Sasuke VS Konoha 11 including Sai without Naruto

[naruttebayo]

sasuke is outnumbered
don't underestimate konoha 11
k11 wins

 

[Bogard]

I never said Lee couldn't enter the gates, I said he wouldn't be able to enter them and hit Sasuke before he summons his susanoo. Sasuke doesn't have to sit there. He can simply summon his hawk and keep his distance thus making Shikamaru's shadow possession jutsu useless.

If he does that Choji is there to catch him. Don't forget he is huge and he can also fly as well.

When has Ginkaku ever shown tremendous will power? Just because he was in a kyuubi chakra form doesn't mean he has tremendous will power. Sasuke on the other hand has demonstrated his great will power several times during the manga.

Even if what you say is true, the time to counter Inos jutsu, Ino could kill him. I mean, she can enter Sasukes body and directly kill herself. What could Sasuke do in this case?

Choji was never competing with Gedo Mazo. He punched it and it hardly did anything.

Yes but don't forget Gedo Mazo is much more greater and much more powerful than Susanoo. That's the difference.

As for the genjutsu Sasuke uses genjutsu that paralyzes you, which means other people being there doesn't mean much since as soon as they're hit with the genjutsu they can't move just like Shi and Bee.

I'm not saying he can't do that. I'm saying the time he use a genjutsu against one, the 10others are there as well to attack him. During that, one of them release the genjutsu to the one who get caught.

Anyway I really don't care anymore because I'm done trying to convince you. You lack common sense and logic anyway. You thought Kakashi could beat Sasuke and Kimimaro could beat Gaara. I can only lmao at that.

Easy to flee away when you lack of arguments. Actually all those who think Gaara is stronger than Kimimaro never told me why. I only wanted to know why. It's not even if i like Kimimaro. I prefer even Gaara to him(even if i prefered when he was evil). I was not saying Kimimaro will automatically win, but i wanted to know reasons why Gaara should win. As for Kakashi like i've said you can believe what you want, but i only say what think.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

As someone said before konoha eleven are nothing but fodders
but if these fodders work together i can see that the battle can be a draw and almost all of the guys passing out with sasuke lol

 

[-Vegeta-]

If he does that Choji is there to catch him. Don't forget he is huge and he can also fly as well.

Even if what you say is true, the time to counter Inos jutsu, Ino could kill him. I mean, she can enter Sasukes body and directly kill herself. What could Sasuke do in this case?


Yes but don't forget Gedo Mazo is much more greater and much more powerful than Susanoo. That's the difference.


I'm not saying he can't do that. I'm saying the time he use a genjutsu against one, the 10others are there as well to attack him. During that, one of them release the genjutsu to the one who get caught.


Easy to flee away when you lack of arguments. Actually all those who think Gaara is stronger than Kimimaro never told me why. I only wanted to know why. I was not saying Kimimaro will automatically win, but i wanted to know reasons why Gaara should win. As for Kakashi like i've said you can believe what you want, but i only say what think.

I'm not fleeing from anything. I've just realized arguing with you is simply a waste of my time. Anyway this is my last post on this subject.

When has Choji ever shown the ability to fly in his butterfly mode? Still Sasuke could simply use amaterasu to one shot Choji as well. NONE of the konoha 11 have the speed to avoid amaterasu.

Sasuke has to be still for Ino's jutsu to even work hence why it's always performed with Shikamaru's shadow possession jutsu. Sasuke's not being caught by the shadow possession jutsu if he's in the air on his hawk.

Doesn't matter. A full susanoo has NEVER been penetrated. Heck Naruto's huge odoma rasengan, which was said in the databooks it could hollow a mountain didn't even scratch Madara's ribcage susanoo.

It rarely takes Sasuke anytime to use a genjutsu and he could easily use it at a distance while in susanoo.

Sasuke could easily just keep his distance and spam amaterasu and susanoo arrows at them, which none of them can avoid. All he has to do is have them in his sight.

To be honest I could care less what you think. You're the one who started this debate with me anyway.

 

[Komaguy]

I think u guys underestimate the EMS, back in the day Madara could beat everyone except the first hokage. The konoha 11 is definately a formidable team but their combined strenght is yet far from Hashirama's.

 

[~MC117~]

I think sasuke would win high difficulty

 

[Bogard]

I'm not fleeing from anything. I've just realized arguing with you is simply a waste of my time. Anyway this is my last post on this subject.

If you say so, but what you must know is that if someone doesn't think the same way as you, that doesn't mean he lacks of comon sense. We're not forced to believe in the same thing. So if you think Sasuke is far more stronger it's only your thought. For me Kakashi is still stronger and i have my reasons why i think that.

When has Choji ever shown the ability to fly in his butterfly mode? Still Sasuke could simply use amaterasu to one shot Choji as well. NONE of the konoha 11 have the speed to avoid amaterasu.

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Sasuke has to be still for Ino's jutsu to even work hence why it's always performed with Shikamaru's shadow possession jutsu. Sasuke's not being caught by the shadow possession jutsu if he's in the air on his hawk.

That's why in every post i have made, i have said Shikamaru will have to capture Sasuke first. I never said Ino could do something like that alone. Sasuke is too fast to be caught so easily. If Sasuke wants to go in the sky, see above.

Doesn't matter. A full susanoo has NEVER been penetrated. Heck Naruto's huge odoma rasengan, which was said in the databooks it could hollow a mountain didn't even scratch Madara's ribcage susanoo.

Yes but databook also says that Kamui can't be avoided and that it's the best technic ever, but you don't believe it, do you? Databook said Susanoo can't be penetrated? And you forget the user can be caught from underground like Gaara has shown us in this mangas? It's not the first time that databook say something and after the mangas show us the jutsu has a weakness. So don't believe Susanoo can't be penetrated. Like Itachi said, "every jutsu has a weakness". There is a reason why Itachis Susanoo has a yata mirror. That means complete Susanoo can be penetrated. After all we've seen that Tsunade was able to break Madaras Susanoo only with one punch.

It rarely takes Sasuke anytime to use a genjutsu and he could easily use it at a distance while in susanoo.

Yes but you also forget that Sasuke himself rarely use genjutsus. He is not Itachi.

Sasuke could easily just keep his distance and spam amaterasu and susanoo arrows at them, which none of them can avoid. All he has to do is have them in his sight.

Lee could avoid it with gates open. And i believe Neji could use his ultimate defense to protect himself. The others only stay at a good distance to wait for opportunities.

 

[-Vegeta-]

If you say so, but what you must know is that if someone doesn't think the same way as you, that doesn't mean he lacks of comon sense. We're not forced to believe in the same thing. So if you think Sasuke is far more stronger it's only your thought. For me Kakashi is still stronger and i have my reasons why i think that.

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That's why in every post i have made, i have said Shikamaru will have to capture Sasuke first. I never said Ino could do something like that alone. Sasuke is too fast to be caught so easily. If Sasuke wants to go in the sky, see above.


Yes but databook also says that Kamui can't be avoided and that it's the best technic ever, but you don't believe it, do you? Databook said Susanoo can't be penetrated? And you forget the user can be caught from underground like Gaara has shown us in this mangas? It's not the first time that databook say something and after the mangas show us the jutsu has a weakness. So don't believe Susanoo can't be penetrated. Like Itachi said, "every jutsu has a weakness". There is a reason why Itachis Susanoo has a yata mirror. That means complete Susanoo can be penetrated. After all we've seen that Tsunade was able to break Madaras Susanoo only with one punch.


Yes but you also forget that Sasuke himself rarely use genjutsus. He is not Itachi.


Lee could avoid it with gates open. And i believe Neji could use his ultimate defense to protect himself. The others only stay at a good distance to wait for opportunities.

Sasuke can one shot Choji with amaterasu if he tries to come after him in the sky, so I don't know why you continue to use that.

I never said susanoo couldn't be penetrated, but it hasn't yet and Choji definitely hasn't shown the strength to do so even in butterfly mode. Itachi's susanoo having yata mirror has nothing to do with a full susanoo being penetrable. He has them because he found them, nothing more.

Sasuke rarely using genjutsu isn't a valid counter. This is a verse thread where the characters can use anything.

Lee's only avoiding the arrows if he uses the gates and I highly doubt he can avoid amaterasu even with the gates. A barely avoided it and he's much faster than Lee in his gates. Not to mention Lee can only use 5 gates.

Neji may be able to block the arrows, but definitely not amaterasu since it coverges on the target meaning there's nothing coming at Neji for him to block. It would simply appear on Neji burning him to a crisp. The others are sitting ducks that Sasuke could easily one shot with amaterasu and susanoo arrows.

Anyway I'm done because I've got work. Besides I don't really care anymore anyway.

 

[Bogard]

I think it's really laughable when i see someone even thinking Sasuke has a chance against konoha11. After that i'm really wondering about the one who really lacks of common sense here.

 

[soulless uchiha]

amaterasu arrows kills them all

 

[soulless uchiha]

So you really think Lee won't have time to use gates? Even if i suppose you're right(what i don't approuv at all), Lee is not alone here. He is fighting in group, and you're seriously thinking that with all this group as a back up, Lee couldn't use gates? You say Sasuke will sit inside his Susanoo and ignite it with Amaterasu? Haha that's why he will lose. If he does that, he won't himself be able to go somewhere and it will be much more easier for Shikamaru to capture him with his Kage mane and after that it's over like i've said before.


Sasuke summon his hawk? Are you forgetting Sai is there too? And for Ino, don't compare her jutsu with what she does in part1. In part2 she was even able to enter into Ginkaku(who possess Kyubis chakra). You think he isn't strong? Even if Sasuke somehow manage to resist, she can enter his body directly and kill herself in the worse case of this scenario and Sasuke die as well.


Maybe he couldn't but he has his chance. Choji was even competing a little bit with Gedo Mazo. Because he is huge and powerful, i think he could through Susanoo away with his power, but you're right. There's no proof about that, but he still has his chance. For the genjutsu, Choji or others are not alone. That's what you forget. They are fighting in team. The time Sasuke does one move, they could do 11moves. He won't have time to do all what you think.


You can laugh if you want. It's only your problem, but i still believe it, and i say what i think, and i've explain why i think that. I think you underestimate Konoha11. I personaly believe that only Ino-Shika-Cho along with Sai has his chance against everybody, even against Edo Madara.

................the hell?

 

[Bogard]

amaterasu arrows kills them all

That makes me laugh cuz all the arguments of pro Sasuke are Amaterasu or arrows, jutsu that never killed people besides Zetsus who are fodders.

 

[GIVEUPONME]

Like i've said when i edited, Zetsu are weak and could be killed by Tenten easily. So what Sasuke did is not that impressiv. Sure he could surprise them with this jutsu, but i highly doubt all of them will be killed. Like i've said Shikamaru is a strategic fighter, but he is also a long range fighter. He never starts a fight by running forward to beat the ennemi. It's also the case for Sai who could fly and attack from distance. The one who will fight at close range is Lee and he is fast enough to avoid that. That's why i think that will never happen.

again true

I never said Lee couldn't enter the gates, I said he wouldn't be able to enter them and hit Sasuke before he summons his susanoo. Sasuke doesn't have to sit there. He can simply summon his hawk and keep his distance thus making Shikamaru's shadow possession jutsu useless.

I wasn't forgetting Sai, but he doesn't make much of a difference. Sasuke can simply use amaterasu on him while in the air and Sai doesn't have the necessary speed to avoid it. When has Ginkaku ever shown tremendous will power? Just because he was in a kyuubi chakra form doesn't mean he has tremendous will power. Sasuke on the other hand has demonstrated his great will power several times during the manga.

Choji was never competing with Gedo Mazo. He punched it and it hardly did anything.

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As for the genjutsu Sasuke uses genjutsu that paralyzes you, which means other people being there doesn't mean much since as soon as they're hit with the genjutsu they can't move just like Shi and Bee.

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Anyway I really don't care anymore because I'm done trying to convince you. You lack common sense and logic anyway. You thought Kakashi could beat Sasuke and Kimimaro could beat Gaara. I can only lmao at that.

u truly are annoying, all u said makes sense but konoha 11 would still somehow beat him. that is 11 ppl against one my dear no matter how much sasuke is powerful he cant defeat 11 strong ppl at once.

Sasuke. Ems > team 2

didnt understand

Sai flys in the air on his paper planes and he gets killed by a susanoo arrow and shikarama doesnt have to run in when he cant dodge Amaterasu in the first place. Lee cant avoid Amaterasu or do anything but flee none can break susanoo.

susanoo can be broken thats all u need to know if konoha 11 combine their strength they can not destroy but 1000 times destroy and crush susanoo.

 

[GIVEUPONME]

Sakura isn't destroying susanoo with raw strength. A was only able to accomplish that due to Oonoki making him faster and then strengthening his attack.

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Not to mention it was a incomplete susanoo.

None of those attacks are powerful enough to bust a full susanoo. Neji would have to get close to Sasuke to be able to do that and that's not happening.

it is possible becuz madara stated that tsunade is stronger in punch than raikage and we all know sakura surpasses tsunade.

 

[GIVEUPONME]

Konoha 11 Mid difficulty.
sasuke is not so strong.please don't overated him.

thats right

He could defeat them, the way he fought the kages before he had itachi's eyes, i doubt they would try to even capture him.

he couldnt beat any of the kages, tobi saved him from oonoki, zetsu saved him from mei and etc. and he was fighting them individually and here konoha 11 is united.

sasuke is outnumbered
don't underestimate konoha 11
k11 wins

yay

If he does that Choji is there to catch him. Don't forget he is huge and he can also fly as well.

Even if what you say is true, the time to counter Inos jutsu, Ino could kill him. I mean, she can enter Sasukes body and directly kill herself. What could Sasuke do in this case?


Yes but don't forget Gedo Mazo is much more greater and much more powerful than Susanoo. That's the difference.


I'm not saying he can't do that. I'm saying the time he use a genjutsu against one, the 10others are there as well to attack him. During that, one of them release the genjutsu to the one who get caught.


Easy to flee away when you lack of arguments. Actually all those who think Gaara is stronger than Kimimaro never told me why. I only wanted to know why. It's not even if i like Kimimaro. I prefer even Gaara to him(even if i prefered when he was evil). I was not saying Kimimaro will automatically win, but i wanted to know reasons why Gaara should win. As for Kakashi like i've said you can believe what you want, but i only say what think.

u preety knowledgeable

As someone said before konoha eleven are nothing but fodders
but if these fodders work together i can see that the battle can be a draw and almost all of the guys passing out with sasuke lol

they are not fodders but yeah they can defeat sasuke

I'm not fleeing from anything. I've just realized arguing with you is simply a waste of my time. Anyway this is my last post on this subject.

When has Choji ever shown the ability to fly in his butterfly mode? Still Sasuke could simply use amaterasu to one shot Choji as well. NONE of the konoha 11 have the speed to avoid amaterasu.

Sasuke has to be still for Ino's jutsu to even work hence why it's always performed with Shikamaru's shadow possession jutsu. Sasuke's not being caught by the shadow possession jutsu if he's in the air on his hawk.

Doesn't matter. A full susanoo has NEVER been penetrated. Heck Naruto's huge odoma rasengan, which was said in the databooks it could hollow a mountain didn't even scratch Madara's ribcage susanoo.

It rarely takes Sasuke anytime to use a genjutsu and he could easily use it at a distance while in susanoo.

Sasuke could easily just keep his distance and spam amaterasu and susanoo arrows at them, which none of them can avoid. All he has to do is have them in his sight.

To be honest I could care less what you think. You're the one who started this debate with me anyway.

for u sasuke is always on his stupid hawk and in his susanoo covered by amaterasu that is all ur talking about.
and choji was flying when he was fighting asuma, remember?
and shino can send his bugs to eat that hawk of his.

I think u guys underestimate the EMS, back in the day Madara could beat everyone except the first hokage. The konoha 11 is definately a formidable team but their combined strenght is yet far from Hashirama's.

we r not talking about madara and hashi

 

[GIVEUPONME]

I think sasuke would win high difficulty

it is high difficulty and thats why he cant beat them

If you say so, but what you must know is that if someone doesn't think the same way as you, that doesn't mean he lacks of comon sense. We're not forced to believe in the same thing. So if you think Sasuke is far more stronger it's only your thought. For me Kakashi is still stronger and i have my reasons why i think that.

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That's why in every post i have made, i have said Shikamaru will have to capture Sasuke first. I never said Ino could do something like that alone. Sasuke is too fast to be caught so easily. If Sasuke wants to go in the sky, see above.


Yes but databook also says that Kamui can't be avoided and that it's the best technic ever, but you don't believe it, do you? Databook said Susanoo can't be penetrated? And you forget the user can be caught from underground like Gaara has shown us in this mangas? It's not the first time that databook say something and after the mangas show us the jutsu has a weakness. So don't believe Susanoo can't be penetrated. Like Itachi said, "every jutsu has a weakness". There is a reason why Itachis Susanoo has a yata mirror. That means complete Susanoo can be penetrated. After all we've seen that Tsunade was able to break Madaras Susanoo only with one punch.


Yes but you also forget that Sasuke himself rarely use genjutsus. He is not Itachi.


Lee could avoid it with gates open. And i believe Neji could use his ultimate defense to protect himself. The others only stay at a good distance to wait for opportunities.

yay

Sasuke can one shot Choji with amaterasu if he tries to come after him in the sky, so I don't know why you continue to use that.

I never said susanoo couldn't be penetrated, but it hasn't yet and Choji definitely hasn't shown the strength to do so even in butterfly mode. Itachi's susanoo having yata mirror has nothing to do with a full susanoo being penetrable. He has them because he found them, nothing more.

Sasuke rarely using genjutsu isn't a valid counter. This is a verse thread where the characters can use anything.

Lee's only avoiding the arrows if he uses the gates and I highly doubt he can avoid amaterasu even with the gates. A barely avoided it and he's much faster than Lee in his gates. Not to mention Lee can only use 5 gates.

Neji may be able to block the arrows, but definitely not amaterasu since it coverges on the target meaning there's nothing coming at Neji for him to block. It would simply appear on Neji burning him to a crisp. The others are sitting ducks that Sasuke could easily one shot with amaterasu and susanoo arrows.

Anyway I'm done because I've got work. Besides I don't really care anymore anyway.

nonono it wont work. sasuke is going to get :flaw: .

I think it's really laughable when i see someone even thinking Sasuke has a chance against konoha11. After that i'm really wondering about the one who really lacks of common sense here.

lol xd

amaterasu arrows kills them all

cant be done

................the hell?

the hell r u saying

That makes me laugh cuz all the arguments of pro Sasuke are Amaterasu or arrows, jutsu that never killed people besides Zetsus who are fodders.

so true.

 

[GIVEUPONME]

why u ppl stopped come on tell me ur opinion

 

[Mishima]

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Sasuke wins. Low-Mid difficulty

 

[Dantee]

why u ppl stopped come on tell me ur opinion

I think you are in Denial.

 

[GIVEUPONME]

-Sakura with her healing and raw strength, was student of sannin and kage
-Sai with his ability to breath life into things he draws and use them any way he wants
-Kiba with Akamaru, their sense of smell and razor power
-Hinata with Byakugan and her gentle fist jutsus
-Shino with his bugs, he can make them do whatever he wants
-Shikamaru with his shadows, he can form them however he wants
-Choji with his strength and ability to awaken wings in form of a butterfly
-Ino with healing and mind entering
-Lee with taijutsu and gates
-Neji with byakugan, gentle fist and he is a genius
-TenTen with her weapons that has a lot of shapes and sizes