]

I agree with this. I also think that totsuka can't seal a Bijuu, at least not a complete Bijuu. I've even made a thread about why i think that:

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Yeah man if you remember Minato said its physically and conceptually impossible to completely seal away the 9 tails because it was just too much chakra so obviously the same applies to the Hachibi cuz its also a former part of the Juubi just like the 9 tails.

I'll check the thread out too, and i agree.

 

[Blaze Release]

Damn, this has been done to death.

Anyway from the short 'duel' we saw between itachi and bee, it was rather clear that itachi got the better off him. Bee's kenjutsu was evaded. Bee's taijustu and weapon usage with samahada was again evaded. Bee's weapon samahada didnt fair to well to itachi's fire techniques.

Itachi on the underhand was able to land crimson balson nails on bee. Get him in a genjutsu and note that itachi told bee not to look into his eyes, that alone couldve spelled tsukuyomi and no i do not believe bee can break itachi's who's danzo has confirmed is a lot better than sasuke's. Sasuke's was so weak that even danzo who isnt a jinhcurcki was able to break it . He was then able to get behind bee and alert him

What im saying is that from the brief duel, whilst bee hasnt landed a hit on itachi, itachi has landed genjutsu and a fire technique at bee.

Now bee without info would be a fool to use tbb because he has to go full bijuu mode. Obviously amaterasu has already caught him, but you see the totsuka sword will seal the 8 tails. You have to realise that the power gap between the 8 tails and the 9 tails is great therefore although we do have no proof that a legendary weapon will seal the 9 tails, we have proof that a legendary weapon sealed the 8 tails and that was the kohaku no johei. Ive no reason to believe that another sealing legendary weapon wouldnt accomplish the same feat

 

[BloodSeed]

bee if they will start at range of 2miles

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

That just screams fanboy. How can the Totsuka blade seal something invented by the Sage of the 6 paths himself(hachibi)? You're being biased and illogical. Plus like you said, Bee broke out of the genjutsu. Does'nt matter what Tsukuyomi does, genjutsu is genjutsu and as has been shown is'nt working on Bee.


Neither Totsuka nor Ametarasu can end it like that. Dude, think about what your saying. By your logic, Itachi can beat the 10 tails(which even the Rikudo Sennin could'nt and he had to break it up and seal it) by using Ametarasu or Totsuka to seal it. He can't just burn anything, and Totsuka can't just seal anything. So Itachi>>Sage of 6 paths, is that what you're saying?

You're logic is what is failing you, not mine. You made that random, retarded comparison.

By your failed logic, Hashirama, A, the third Raikage, etc. are all better than the SO6P because they all beat tailed beasts. A cut off a horn with his raiton attacks.

Amaterasu has already been shown to be able to burn Bee. Do you want me to find you the manga page? I don't want to have to humiliate you, because right now you are doing a pretty good job of that yourself.

Why can't the Totsuka blade seal the Hachibi? It gets sealed by the Amber sealing pot all the time. By your logic it shouldn't.

So please accept that your argument in that last post was utter nonsense and that absolutely none of it made any sense.

 

[narutownsyouall]

Bee can win this. All he has to do is stay in V2 the whole time and his speed keeps him from getting caught inside genjutsu and it keeps amatarasu from hitting him. He can just speed blitz or TBB him And If Itachi has susanoo he can just use Chakra arms to go from under him. Plus Bee has so much more chakra while Itachi can not last long considering that he will need Susanoo to block Bee's attacks and He only has a few Amatarasu's after that. Bee outlasts him and He Has so much more raw power it overwhelms Itachi.

 

[NarutoKage2]

You're logic is what is failing you, not mine. You made that random, retarded comparison.

By your failed logic, Hashirama, A, the third Raikage, etc. are all better than the SO6P because they all beat tailed beasts. A cut off a horn with his raiton attacks.

Amaterasu has already been shown to be able to burn Bee. Do you want me to find you the manga page? I don't want to have to humiliate you, because right now you are doing a pretty good job of that yourself.

Why can't the Totsuka blade seal the Hachibi? It gets sealed by the Amber sealing pot all the time. By your logic it shouldn't.

So please accept that your argument in that last post was utter nonsense and that absolutely none of it made any sense.

Because the totsuka blade whenever it has sealed something, it has been permanently sealed away. Why do you think Oro has'nt made a come back? What i was trying to say was that its IMPOSSIBLE TO PERMANENTLY SEAL AWAY A BIJUU.
And so far the totsuka blade has been shown to permanently seal off things. Unless Nagato or Orochimaru make a comeback, that is. With the Amber sealing pot, the Hachibi EVENTUALLY came out of it, did'nt it? Proof: he's sealed in Bee, you dumbass.

You fail at comprehension.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Because the totsuka blade whenever it has sealed something, it has been permanently sealed away. Why do you think Oro has'nt made a come back? What i was trying to say was that its IMPOSSIBLE TO PERMANENTLY SEAL AWAY A BIJUU.
And so far the totsuka blade has been shown to permanently seal off things. Unless Nagato or Orochimaru make a comeback, that is. With the Amber sealing pot, the Hachibi EVENTUALLY came out of it, did'nt it? Proof: he's sealed in Bee, you dumbass.

You fail at comprehension.

Whenever the bijuu are destroyed they will be reborn.

Plus you are just assuming that there is no way to take something out of the Totsuka blade. Why would anyone want to bring Oro back?

Also why are you telling me the Hachibi is sealed in Bee? I love people like you who try and cover their tracks when they make idiotic posts.

A legendary weapon sealed a bijuu, the databooks and manga say that the Totsuka blade can seal anything, any other argument on your part is just you not accepting it because you are a acting like a POS.

 

[Dantee]

That just screams fanboy. How can the Totsuka blade seal something invented by the Sage of the 6 paths himself(hachibi)? You're being biased and illogical. Plus like you said, Bee broke out of the genjutsu. Does'nt matter what Tsukuyomi does, genjutsu is genjutsu and as has been shown is'nt working on Bee.


Neither Totsuka nor Ametarasu can end it like that. Dude, think about what your saying. By your logic, Itachi can beat the 10 tails(which even the Rikudo Sennin could'nt and he had to break it up and seal it) by using Ametarasu or Totsuka to seal it. He can't just burn anything, and Totsuka can't just seal anything. So Itachi>>Sage of 6 paths, is that what you're saying?

Lmao I'm the one making fanboy statements? :sy: Toska Blade seals everything unless stated otherwise? Wow I used a logical argument and I get called a fanboy because my ava is Sasuke.

People like you make this base horrible. Itachi's Tsukuyomi controls time and Hachibi won't be able to break Bee out in time for him not to feel the effects. They are not completely immune hence why Sasuke's worked on him and Itachis genjutsu also worked. Regardless of this I threw this argument out because I knew you wouldn't accept.

 

[Bogard]

Don't forget Bee can do this to go through Susanoo even in V2:

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Even in V2 he has the power to beat Itachi even protected by his Susanoo.

 

[enditallsin]

bee wins this very easy(maybe with mid difficulty) if anyone wants to debate about ill tell exactly how he wins from beginning, middle, to end, because itachi only win this due to popularity, not because of facts, i can proved this whenever.

 

[Dantee]

Don't forget Bee can do this to go through Susanoo even in V2:

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Even in V2 he has the power to beat Itachi even protected by his Susanoo.

Itachi uses Susanoo as a last ditch effort, so the only way Itachi would go Susanoo if Bee goes Hachibi mode. Hachibi mode is easily killed with Amaterasu or Toska Blade. Honestly I don't see Bee getting past Tsyukomi.

Yeah I know the argument Jinchu's are immune to genjutsu but obviously this is proven false. Itachi's power can control time and before the Hachibi can break Bee out he would have already suffered the effects. Giving Itachi enough time to give a finishing blow if Bee isn't already knocked out.

I guess this is the all time argument. However it's already been proven false Jinchuriki's are completely immune to genjutsu. It's up to you to believe it or not.

 

[Bogard]

Itachi uses Susanoo as a last ditch effort, so the only way Itachi would go Susanoo if Bee goes Hachibi mode.

In V2 he is stronger than Itachi. He can't do either way than using Susanoo to protect him, unless he wants to die.

 

[Dantee]

In V2 he is stronger than Itachi. He can't do either way than using Susanoo to protect him, unless he wants to die.

Sasuke was able to dodge Bees attacks in V2. Itachi can do the same. You don't factor in Itachi's genjutsus as well.

 

[Bogard]

Sasuke was able to dodge Bees attacks in V2. Itachi can do the same. You don't factor in Itachi's genjutsus as well.

Sasuke only dodged one attack but himself knew that he wouldn't have last long if the things had continue like that. Itachi can surely dodge some attacks, but he couldn't last long and he will surely have to protect himself sometimes. He doesn't have the physical power to compete with Bee in this form.
For the genjutsu you said it yourself, it doesn't work against Jinchuriki and i believe it. Hachibi is there to awake him when it's the case.

 

[Raito]

Itachi already showed us his superiority to Bee when he tricked him out with his speed and was going to kill him with his fireshurikens.

Itachi wins with low difficult, no worth to hold a debate.