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[Ultimatevirus]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

tobi is no one... cant you all understand kishi does not want to reveal tobi's identity ... he is giving such clues... he want to create an enemy with no past

 

[0moi]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Have you guys noticed how Zetsu looks like a miniature Juubi? The venus flytrap bud around the upper part of his/her body look like the Juubi's 10 tails, also Zetsu's body is BLK&WHT like the yinyang element Omnyouton used by SO6P, the 10 tails jinchuuriki hmmmmmmmmm
Also what does Izuna have to do with Canada? This smiley uses it -> :izuna:​

 

[Legendary Broly]

Kagami's disappearance possibilities

According to the databook/narutopedia, Kagami Uchiha is presumed to have died sometime before or during the Uchiha Massacre, however to me this seems highly unlikely ! here's my reasoning why , all in spoilers so you don't seem to be reading a wall of text :

First of my reasoning

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Kagami was in tobirama senju's squad consisting of Hiruzen, Danzo, Homura Mitokado,Koharu Utatane and Torifu Akimchi during the First Shinobi War,

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According to narutopedia/data book whatever, everyone in the team was present somewhat during the 9 tails attack on the village which means that they survived the following 2 wars after the first, however the only guy that wasn't there was Kagami,

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(Danzo not in pic, but he was there)

You could say that's because he was killed during the 2 following wars which could be a possibility, but really i find this hard to believe as why would the only Uchiha in the group, trained under Tobirama Senju be the only one to die, especially because he was an Uchiha and he was trained by a Senju, I mean wouldn't that make you have a rather large range of abilities ? These abilities would probably exceed the likes of Torifu atleast, yet there he is alive and well fighting the nine tails in the above pic ??

You could say that he was unaware of the attack like the majority of the village, yet why would Hiruzen's whole team be aware of the fact other than Kagami, why would Hiruzen not alert Kagami or recruit him like he recruited the rest of his team ?

Okay so even if he was unaware of the attack, i don't imagine Kagami, an Uchiha trained under Tobirama senju would roll over and let himself be killed by Itachi, he can't have been that useless when look at what the squads members turned out to become like, Hiruzen and Danzo for example, and why would he be put in their squad if he wasn't capable of keeping up with them?

Okay so if he didn't die because of these reasons then your wondering what happened to him, well here is my top theories: (NO ORDER)

1. He did not die, he is alive which would make him one of the four
remaining Uchiha, therefore most likely TOBI

2. Danzo killed him and stole his sharingan

I have explained each possibility in spoilers so your not reading a wall of text like i said earlier

So heres my reasoning as to why he'd most likely be Tobi if he were alive:

Now it is highly speculated Kagami is Tobi here is the usual obvious comparisons:

Compare these pictures,

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Obvious signs

1. Similar hair
2. Would be the same age
3. Trained under Tobirama Senju so Tobirama could of been the inspiration for his name Tobi
4. Could of learnt the space time technique from Tobirama, or my reasoning considering they were added to the group copied the technique with his sharingan

I had my own theory on why but that was removed by the mods , but here it is summarized and differing and rather then saying he is Tobi, my theory surrounding Kagami's upbringing and what could connect him to Tobi rather, and possibly make him the same person ,

1. Kagami could of easily followed Madara's beliefs as he would of seen the fighting and wars going on seeing that the Senju had not brought peace at all therefore Madara would easily recruit him and because he was the only one who followed him despite the whole clan turning against him would trust in Kagami's loyalty therefore trust giving him the rinnegan and leaving him to follow through with the plan.

2. Another possibility is Kagami is Izuna's son, which explains why he'd follow Madara as he would not want his dad's sacrifice to be a waste and Madara would trust him because of the bond between them, Madara would also know he'd become powerful because of the bloodline

*This also explains if Kagami and Tobi were the same person, why Kagami would clench as he speaks of Izuna's loving sacrifice that ultimatley went to waste leaving him an orphan

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*Also explains why Tobi does not have EMS as Izuna would of died before providing Kagami with a sibling

*As we all know being an orphan has created many villians in the naruto universe, Kabuto and sasori for example

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3. Something else i noticed is that Kagami was not in Tobirama's original squad rather put in it for that mission, could this have been a plot by Madara to get kagami close to the hokage and become a possible successor? It is possible that the guy who put together the squad was influeneced to do so, i mean why would Tobirama have put the squad together when he was aware of Danzo and Hiruzen's rivalry that would put the mission in jeopardy

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*However it became obvious that they were trapped and if Tobirama died this did not allow enough time for him to become close with him so Kagami pointed out that someone would have to be a decoy, knowing that Hiruzen would probably volunteer hence getting rid of the most likely sucessor.

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(he looks pretty innocent, but we all know Tobi is a good actor)

* I think Tobirama was aware of this too but did not want to say it as it would cause an argument but Kagami made it public knowledge to hopefully push Hiruzen to volunteer

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*This also explains why Madara would activate the rinnegan late in life because he had relied on this plan for an Uchiha with his beliefs to become hokage and did not expect it to fail

To fill the missing explanations such as explaining zetsu goo you'll have to follow my old theory with the link

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if you cbf, comment your questions and i'll fill it in

My other possibility was Danzo killed him, here's some reasonings why:

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1. As we know Danzo had heaps of sharingan whats not to say he stole Kagami's sharingan ?

2. Danzo had MS, Kagami was in Danzo's team were they best friends? Did Danzo kill him to get it ?
* Danzo was pretty powerful and I may be wrong maybe Kagami wasn't that strong and Danzo overpowered him or like i said Danzo is pretty powerful and kagami was strong but not as strong as Danzo

3. Kagami could of tried killing Danzo to obtain his own MS and Danzo escaped killing him,
*which could explain Danzo's hatred of Uchiha and why he wouldn't trust them as he had trusted Kagami as a friend and then he turned around and tried to kill him to obtain power

Feel free to comment, vote and rate
No hateful stuff though as it hurts to be told your thoughts are stupid, feel free to disagree and argue though

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Re: Kagami's disappearance possibilities

+rep 1 even though I didn't read all of it

 

[9Bijuu]

Re: Kagami's disappearance possibilities

Honestly it doesn't matter, Tobi is Tobi for now - we should leave it at that. Tons of people have had this same theory and the same logic following it. While I appreciate you putting it together so well it's nothing new. As to Danzo killing him for his sharingan, I doubt it, he got plenty during and after the massacre to fit his uses.

 

[Legendary Broly]

Re: Kagami's disappearance possibilities

+rep 1 even though I didn't read all of it

hey thanks you made your mind up fast lol

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Re: Kagami's disappearance possibilities

I.........like.........it I always wanted kagami to be tobi +rep

 

[Legendary Broly]

Re: Kagami's disappearance possibilities

Honestly it doesn't matter, Tobi is Tobi for now - we should leave it at that. Tons of people have had this same theory and the same logic following it. While I appreciate you putting it together so well it's nothing new. As to Danzo killing him for his sharingan, I doubt it, he got plenty during and after the massacre to fit his uses.

feel free to disagree nothing new ? did you read it ??? ...

I.........like.........it I always wanted kagami to be tobi +rep

hey thanks

 

[9Bijuu]

Re: Kagami's disappearance possibilities

feel free to disagree nothing new ? did you read it ??? ...



hey thanks

Yes, I read it, there is no new information here whatsoever, in fact this thread is likely to be taken down for the same reason as all of the other Tobi threads - it's a repost, someone else had the exact same thought process you did.

Here's the real Tobi for you since you're obviously interested in the subject:

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[Guardian of the Rain]

I know what Kishi is doing

There's just no way that Tobi can be a person that's been shown in the series. I believe Kishi is always changing who Tobi is as the story progresses. People can use logic to make Tobi seem like he is one person or another and their points are usually convincing because Kishi purposely wants it to seem like Tobi is one person then BAM, Tobi will seem like he's someone else. So I believe Tobi is not going to be revealed or he's just going to be Tobi. There's just no way for Kishi to backup Tobi being Obito, Kagami or Izuna or any of those people. Who agrees?xd

 

[Shisui Namikaze]

Re: I know what Kishi is doing

Tobi is izuna. End of story

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: I know what Kishi is doing

Nope, I think Kishi has always known who he wants Tobi to be.

 

[Legendary Broly]

Re: Kagami's disappearance possibilities

Yes, I read it, there is no new information here whatsoever, in fact this thread is likely to be taken down for the same reason as all of the other Tobi threads - it's a repost, someone else had the exact same thought process you did.

Here's the real Tobi for you since you're obviously interested in the subject:

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Why will it be taken down ? its not a tobi thread !!! its a what happened to Kagami thread !
well its the first i have ever heard of ... if theres others so be it ... great minds think a like lol , well i'm not going to argue with you its your opinion

 

[9Bijuu]

Re: I know what Kishi is doing

Tobi is Tobi, why are there so many Tobi threads tonight? Btw, you still haven't gotten me interested again. :/

 

[Netsui]

Re: I know what Kishi is doing

There's a lot of logical ways to explain some of the theories. And he has to reveal Tobi to us eventually. Tobi might end up being the main villain, so the main villain will have to have flash backs... And actually be revealed. I don't think he's just Tobi... otherwise it would just be less interesting. :/

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Re: I know what Kishi is doing

I know that Kishi is changing Tobi throughout the story because people are figuring out who he is or was

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Re: I know what Kishi is doing

Tobi is Tobi, why are there so many Tobi threads tonight? Btw, you still haven't gotten me interested again. :/

Lol I'm tired and bored dude. I'm gased out of interesting things for today, I promise there's more to come

 

[9Bijuu]

Re: Kagami's disappearance possibilities

Why will it be taken down ? its not a tobi thread !!! its a what happened to Kagami thread !

It revolves around Tobi, there's very little other than Tobi in here and the Danzo theory was in another thread I've seen. I'm sorry but it's not original in any way and as for what happened to Kagami, why is it so hard for people to believe he could've died?

 

[Mante]

Re: Kagami's disappearance possibilities

*cough*
my theory U_U :

• Tobi is not an Uchiha - because his sharingan is always activated like Kakashi's replaced eye.. So Tobi's eyes are replaced with Sharingan, he don't have own it. :scorps:
• Tobi is not an Uzumaki - u know that, he needs a red hair ^___^

 

[Legendary Broly]

Re: I know what Kishi is doing

haha hey who knows he can make him whoever he wants , ? lol