[RP] Swift Release's Abilities and Restrictions

[ReXii]

*Implying that we're stubborn people who won't accept solid fact, when it's an opinion being debated.*

Belittling your opponents does nothing to help your arguement. Both sides presented their views and opinions, and so there's nothing more to say. Comments like that do nothing.

There isnt a debate

You and others are saying its op cause its to fast
We stated that its easy to counter which is a fact and it really is.

Thats it pretty much discussion done with but now there are constant comparisons and replies every minute xd

@Coyote LOL funny thing is you could probably actually do that xd

 

[The Doctor]

Its useless trying to explain it apparently

Oh well i mean this thread was good and imm'a let it finish....But Xanthe had the best pointless bitching thread ever.

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Swift release is actually rather OP if used correctly. Swift release can be countered easily, however that doesn't mean that it should be given away as easily as it is. Third gate speed is rather substantial, by anyone's standards. As said MANY times in this thread, we aren't suggesting it be nerfed in any way. Adding a few extra restrictions, obviously mod permission, and to be quite honest, a swift test similar to rain would do miracles for the level of competency of users.

Also, it isn't actually pointless bitching in this thread. This is a very plausible suggestion, that would raise the quality of the RP.

Also: Amaterasu is easily countered, however people still feel the need to call it OP, and still want it restricted. Why? Because it IS OP if used under the right circumstances.

 

[ReXii]

Swift release is actually rather OP if used correctly. Swift release can be countered easily, however that doesn't mean that it should be given away as easily as it is. Third gate speed is rather substantial, by anyone's standards. As said MANY times in this thread, we aren't suggesting it be nerfed in any way. Adding a few extra restrictions, obviously mod permission, and to be quite honest, a swift test similar to rain would do miracles for the level of competency of users.

Also, it isn't actually pointless bitching in this thread. This is a very plausible suggestion, that would raise the quality of the RP.

Also: Amaterasu is easily countered, however people still feel the need to call it OP, and still want it restricted. Why? Because it IS OP if used under the right circumstances.

Ok ill be fair here

Anyone give me any example of swift release they can think of that is as OP as possibile and highlights everything wrong and all these points that have been made.

Then if i cant counter it i'll agree that its OP
Any situation is allowed but obviously it must be a first post attempt since swift is being called a OHKO.

 

[The Doctor]

Ok ill be fair here

Anyone give me any example of swift release they can think of that is as OP as possibile and highlights everything wrong and all these points that have been made.

Then if i cant counter it i'll agree that its OP
Any situation is allowed but obviously it must be a first post attempt since swift is being called a OHKO.

I hope you don't think something being OPed means that it is uncounterable. The Gates are considered OP, yet they're counterable. Please, understand that it CAN be used in such a way that it's extremely difficult to counter, and HAS THE POTENTIAL to be easily abused. The restrictions are simply not fit for something of third gate speed.

 

[-Yard-]

Swift release is actually rather OP if used correctly. Swift release can be countered easily, however that doesn't mean that it should be given away as easily as it is. Third gate speed is rather substantial, by anyone's standards. As said MANY times in this thread, we aren't suggesting it be nerfed in any way. Adding a few extra restrictions, obviously mod permission, and to be quite honest, a swift test similar to rain would do miracles for the level of competency of users.

Also, it isn't actually pointless bitching in this thread. This is a very plausible suggestion, that would raise the quality of the RP.

Also: Amaterasu is easily countered, however people still feel the need to call it OP, and still want it restricted. Why? Because it IS OP if used under the right circumstances.

I don't mind that, but I believe a test goes a little too far for something that can be countered so easily. I do indeed hate that so many bios are being made, but it's mostly just a fad, when people that made it thinking they could get a one hit k.o find out that it can be countered easily, they'll just drop it for another bio. I don't want the release being nerfed, I think mod permission and maybe some restrictions like 6 months of RP etc would deduct the use of noob spam and would be a nice touch. If it was a test bio, then hiruko would make swift testing pointless since you need a test for Hiruko who can use swift and one other kg with the use of the Chimera Technique. So why test for swift release alone when you could do that? Unless the test was easier like the rain test as you said, I don't think I would mind that kind of restriction. But, mod permission and a battle test seems a bit much for something that can be easily countered.

 

[ReXii]

I hope you don't think something being OPed means that it is uncounterable. The Gates are considered OP, yet they're counterable. Please, understand that it CAN be used in such a way that it's extremely difficult to counter, and HAS THE POTENTIAL to be easily abused. The restrictions are simply not fit for something of third gate speed.

The word OP means overpowered for something to be overpowered suggests that it is very difficult to combat I.E the actual word OP being used to describe it.

o·ver·pow·er (vr-pour)
tr.v. o·ver·pow·ered, o·ver·pow·er·ing, o·ver·pow·ers
1. To overcome or vanquish by superior force; subdue.
2. To affect so strongly as to make helpless or ineffective; overwhelm.
3. To supply with excessive mechanical power.

For it to fit that definition it would need to be unstoppable and have hugely superior force which it does not

 

[Drizzy]

If you had read my entire post, you would see why I say it doesn't need to be restricted. But, instead you only read the first paragraph and then post. I'm saying that if it is a release that is so easy to counter, why should it be even more restricted? Why should the speed be lowered? Why should it have a test on it? I fail to see the big deal with swift release. I made a swift bio because I like taijutsu, because I do indeed like the speed, but I do not abuse it, the only times I ever battle anymore is when I battle with friends because it's more fun. You cannot abuse a technique that is easy to counter. That's like if everyones skin was as hard as steel and people complain about a guy who abuses a gun. It's impossible. Once one person counters swift release respectfully, and people see how easy it is, it will catch on and others who do not know how to counter it will do it as well. But saying I'm only disagreeing because I have a swift bio is being pretty near sighted. If I see someone trying to make swift seem completely over powered and un counterable when it isn't then yes, I will post explaining it isn't because it in no way is uncounterable. You don't see random techniques being restricted because people lack knowledge of how to counter, by techniques I mean the elemental ones. If a person can't counter mountain smash, they don't make a thread saying it should be restricted. Same goes for shadowless flight. You can counter the release with multiple techniques, there isn't anything to complain about.

Of course there isn't a big deal, my thread is simply about abuse, and yet you and Rexii post here about "Swift is easy to be countered", who the hell cares?
If I'm approached by a swift bio, I stand my ground,what happens to others? As I said before, I don't speak on behalf of myself. It's mainly the newer members abusing the techniques because they simply want to seem "skilled", hence my suggestion. I have no problem with your opinion, just simply come straight without the indirect insults. |:

Drizzy i offer to take on multiple members for the challenge and get off your high horse when i first joined you used A-S ranks against me when i had D rank water and thats it.

You didnt use Nekura techniques because there isnt any you genius and as for dark release its a completely different KG so you cant really compare it to swift or any speed enhancement.

I have a particular way of Rping and if i choose to use my KG over basic 5 then its my choice this entire thread is simply here because you cant stand the fact that people are using something that your not and because of that you want it restricted.

Again its nothing about me being high and mighty stop acting like a jealous ten year old because i like fighting more then one person at once.

Bitches be so jealous of my super saiyan swagger these days U_U

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It's obvious that the Nekura doesn't have any techniques, but your vocabulary can't seem to tell the difference between abilities and techniques. It doesn't matter if there can be comparison between Dark and Swift or not, I'm simply saying spamming techniques just for the fact to look high and mighty is pathetic. Everyone has the right to spam techniques and do whatever they want, most people don't care, just know that your own reputation is at risk. Anyone who doesn't care about reputation (not that green bar ~_~) doesn't really care about themselves.

What is there to be jealous about? If I want a Swift release bio I can simply make one. A jealous ten year old you say? You're the immature one, you're the arrogant one. When you're ready to act mature and have a discussion on a topic like a grown, civilized person you can leave a message.

 

[ReXii]

Of course there isn't a big deal, my thread is simply about abuse, and yet you and Rexii post here about "Swift is easy to be countered", who the hell cares?
If I'm approached by a swift bio, I stand my ground,what happens to others? As I said before, I don't speak on behalf of myself. It's mainly the newer members abusing the techniques because they simply want to seem "skilled", hence my suggestion. I have no problem with your opinion, just simply come straight without the indirect insults. |:



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It's obvious that the Nekura doesn't have any techniques, but your vocabulary can't seem to tell the difference between abilities and techniques. It doesn't matter if there can be comparison between Dark and Swift or not, I'm simply saying spamming techniques just for the fact to look high and mighty is pathetic. Everyone has the right to spam techniques and do whatever they want, most people don't care, just know that your own reputation is at risk. Anyone who doesn't care about reputation (not that green bar ~_~) doesn't really care about themselves.

What is there to be jealous about? If I want a Swift release bio I can simply make one. A jealous ten year old you say? You're the immature one, you're the arrogant one, you're the one who needs major spelling/grammar correction. When you're ready to act mature and have a discussion on a topic like a grown, civilized person you can leave a message.

What topic is it your reffering to exactly.
Because this one hasnt had a single reply to any of the points mentioned it just skips over to the next attempt to make swift seem better then it is.
Until any of the rebuttals are answered then i see no reason to leave a message regarding it.
Also dont try and be a grammar nazi its quite easily the most pathetic form of flaming in the world. *facepalm*

Also i wasnt reffering to that match though you drowning yourself did just make me lol
I was reffering to the match when you used rasengans to counter a D rank water sword U_U

 

[XZA]

They swift..
You Nagashi..
Win..

did anyone even read this?

 

[ReXii]

did anyone even read this?

Guess it got ignored like the other obvious points about swift defense

 

[The Doctor]

The word OP means overpowered for something to be overpowered suggests that it is very difficult to combat I.E the actual word OP being used to describe it.

o·ver·pow·er (vr-pour)
tr.v. o·ver·pow·ered, o·ver·pow·er·ing, o·ver·pow·ers
1. To overcome or vanquish by superior force; subdue.
2. To affect so strongly as to make helpless or ineffective; overwhelm.
3. To supply with excessive mechanical power.

For it to fit that definition it would need to be unstoppable and have hugely superior force which it does not

It doesn't need to simply be unstoppable, as everything in some way or another is stoppable. The argument I'm making is, in the right hands, it does have a hugely superior force against a wide variety of people.

I really don't wish to argue further, as I've made my point in this thread.


@Yard That wouldn't be bad, actually. 6 months, in many cases, would give a member enough experience not to abuse it, as well as give them the competency to use it. While I think a test would be beneficial for many people, I don't think it's ABSOLUTELY needed. Perhaps a mod's permission OR a test would suffice? Test are actually quite fun in many circumstances, and give the mod who declined said person's request something to reference for future events.

I understand completely where you're coming from with the fad ordeal, as Kaguyas seem to have that off and on. >_> Hopefully the overall competency of newer members will increase to the point where everyone is able to use every KG correctly.

 

[Drizzy]

did anyone even read this?

Did you read the thread? Seems like you haven't grasped the point.

 

[ReXii]

It doesn't need to simply be unstoppable, as everything in some way or another is stoppable. The argument I'm making is, in the right hands, it does have a hugely superior force against a wide variety of people.

I really don't wish to argue further, as I've made my point in this thread.


@Yard That wouldn't be bad, actually. 6 months, in many cases, would give a member enough experience not to abuse it, as well as give them the competency to use it. While I think a test would be beneficial for many people, I don't think it's ABSOLUTELY needed. Perhaps a mod's permission OR a test would suffice? Test are actually quite fun in many circumstances, and give the mod who declined said person's request something to reference for future events.

I understand completely where you're coming from with the fad ordeal, as Kaguyas seem to have that off and on. >_> Hopefully the overall competency of newer members will increase to the point where everyone is able to use every KG correctly.

I completely agree with you but surely the same could be said for any KG and because people see swift being used they think "oh its so awesome ill make one"
Same thing happens with hyuuga, uchiha, kaguya, Kiyoshi, Ice release. etc
All KG have a fad and they all have amazing potential i used swift for a long time before it was short-long and i use it because i like the KG i like speed i dont see why i shouldnt be able to freely use the KG just because people dont like it being used because its "fast"

 

[Gingka Uzumaki]

Swag....

 

[-Yard-]

Of course there isn't a big deal, my thread is simply about abuse, and yet you and Rexii post here about "Swift is easy to be countered", who the hell cares?
If I'm approached by a swift bio, I stand my ground,what happens to others? As I said before, I don't speak on behalf of myself. It's mainly the newer members abusing the techniques because they simply want to seem "skilled", hence my suggestion. I have no problem with your opinion, just simply come straight without the indirect insults. |:


Everyone has the right to spam techniques and do whatever they want, most people don't care, just know that your own reputation is at risk. Anyone who doesn't care about reputation (not that green bar ~_~) doesn't really care about themselves.

What is there to be jealous about? If I want a Swift release bio I can simply make one. A jealous ten year old you say? You're the immature one, you're the arrogant one. When you're ready to act mature and have a discussion on a topic like a grown, civilized person you can leave a message.

@ the bold/red :|


Once again, you say your thread is about the abuse of swift release. How do you abuse something that can be countered easily? As I said before, you cannot abuse something if it can be countered easily. And if they want to spam the technique, they made the bio, they have every right to, tho it's not fun RP, but they still have the right to. You saying that it is abused is nonsense, you cannot abuse a technique that can be countered with ease.

@Yard That wouldn't be bad, actually. 6 months, in many cases, would give a member enough experience not to abuse it, as well as give them the competency to use it. While I think a test would be beneficial for many people, I don't think it's ABSOLUTELY needed. Perhaps a mod's permission OR a test would suffice? Test are actually quite fun in many circumstances, and give the mod who declined said person's request something to reference for future events.

I understand completely where you're coming from with the fad ordeal, as Kaguyas seem to have that off and on. >_> Hopefully the overall competency of newer members will increase to the point where everyone is able to use every KG correctly.

Glad we could agree then xD

 

[Josh]

And people wonder why no one can be "OP" anymore... I think the members themselves limit what can and cannot happen more than the RP Moderators by complaining about it. Once I start RPing a little more, I plan to have fun; not get "technical" and ask the limits be set on something that really isn't an issue

Just my thoughts anyway... I just don't want to see another thread 3 months down the road asking why swift release is such a pain in the ass to get when it's supposedly countered fairly easy.

Limit RP too much and it won't be very fun... I think the RP Mods have things pretty well under control, but as with anything, there's always room for improvement I suppose. I have no complaints/criticisms ^^

 

[Coyote]

did anyone even read this?

Genius I am :|

Guess it got ignored like the other obvious points about swift defense

Did you read the thread? Seems like you haven't grasped the point.

I wasn't mocking your thread Drizster. I get your point I was just saying for people who were wondering how to defend against it...

Such as this way...

They swift..
You do a 360 round house kick...
Win..

 

[System001]

I agree 100% with drizzy O__O Swift needs to get restricted more, or toned down.

 

[-Yard-]

I agree 100% with drizzy O__O Swift needs to get restricted more, or toned down.

Obviously you read none of the threads posts.

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

They swift..
You Nagashi..
Win..

That's how fun is washed out of the RP.

If someone just appears behind you suddenly. You would not have the proper reaction time to notice he is there, then channel your chakra throughout your body.

Unless he somehow shouts to you to turn around.

Nagashi is overused U_U