Who is the real sasuke THE TRUTH with PROOF
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RasenKirin
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Deidara was Akatsuki. And Danzo has several Sharingan, I wouldn't call having tough fights against them a bad thing. Especially when at first you know nothing about them so you have to learn during the battle.
And when did Kakashi beat Sasuke?
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You're saying look at Sasuke because of this fight and that fight, but even Naruto has shown to have trouble with characters and then out of nowhere gain something and seem badass. Sasuke awakened the EMS and his full version of Susano'o when he was testing it out was ridiculous. He hasn't even come close to mastering it yet. We really aren't sure just yet how good Sasuke is, but based on the way he fights when he doesn't just go on a psychotic rampage, he's extremely dangerous.
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are you serious? he won against danzou, he made deidara blow himself up because he was finished, these two are s-rank ninjas, and he fought itachi too and almost killed itachi with kirin. the guy became better at using chidori than kakashi, he developed kirin, has great katon jutsus, he is better with amaterasu than itachi altough not so many years of experience with ms by far, nice taijutsu and reasonable genjutsu and you say is b-rank? imo he is s-rank with no doubt.
Thats not the point of this thread. The point of this thread was that sasuke doesnt train, and relies on his MS. If you read the MS was elusive hardly anyone seen it itachi barely used, which is what makes MS so dangerous. Sasuke didnt awake EMS tobi gave him EMS. Sasuke has a god complex, he acts like he's all tough and he's a kage or a jinchurikki and can take on anyone but he isnt. thats what this thread was about. He thinks hes a 1 man army and he isnt. He already had full version of susano fighting danzo he just learned to master enton more. Itachi could do what he had at MS at what he can at EMS.
THis thread was talking about sasuke's free power ups and how he looks for easy stuff. Never created his own jutsu karin is guided by chidori. And he never taught himself a new tech. It's hard creating a new tech from scratch everything sasuke knows someone taught him.
He lacks the basics is what this is about not I hate sasuke i like the character hate his path atm. Part 1 i loved sasuke hes being illogical. And im not saying he shouldnt have hard fight. I'm saying if ur gonna be bad ass at least back it up dont like have to be revived from death like 6 times.
from chapters 483-485 sasuke blinded himself if the battle would of continued it would of been kakashi > sasuke no difficulty and sasuke didnt land 1 hit on kakashi kakashi landed about 4-5.
Deidara his fight was fixed lightning to disarm his bombs read my posts. He was revived by karin and needed karin to help him against danzo look at the manga. wasnt at all sasuke and 2) he broke all of sasuke's tech's sasuke is a tool of kishi he didnt do all these fight's solo, but kishi gave him hard opponents and plot no jutsued him so sasuke can seem better than he is c0 bomb S/T wasnt taught to sasuke. Tobi saved sasuke. Ill bbl i gotta finish a project.
Yes because he can outrun a 30 mile bomb. B class kishi plot tensei tobi saved him from danzo u act like he did it by himself and karin saved 2x dont in my post. his genjutsu cant affect A broke by deidara, noticed by C. He doesnt even use tai if he doesnt go for chidori and A vs chidori nuff said about taijutsu. He didnt come close the sickness killed itachi not even sasuke read the posts.... itachi wasnt even trying to kill him.
Well I took my time and read it all and You sir ARE Brilliant I agree with you 110% rep + :worshippy:Lets get this straight sasuke isnt underated sasuke has been given handouts by kishi's ultimate jutsu plot tensei no jutsu. But he still is strong, but he's overated to me hes B rank ninja .
I was flaber gasted kishi made naruto died first ie blood prison movie. But sasuke gets 6 chances.
Sasuke has more chances at life than Sora with kingdom heart with second wind and second chance.
Lets get this straight as well before people say sasuke has trained with oro who by databook is a genjutsu master but by manga definition he has only D, because its all we seen from him. Heck databook says kakashi is a good genjutsu teacher but he hardly uses it like oro, so by databook being able to use D rank genjutsu makes u great genjutsu.
Kishi needs to make more genjutsu users imo.
Sasuke has a god complex thinking uchiha's are unbeatable and the best thing to walk this earth.
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He's fighting a weak orochimaru who was waiting for his medicine for kabuto in so much pain hes such a oppurtunist in a bad way strike ONE .
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In the reality sasuke has neva beat anyone legitly past time jump they all were either sick or dying or he needed help from his team he needed plot tensei no jutsu and countless revival but yet he still thinks hes some god. Itachi went solo and so did most of his predecessors to fight healthy nins. Sasuke hasn't defeated anyone really so why do we praise him for mediocrocy and retreats and being saved.
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Foreshadowing:
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Oro caught in a D rank genjutsu so how is he a master?
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Sasuke's first genjutsu tech used
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Only legit fight he won was against deidara, and that was because he had a element disadvantage, his genjutsu wasn't even effective on deidara with his cm2 chakra. Plus sasuke should of been dead at suicide explosion but kishi saved him. Strike two.
deidara breaking sasuke's 3 tomoe genjutsu
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Kishi thx for making up a jutsu for him out of thin air because he didnt learn this from oro cuz oro was in his death bed on pills most of*his time.
He continued on knowing if deidara was strong enough to break his genjutsu he knew itachi would be strong enough to easily break since hes a genjutsu master. Idk how people consider him equal with sasuke knowing that itachi didnt hit deidara with tsukyiomi and got him with genjutsu. Even though deidara trained his eye to see through genjutsu, it still wouldnt be strong enough to see through a uchiha with strong capabilities. He has a version of so6p eyes and genjutsu is a yin tech. Dealing with the creating of illusions and giving them form and making the user think they actually have been hit with the real tech.*
cm2 mode sasuke breaking itachi genjutsu
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If you think about it he would of never even of made it to A or danzo if it wasnt for karin. How many times did she save his life, not to mention his team. Sasuke really isn't that good he is a B RANK NINJA WITH S CLASS TECHS not saying he sucks, just saying hes over rated and not as good as people think he is. He's like the proverb a house with a loose foundation. He abandoned the basis of training and strengthening his nature ever since he got MS techs.
Sasuke could be strong if he didnt rely on his MS for everything. If it wasn't for tobi he'd be blind when he fought kakashi and tried to use MS his eyes were done he had no more light he was going blind. The story line would be over sasuke would of been captured but tobi's medical nin had him transplant his brothers eyes to give him an EMS.
Sasuke wasn't able to keep up with A it's why he had Susano on the whole time mostly, and that one dodge to A's raiton armour his taijutsu isn't that great, or he would of been able to move and dodge it. He has a cocky attitude and thinks he can beat anyone since he has MS techs Susano Ama, and tsukyiomi.
Sasuke can't adapt to genjutsu well so he is no way in the top 5 he can see it but thats it cant react. As seen with C and when he fought itachi, he really lost the genjutsu fight seeing as he thought he was in it the whole way.*
Danzo he didn't notice danzo was under genjutsu himself this kid is suppose to see chakra like deidara's nanobombs. He chidoried himself and hurt himself to defeat deidara. But i gotta give him credit on the space time ninjutsu he used to get out of it.. WHich idk what he used, im thinking something similar like when the toads want out of the fight they go poof like a shadow clone so manda got hit but if not idk, Oro didnt have a S/T ninjutsu and sasuke doesnt have kamui or MS at this point.
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B lariated him and caved his chest in Suigetsu saved him from his final sting. He's not a tailed beast he needs to stop kidding himself thinking hes strong enough to take one on. Even B in cloak chakra mode was to much from him and if he hit him with tsukyi habichi would of tapped him out of it even in a real fight.
tobi saved sasuke from danzo's seal, Danzo put a hole in his susano with his summoning, Karin noticed danzo in genjutsu and was the ultimate reason why sasuke defeated danzo.You must be registered for see links. Not stronger than Danzo.
Sasuke about to be saved by tobi vs danzo*You must be registered for see links
His eyes are suppose to sense disturbances.
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Danzo breaking tsukyiomi:
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Non uchiha breaking tsukyiomi, but sasuke's genj is weak. Wouldn't of broken a good genjutsu users tsukyi.
Susanoo weak to wind style:
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Sasuke wouldn't of beat danzo if he could use shishui's eye its the ultimate in genjutsu tech's and best seeing through ability of uchiha clan. So fought a weakened danzo, i believe he used it during the kages meet.
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Karin to the aid like in everyone of his fights:
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Sasuke doesnt really have strength all on his own its his team.....
Sasuke's speed failing against a dying danzo and a healed sasuke: Also proving his eyes are useless lost light. The next time he used a MS tech was against kakashi and he couldnt use them anymore eh went blindish.
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Sasuke with genjutsu: As we seen before he failed with putting danzo and deidara under genjutsu, and B. Lets see the average the person, and his defense against it with C who is classified as a Sensor/medic ninja like karin who knows One Genjutsu tech so he could run away and take cover and blind the enemy while Darui and A do work
You see here Jugo noticing the genjutsu, before sasuke, and then the next page telling him what its trying to do. Sasuke does get hit with the genjutsu he tanks them he doesn't break them since itachi and proving it once again right here. at image #5
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He then just barks saying its genjutsu, if he could see through it he would of moved away, but he just tanked it we all know he can see chakra and disturbances but he couldnt see it. Showing he isnt good at breaking or seeing through genjutsu. Also he just says its genjutsu and by the time he realizes it A and darui are there to finish sasuke off, but through plot tensei no jutsu jugo and suigetus blindly block for him
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Then sasuke's cockyness thinking he's kage lvl he needs to learn even the best ninja's need help.
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Sasuke's susano genjutsu one of sasuke's best a MS level tech could be as good as tsukyi it could be tsukyi.
It's of the same caliber as well C genjutsu C can tell its genjutsu but has no deflection or evasion genjutsu techs so is forced to tank it. Proof it was a MS tech and not a regular genjutsu sasuke is holding his eye.
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Proof C is a med ninja as well not really a genj user mostly a support nin.
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Sasuke has the apt for genjutsu as tobi explains here he just needs to train it no excuses
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Sasuke has B rank Speed look at him in his head on assault against A and Darui.
He wasn't even that far and look how easily darui intercepted him. This is for the people who think sasuke can keep up with A or Darui.
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As you see sasuke's speed
A's speed dodges point blank blast from juugo and point blank ama
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Sasuke gets the blind spot on raikage but raikage easily dodges, without breaking a sweat and sasuke is already in swing when he dodges. He has no chance to defend himself for people who say sasuke has good taijutsu.
Sasuke jumped back and only took like 1-2 steps then ducked A's elbow and hit him with chidori. Ignore tobi's lie hatred wasnt the reason itachi got strong, its because he was a perfectionist and trained and tobi has been seen as a liar saying he was madara cant believe everything.
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Kishi tensei plot no jutsu
how does 3 tomoe sharingan keep up with raikage when MS sharingan cant keep up like really each tomoe is suppose to help u keep track of things moving faster easier and MS is more advanced than 3 tomoe cmon kishi
Back to what i was saying his chidori his best offensive tech vs raikage armour hardly left a dent. B rank tech vs B+ level defence and its still on.*
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Sasuke tai cant keep up with A's S rank Sasuke tai is prob a high C rank at best now.
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For those who say yah hes good he can enhance his swordmandry even the samurai can do it.
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A's speed is S rank dodges a point blank ama*
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His ulimate defense smashed through and sasuke was hurt left bleeding from the mouth afterwards he wasnt bleeding before.
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Proof Sasuke's Ama is a B rank Burn not S rank with A rank power. Ama isnt the end all say all gara's defense stopped it and it couldnt burn the sand.
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Gaara is a s class ninja now because he trained he has no jinchurikki either now.
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It's a B rank seal so its a B rank Burn
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Proof itachi could use enton for those doubting his ninjutsu:
Proof he could form ama just like sasuke
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Even if his susano is in his final form it would of been melted its weak to air type attacks as shown by danzo and acid is acid.
Zetsu restoring sasukes strength.GJ Zetsu sasuke getting help from more than 1 team shows his competency.
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Even with his susano he couldnt of tanked this
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Tobi saving him:
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Also without tobi sasuke wouldnt have power he'd be blind.
Sasuke is strong but to me hes a B rank ninja with s rank techs who doesnt know how to use them
This thread is made 04/30/12 and shouldnt be used as good evidence if sasuke has changed his ways after EMS.
Sasuke needs to stop acting tough he's strong but he isn't a kage or a beast sasuke plz just go home and train and stick to the basics plaza.
I wouldnt be surprised that after the war if tobi is alive and weak sasuke wont try to pull an oro, and kill him and take his rinnegan since he likes easy power ups.
And about his EMS he says it all
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He needs to be logical now and think:scorps:
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RasenKirin
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Sasuke has a superiority complex, so what? He can't be perfect. And you saying Tobi gave him EMS is dumb. Sasuke clearly told him he wanted/needed Itachi's eyes. That was to awaken the EMS. That's like saying Madara didn't awaken the EMS, Izuna GAVE him it. No, it doesn't work like that. The way to obtain the EMS was explained in brief detail. Again, how can you say Itachi can do with MS that Sasuke can with the EMS if we haven't even seen what fourth unlocked technique Sasuke opened by obtaining the EMS? Please give the manga time to reveal how powerful these eyes are.
And your part about Kakashi just tells me that in order for Kakashi to defeat or kill Sasuke, the dude would have to be blind. By the way, I read the manga and am very aware of the happenings in the Danzou fight and Deidara one for that matter. You're saying Sasuke doesn't train but he was one of the most hardworking. He trained like a dog just as Naruto has. Difference is, Sasuke has been more occupied with learning things from Tobi and had to deal with almost going blind, etc... He trained during the time skip with Orochimaru as well. I just don't believe the guy has really had ANY real time to train these past chapters.
By the way, his Susano'o is stronger than it was when he faced Danzou. You're saying that Sasuke had free power ups, yet Naruto pretty much always gets his butt saved by Kyuubi. Kirin is an original technique created by Sasuke. The technique is using natural lightening.
I for one never claimed you hated Sasuke. You're just stating your opinions on something you feel strongly about. However, like I said before, some of what you said is agreeable, but some of it is not.
Moku Senju
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Me too!:T_T:
I keep hearing of this blood prison thingy, is it a movie, spinoff, subseries? please idk what it is, dont spoil it eiather, i like naruto things, but don't like getting stuff spoiled out to me.
UchihaxSenju
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while i was reading this thread i stumbled upon the words sasuke is only a b-rank ninja, i couldn't agree with this statement. your saying that all his fights with kage or s-rank ninjas were all by plot-no-jutsu when he was able to keep his ground with them and gave them trouble. your saying he hasn't trained when the reason for that is he knows he's strong enough to kill the elders of the leaf and he said it himself the other ninjas aren't his immediate concern so there was no need to train. i know your stating your opinion about sasuke but writing a long ass thread like this will bore most viewers of this thread.
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I am very tired right now and dont have the energy to type a counter essay so all I'll say is...I disagree.
Sasuke managed to disarm Sakura,engage in an almost full length battle with the jounin level Kakashi and counter Naruto's rasengan with his chidori while being tired and blind.
Sasuke managed to disarm Sakura,engage in an almost full length battle with the jounin level Kakashi and counter Naruto's rasengan with his chidori while being tired and blind.
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soulreaper11
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true very true but the same is also true for NARUTO so look into that it is not sasuke fault the whole NARUTO storyline is basic around him.that's all I got to say.:scorps:
