Tobi: A complete analysis of his qualities and abilities.

[KyoshiroSenju]

I just rofled at the fail. Itachi has a perfect 5 in the databook for genjutsu and it is his main fighting technique .

Itachi has a thousand more feats in genjutsu than Tobi ever will.

Itachi never controlled anyone? Remember when Itachi invaded Konoha? :sy:
Itachi hasn't shown Izanagi because it probably requires senju dna but doesn't Itachi have Izanami?

When has Tobi ever brung genjutsu to a fight? besides Izanagi which even Danzo was able to use.

He only controlled weak people itachi doesnt have the power to control a perfect jinchuriki for 10 years top. Tobi mastered alot of genjutsu n who knws he doesnt knw bout izanami already.

 

[Cfighter]

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[Dantee]

Tobi hasn't been in a databook...your point? I'm kind of laughing at you right now...

Oh yeah, controlling some random fodder for a few minutes is waaaay better than controlling the Mizukage + Bijuu (he's a perfect jinchuuriki). /sarcasm :sy: Don't tell me you actually think that. -__-

As of now, Itachi hasn't used Izanami. So we don't know how good it is.

Tobi has only been in a few fights...your point? Every time Itachi used Genjutsu in a fight, except once, its been broken.


And from everything that's been pointed at, Itachi can only control Kurama with a MS, unlike Tobi and his base Sharingan. We're going by feats here, mister "Itachi has a thousand more feats than Tobi." -__-

Your only argument is that Tobi was able to control a jinchuriki and when has Itachi even tried to take control of one?

Itachi has won every fight in genjutsu besides Sasuke which he wasn't trying to win in the first place.

Whether Itachi can control Kurama in 3 tomoe or MS is unknown. However if he can control it either way how can you say Tobi's genjutsu > the best genjutsu user shown in the series. :sy:

 

[TobisPawn]

Your only argument is that Tobi was able to control a jinchuriki and when has Itachi even tried to take control of one?

Itachi has won every fight in genjutsu besides Sasuke which he wasn't trying to win in the first place.

Whether Itachi can control Kurama in 3 tomoe or MS is unknown. However if he can control it either way how can you say Tobi's genjutsu > the best genjutsu user shown in the series. :sy:

Naruto broke out Itachi's Genjutsu. And we're going by feats.

At bolded: Nice opinionated assumption! Didn't I just disprove Itachi being the best Genjutsu user?

I see you're just going to keep assuming things, such as Itachi controlling a perfect jink or using a 3-Tomoe on Kurama, so I'm done here.

And Itachi won every fight? He beat Kakashi, Asuma, and Kurenai. That's it. Kakashi, in a later fight, broke out of his Genjutsu. Naruto was assisted in breaking out of his Genjutsu. Sasuke saw through his Genjutsu....??

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What can I say? :scorps:

 

[Dantee]

Naruto broke out Itachi's Genjutsu. And we're going by feats.

At bolded: Nice opinionated assumption! Didn't I just disprove Itachi being the best Genjutsu user?

I see you're just going to keep assuming things, such as Itachi controlling a perfect jink or using a 3-Tomoe on Kurama, so I'm done here.

I see you

When did I say that? I said Itachi never had the chance and most likely could replicate this feat seeing as he is very profound in genjutsu. :sy:

Did you just say Naruto broke out Itachi's genjutsu? I'm done.

And Itachi won every fight? He beat Kakashi, Asuma, and Kurenai. That's it. Kakashi, in a later fight, broke out of his Genjutsu. Naruto was assisted in breaking out of his Genjutsu. Sasuke saw through his Genjutsu....??

I said he won every fight with genjutsu not that people broke out of it. Besides Sasuke. :|

 

[TobisPawn]

When did I say that? I said Itachi never had the chance and most likely could replicate this feat seeing as he is very profound in genjutsu. :sy:

Did you just say Naruto broke out Itachi's genjutsu? I'm done.

Chiyo helped Naruto break out of his Genjutsu. Note this is 3-Tomoe Genjutsu, which Tobi used to control Yagura.

And there you go assuming things again. Being good in Genjutsu doesn't automatically allow you to control a Mizukage (skilled shinobi) plus his Bijuu (perfect jinchuuriki). And Sasuke and Itachi were pretty sure that you need a MS to control Kurama, so don't assume anything.

You're whole basis is, "Itachi's the best at Genjutsu so he can do that too," which is completely absurd. -___- And btw, Shisui's and Tobi's Genjutsu > Itachi's.

I said he won every fight with genjutsu not that people broke out of it. Besides Sasuke. :|

How'd he win if everyone broke out?

 

[Darth Wignus]

I read the whole thong and it was well written and thought out.

 

[Ari Matako]

I like this thread alot. xD Good job!

 

[Dantee]

Chiyo helped Naruto break out of his Genjutsu. Note this is 3-Tomoe Genjutsu, which Tobi used to control Yagura.

And there you go assuming things again. Being good in Genjutsu doesn't automatically allow you to control a Mizukage (skilled shinobi) plus his Bijuu (perfect jinchuuriki). And Sasuke and Itachi were pretty sure that you need a MS to control Kurama, so don't assume anything.

You're whole basis is, "Itachi's the best at Genjutsu so he can do that to," which is completely absurd.

How is it absurd to assume that if you're good at genjutsu you can use genjutsu to control a jinchuriki? Itachi has just never been shown to attempt. Itachi has shown better use at genjutsu and that is fact.

How'd he win if everyone broke out?

Besides Sasuke :| Was he trying to kill Sasuke. Was he trying to kill Naruto? Did he not give Naruto Shisui eye?

 

[Drakengard]

Itachi seems to have more ways to get people in a genjutsu, while Tobi's seems to be rather powerful and hard to break out of. Pretty nice considering he used the 3-tomoe for the Kyuubi (actually he might have used MS considering that one thread)

 

[KyoshiroSenju]

Itachi seems to have more ways to get people in a genjutsu, while Tobi's seems to be rather powerful and hard to break out of. Pretty nice considering he used the 3-tomoe for the Kyuubi (actually he might have used MS considering that one thread)

Agree^^ n i believe tht tobi have ms or ems on tht right eye

 

[TobisPawn]

How is it absurd to assume that if you're good at genjutsu you can use genjutsu to control a jinchuriki? Itachi has just never been shown to attempt. Itachi has shown better use at genjutsu and that is fact.


Besides Sasuke :| Was he trying to kill Sasuke. Was he trying to kill Naruto? Did he not give Naruto Shisui eye?

Because perfect Jinchuurikis have been stated to be almost impossible to place under Genjutsu? And there you go again.

-Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Kakashi and Sasuke, and drained the hell out of his chakra.
-His meager Genjutsus were all broken out of. How amazing!
-His Tsukuyomi was broken out of. That's his best Genjutsu!

How has Itachi shown better Genjutsu use? :sy: Here's Tobi:

-Controlled Yagura, MIZUKAGE AND PERFECT JINCHUURIKI, with a BASE SHARINGAN, for years on end.
-Has a perfect Izanagi. The ultimate Genjutsu.
-Killed Konan and figured out the Rinnegan's whereabouts.

So tell me, who has better Genjutsu feats? You must be a die-hard Itachi fan...


Who cares if he was trying to kill them or not? The point is, they escaped. As for Sasuke, Tsukuyomi doesn't kill. He was pushing him to his limits to release Orochimaru.

Itachi seems to have more ways to get people in a genjutsu, while Tobi's seems to be rather powerful and hard to break out of. Pretty nice considering he used the 3-tomoe for the Kyuubi (actually he might have used MS considering that one thread)

I can post a good amount of panels showing Tobi's 3-TOMOE during the invasion. But I agree with what you said.

 

[Dantee]

Because perfect Jinchuurikis have been stated to be almost impossible to place under Genjutsu? And there you go again.

-Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Kakashi and Sasuke, and drained the hell out of his chakra.
-His meager Genjutsus were all broken out of. How amazing!
-His Tsukuyomi was broken out of. That's his best Genjutsu!

How has Itachi shown better Genjutsu use? :sy: Here's Tobi:

-Controlled Yagura, MIZUKAGE AND PERFECT JINCHUURIKI, with a BASE SHARINGAN, for years on end.
-Has a perfect Izanagi. The ultimate Genjutsu.
-Killed Konan and figured out the Rinnegan's whereabouts.

So tell me, who has better Genjutsu feats? You must be a die-hard Itachi fan...


Who cares if he was trying to kill them or not? The point is, they escaped. As for Sasuke, Tsukuyomi doesn't kill. He was pushing him to his limits to release Orochimaru.




I can post a good amount of panels showing Tobi's 3-TOMOE during the invasion. But I agree with what you said.

The only person to break out of his genjutsu on their own was Sasuke. Everyone else had help and Itachi was not even trying to harm them in the 1st place.

-Defeated Oro, Diedara, Kakashi, with simple genjutsu
-Itachi can place genjutsu's with a point of his finger.
-Can place genjutsu out of a sensors range
-No name Izanami that is most likely powerful
-3 tomoe vs MS debate over Kurama who knows if Itachi can do it with 3 tomoe or not. However if he can do it with MS main point is he can do it? :|


You have no proof that Tobi was controlling Yugura with a base sharigan.

He does not have perfect Izanagi but Izanagi just like Danzo incomplete. (His eye do close after use)

 

[The Work]

Great! I'm ready to see what he's going to do with Naruto and that fan once we get back to the fight

 

[TobisPawn]

The only person to break out of his genjutsu on their own was Sasuke. Everyone else had help and Itachi was not even trying to harm them in the 1st place.

-Defeated Oro, Diedara, Kakashi, with simple genjutsu
-Itachi can place genjutsu's with a point of his finger.
-Can place genjutsu out of a sensors range
-No name Izanami that is most likely powerful
-3 tomoe vs MS debate over Kurama who knows if Itachi can do it with 3 tomoe or not. However if he can do it with MS main point is he can do it? :|


You have no proof that Tobi was controlling Yugura with a base sharigan.

He does not have perfect Izanagi but Izanagi just like Danzo incomplete. (His eye do close after use)

-I'll give you these ones. For Kakashi, it wasn't simple though. He drained himself after using Tsukuyomi.
-Your point? All of those Genjutsu suck. Tobi's are way better than Itachi's "finger Genjutsu."
-Where'd you learn this? Proof?
-By feats, please. Counterexample: Tobi's Izanagi.
-And Tobi can do it with 3-Tomoe, making him better.

WTF? Losing your eyesight is a side-effect of Izanagi. That can't be helped. And Tobi's Izanagi in one eye = 10 minutes. Danzo's one eye Izanagi = 1 minute.


LOL I have no proof? Ok, here's your proof. :sy:

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Clearly a 3-Tomoe.

And proof that he used his Sharingan:

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"But...who are you that you possess...the power to control the Sanbi's host?"

Clearly it would take power to control him, and Tobi did.


You never replied to the points I made about Tobi's Genjutsu being superior.

 

[KyoshiroSenju]

The only person to break out of his genjutsu on their own was Sasuke. Everyone else had help and Itachi was not even trying to harm them in the 1st place.

-Defeated Oro, Diedara, Kakashi, with simple genjutsu
-Itachi can place genjutsu's with a point of his finger.
-Can place genjutsu out of a sensors range
-No name Izanami that is most likely powerful
-3 tomoe vs MS debate over Kurama who knows if Itachi can do it with 3 tomoe or not. However if he can do it with MS main point is he can do it? :|


You have no proof that Tobi was controlling Yugura with a base sharigan.

He does not have perfect Izanagi but Izanagi just like Danzo incomplete. (His eye do close after use)

Tobi izanagi was perfect n it was stated by him n his eyes close cuz thts the effect after u use izanagi:sy: n one sharingan equal all of danzo sharingan

 

[Dantee]

-I'll give you these ones. For Kakashi, it wasn't simple though. He drained himself after using Tsukuyomi.
-Your point? All of those Genjutsu suck. Tobi's are way better than Itachi's "finger Genjutsu."
-Where'd you learn this? Proof?
-By feats, please. Counterexample: Tobi's Izanagi.
-And Tobi can do it with 3-Tomoe, making him better.

WTF? Losing your eyesight is a side-effect of Izanagi. That can't be helped. And Tobi's Izanagi in one eye = 10 minutes. Danzo's one eye Izanagi = 1 minute.


LOL I have no proof? Ok, here's your proof. :sy:

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Clearly a 3-Tomoe.

And proof that he used his Sharingan:

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"But...who are you that you possess...the power to control the Sanbi's host?"

Clearly it would take power to control him, and Tobi did.


You never replied to the points I made about Tobi's Genjutsu being superior.

That still doesn't mean Itachi can't do the same thing as well. Itachi has still shown better use of genjutsu whether or not Tobi's is more powerfull. It is clear who is the better genjutsu user.

Question why didn't Tobi just go around controlling people with genjutsu if it was simple as 3 tomoe.

 

[EternalSage]

The whole Genjustu part (besides him controlling Yagura) is flawed.

No just no. This thread spells fanboy all over.

He has shown no real Taijutsu either. All of the manga pages you showed were people running full speed at him and him dematerializing his body and them flying through. Taking people out with just his legs? Really?

Tobi is definitely powerful, but this is over rating.

 

[The Work]

Tobi isn't Madara...he can't be......

 

[TobisPawn]

That still doesn't mean Itachi can't do the same thing as well. Itachi has still shown better use of genjutsu whether or not Tobi's is more powerfull. It is clear who is the better genjutsu user.

Question why didn't Tobi just go around controlling people with genjutsu if it was simple as 3 tomoe.

I just proved you wrong, and you still say that Itachi has shown better use? :sy:

This is what Itachi fans are like....


And maybe because of plot? Why didn't Minato follow and kill Tobi? Plot. Why did Minato die to seal Kurama? Plot. Why did Tsunade become Hokage? Plot. Its all plot. -__-

The whole Genjustu part (besides him controlling Yagura) is flawed.

No just no. This thread spells fanboy all over.

He has shown no real Taijutsu either. All of the manga pages you showed were people running full speed at him and him dematerializing his body and them flying through. Taking people out with just his legs? Really?

Tobi is definitely powerful, but this is over rating.

The Genjutsu part is flawed? Tell me how its "flawed." And you must think Itachi has the best Genjutsu?

As for the Taijutsu, that's why I said he hasn't really shown much, but that his S/T GIVES HIM AN ADVANTAGE IN TAIJUTSU. Did you even bother reading my post? I even stated that he hasn't shown much Taijutsu, if any at all, but his S/T techs can give him an advantage in that category.

And I'm not overrating anything else really...