Prime Itachi vs Prime Orochimaru (Read restrictions, on both)

[Amaterasuice]

What? where does it say Oro was trying to give Itachi curse mark?

That first fight oro got owned. Itachi didnt even have to point his finger to put him under a genjutsu. There is not really any excuse for that first fight, oro just ran away after he got his arm cut off, deciding to go for the easier target (sasuke)

They are basically equal in this vs thread yes, but without your restrictions of the legendary weapons and edo tensei, Itachi is on another level to oro

Orochimaru, like he did with all his potential bodies, wanted them to come to him. SO he wanted to give him the curse mark.

Either that or try and take his body right then. Which he would have to capture him (to take his body).

Also, if you noticed in that fight.....Orochimaru wasn't in his prime or trying to kill him. He was forty-something. These are the years where you start getting weaker.

And I'd like to say this, Orochimaru wasn't full power......and is one of the villains who hasn't died yet.

 

[Amaterasuice]

How do you know that it probably just puts to much strain on the users body.

It says that.

 

[Finn]

Orochimaru, like he did with all his potential bodies, wanted them to come to him. SO he wanted to give him the curse mark.

Either that or try and take his body right then. Which he would have to capture him (to take his body).

Also, if you noticed in that fight.....Orochimaru wasn't in his prime or trying to kill him. He was forty-something. These are the years where you start getting weaker.

And I'd like to say this, Orochimaru wasn't full power......and is one of the villains who hasn't died yet.

Ok first of all, if you get a curse mark, it doesnt automatically make you want to go to orochimaru. Its used as a lure, like a promise of more power if you seek orochimaru out. I highly doubt itachi would have been swayed by the promise of more power as he was already strong enough.

IMO orochimaru was trying to take him by surprise and poison him, so he could take itachi's body without much resistance.

I do respect the fact that obviously oro wasnt trying to kill him, but it doesnt really make a difference he still got defeated no matter his objective.

And I dont know where you get this idea of oro not being in his prime at that stage, where does it state that he was sick/old or injured at that point?

 

[Amaterasuice]

Ok first of all, if you get a curse mark, it doesnt automatically make you want to go to orochimaru. Its used as a lure, like a promise of more power if you seek orochimaru out. I highly doubt itachi would have been swayed by the promise of more power as he was already strong enough.

IMO orochimaru was trying to take him by surprise and poison him, so he could take itachi's body without much resistance.

I do respect the fact that obviously oro wasnt trying to kill him, but it doesnt really make a difference he still got defeated no matter his objective.

And I dont know where you get this idea of oro not being in his prime at that stage, where does it state that he was sick/old or injured at that point?

To be able to use his jutsu to take bodies for immortaility, he has to take weaker, wimpier bodies do that. So by that time he isn't in his original strong body. Also, being 20-35 is the prime years usually. That's why.

 

[Finn]

To be able to use his jutsu to take bodies for immortaility, he has to take weaker, wimpier bodies do that. So by that time he isn't in his original strong body. Also, being 20-35 is the prime years usually. That's why.

So you are saying itachi was in his prime, but he was like 13?

you are basically contradicting yourself here

 

[Amaterasuice]

So you are saying itachi was in his prime, but he was like 13?

you are basically contradicting yourself here

He stopped training around that age. He wasn't blind, had his ms. I'm not contradicting myself. He wasn't blind.

 

[Necron]

Itachi... U_U

 

[Red Slayer]

Idk Oro has chance but Itachi is very strong I really Don't know.

 

[Ryuu..]

Itachi would win IMO.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Itachi would win IMO.

Most people think so also. Oh well, we never really saw Orochimaru at his full power.

By the way, Guren is my favorite non-canon character. I always pair her with Kimimaro.

 

[ItachIGOD22]

ITACHI...........2 second victory +

AMATERASU>>>>>>OROCHIMARU even he shed his skin

but can he shed it 5 or 10 times???

 

[Amaterasuice]

ITACHI...........2 second victory +

AMATERASU>>>>>>OROCHIMARU even he shed his skin

but can he shed it 5 or 10 times???

1. The first time they fought, Orochimaru underestimated him and was trying to capture him, not kill him.

2. Time, he was in an even weaker state than Itachi.

3. No Oro can't survive 10 times of Amaterasu. However, he has a more likely chance of surviving 5 times than Itachi does of using it 10 times.

4. Oro could survive five times of it.

 

[Futton]

Who would win?

If you go be stats, Itachi barely>Orochimaru. But that's when they are past their prime.

If you look on Itachi's side, when he was sick, his stamina was 2.5, is speed was 5, and his strength was only 3.5. So if it's his prime, his stats are really:

Ninjutsu: 5
Taijutsu: 4.5
Genjutsu: 5
Iq: 5
Strength: 4
Speed: 5
Stamina: 3
Hand seals: 5
Total: 36.5

Now Orochimaru was also sick at the time he fought Sasuke and when he was sealed by Itachi (Because being sealed in a boy isn't going to help his health....Itachi sealed a low jonin level/high chunin level Orochimaru at the moment....not really that impressive)

His stats when he was not in his prime/sick was also weaker.
His strength was 3.5, speed was 4.5, and stamina was 3.5.

But in his prime:

Ninjutsu: 5
Taijutsu: 3.5
Genjutsu: 5
Iq: 5
Strength: 4
Speed: 5
Stamina: 4
Hand seals: 5
Total: 36.5

So their prime stats are equal. Now, for the restrections.

Itachi:
No totsuka blade or yata mirror: OVERKILL
Information: Knows about Orochimaru's oral rebirth/summning snakes.
Intent: kill

Orochimaru:
No edo tensei: bigger overkill then the weapons.
Information: Itachi's Tsukyomi/genjutsu
Intent: Kill

Battlefield: Cave with very little light. Then beside a ruined Cave when it goes susannoo vs hydra technique.

Final attacks: Orochimaru's Hydra vs Itachi's no weapons Susannoo.

Who do you think would win? I honestly think Orochimaru would take this with extreme difficulties.

Reason:
Itachi's only known weakness in his prime was obviously his average level stamina. Orochimaru's stamina wasn't that great, however found techniques around it. So when They use their ultimate techniques, Orochimaru will slowly start losing......until Itachi falls from exhaustion. Then Orochimaru should be able to finish it.

Thread is useless, Itachi bitched Oro when they were in Akatsuki as partners and he tried to take Itachi's sharingan. That's why he went after Sasuke before he mastered his sharingan. Even Sasuke stated to Naruto and group that Him nor Oro was strong enough to take Itachi by themselves but together maybe they could

 

[Rariatto]

Itachi win this..

 

[Amaterasuice]

Thread is useless, Itachi bitched Oro when they were in Akatsuki as partners and he tried to take Itachi's sharingan. That's why he went after Sasuke before he mastered his sharingan. Even Sasuke stated to Naruto and group that Him nor Oro was strong enough to take Itachi by themselves but together maybe they could

1. Itachi was in his prime, had ms, and wasn't blind at the time. Oro however was what, 44? Plus he was trying to capture him, not kill him. It annoys me that Itachi fans always say Itachi was at a disadvantage and never mention Oro was also.

2. No, he went after Sasuke because he can't take Itachi's body due to having to capture him in a weakened state.

3. This is the same kid who thought that Itachi was a bad guy and killed the Uchiha clan alone. Can you really take Sasuke's word?

 

[Dantee]

1. Itachi was in his prime, had ms, and wasn't blind at the time. Oro however was what, 44? Plus he was trying to capture him, not kill him. It annoys me that Itachi fans always say Itachi was at a disadvantage and never mention Oro was also.

2. No, he went after Sasuke because he can't take Itachi's body due to having to capture him in a weakened state.

3. This is the same kid who thought that Itachi was a bad guy and killed the Uchiha clan alone. Can you really take Sasuke's word?

1st point- Oro was capable of killing the 3rd kazekage and the 3rd hokage not once mentioning sickness and this after the Itachi incident.

2nd point - Oro was in no way able capable of capturing Itachi and he admitted inferiority.

3rd point- Just show your inability to follow manga evidence. Anything that objects your theory is obviously a lie or bluff by kishi. :flaw::flaw:Sasuke already knew even Itachi wasn't capable of taking on the entire police force by himself. Hence why he asked Itachi.

 

[BONTUL]

Itachi still... and I don't even like Itachi.:shrug:

 

[blazekev90]

Hmmmm with these conditions tbh it could go either way. They both have countered for each others techniques. Right I'll call draw, until I think of a definite win from either party.

 

[MorphyRulez]

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So what was that?

 

[Blaze Release]

What do you mean by if you go by stats itachi > oro barely?.
You argument is piss poor. The max a character can get in the stats overall is 45 meaning even the strongest characters like edo madara would get around 39 or if lucky 40. Oro has 35, but that doesnt mean edo madara > oro barely.

Secondly the max is capped at 5, meaning ninja's that excel at something might have the same stat as another ninja who also excels at the same thing but isnt as good. Example oro, itachi and kurenai all have 5/5 for genjutsu, yet itachi schooled both in this field.

Kisame was said to have the highest chakra in akatsuki and he has a 5/5, yet sasori and hidan also have a 5/5 for stamina.

Even with the restrictions youve made itachi still wipes the floor with the snake. The yata mirror and totsuka sword isnt needed and if i remember correctly during their first meeting ms techniques was non existent when itachi came out the victor.

You speak of prime itachi vs prime oro, but you see that makes things even worse for oro. Itachi at 12 put oro who was in his prime in his place. The second meeting, oro was ill, but itachi was far worse and not only had one foot in the grave but has also used up majority of his chakra against sasuke and look what happened.

Allow me to put it this way for you;
12 year old itachi > prime oro
Sick/half dead itachi > sick oro
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