Danzo was supposed to be the Third Hokage.

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Okay, I'm going to risk instant death and put forth a little theory of mine, see title.
A: Let us first assume that the Second Hokage was going to choose the next Hokage out of the two teams he directed.

B: I could eliminate the other four one by one, but lets go to Sarutobi and Danzo.
Imagine that you're the Second Hokage, there's a war on, with life-and-death decisions to be made every day and subterfuge to watch for at every turn. Both of the boys have their own flaws, but which would cause the least harm in the situation the village is in? The overly serious, slightly fanatical about protecting the village, suspicious one? Or the slightly arrogant nice guy who tends to overlook things and lean towards pacifism?
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During a war? Danzo, with all his flaws, all the way. Plus, he was the 2nd's student; the Second was probably planning to stay in office longer to train the kid and work through some of his problems, after which he would be excellent Hokage material.
So why was Saru chosen and not Danzo?
Why did the Second Hokage sacrifice himself?
Yep, it's a pertinent question.

Item A! As Danzo pointed out, the Second was the greatest ninja in the village, the Leaf's leader. Letting himself die would demoralize the whole place and cause a lot of damage. He would have known that. Also, to have him not even consider the option of ambushing the enemy? He was the most powerful shinobi in Leaf and had six madly talented young shinobi with him.
Item B! He doesn't address Danzo's concern about that matter. Instead, he cuts him off curtly with a reminder not to fight Sarutobi. He then proceeds to ignore the rest of them to give a little speech to Saru and then runs off. Odd behavior...

Item C! Hashirama and Tobirama both died young. Mystery surrounds Hashirama's death: how could a man that powerful have died in battle? The more logical explanation would be that he was murdered. He and his brother were both the kind of leader that tends to get murdered.
Item D! How could that have been accomplished? That kind of mind manipulation can be wielded by Yamanakas or... Uchihas.
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Yep. I think Kagami Uchiha did it in the forest clearing with a doujutsu.
Why? Either on his own behalf, or his clan's, or he was hired by a foreign power. There are several possibilities. And as to what could be gained by Saru becoming Hokage? That's obvious. It drastically weakened Konoha's strength during wartime, slowing every movement. It made it possible for all sorts of dirty business to be carried out without anyone noticing.
The only reason that Konoha survived, and not only survived but came out on top as the most prosperous village of the five, was Danzo. He decided to take matters into his own hands, build up his own task force (Root) and act as Hokage in many things.
Sarutobi's leadership and the way he handles threats is terrible. When they KNEW Orochimaru was hanging around the village during the chunnin exams basically saying 'yeah, I want you to do this and this and would somebody bring me a soft-boiled egg while you're at it?' his response was 'Ummm... maybe he's being hired by some other country... I think I'll divert all our forces there... no, we're not going to warn anybody he's here... and Aoba, could you take him that egg?'
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My theory on what Danzo did during Orochimaru's attack (because I do NOT think he was allied with him) probably should wait for another post.
Opinions on theory please? Beyond 'you suck and that's stupid'?:pwease:
 
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Welcome to the Base

But next time try to avoid writing in a huge wall of text, break it up or try to summarize :).
 

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Hmm you have a point
 

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He lost to Hiruzen. 3rd Hokage had courage but Danzo was too scared. He only wanted to have more power but didn't know how to utilize them.
1st/2nd Hokage trusted Hiruzen more than Danzo(whose ideals always remained twisted).

1. Danzo let the village be destroyed:
a. When Orochimaru attacked the village
b. When Pain attacked, he even delayed Naruto's arrival which could at least have lessen the disaster that happened their.

2. Danzo plotted with other village in order to gain the Hokage position many times. But always failed...

3. Orochimaru was Danzo's subordinate. So Oro going rogue is partly his fault.

4. Danzo spread hatred:
a. Nagato
b. Kabuto....

5. He didn't believe in his own power and that of his subordinates:
a. He cultivated hashirama's cell.
b. He stole Uchiha's eyes: + Shisui's.
c. His real power(??????????)

6. He was one of the elders who began distrusting Uchihas and keeping them under surveillance. If they had listened to the voice of 3rd Hokage, Uchiha clan would still have existed. Sasuke and Itachi would have, along with Naruto led village to prosperity and peace...

He didn't deserve to be Hokage. He was too clouded and selfish, though he LOVED HIS VILLAGE.

The will of fire was what he was lacking.
 
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Well I actually read it. Personally I think there is a whole lot of reaching and speculation. We have no proof of any of this at all. Just because Kagami looks like Shisu doesn't mean he has his powers. And if he used a lesser genjutsu I think Tobirama would have been able to counter it. I mean he did fight the Uchiha for years before the Leaf was built.

I think that Tobirama's death was a lot of plot no jutsu. And I also think that Hiruzen was the better pick for Third.
 

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and imo tobirama always had an idea who he was going to make hokage.. he was just during a test to see if his choice was right..... the hokage needs to be summon willing to die and put their life on the line for their village..danzo was not that person.. though he would protect the village at no matter what cost... he didn't value each person of konoha.. ninja or non ninja..i disagree overall
 

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tobirama choose hurizen as hokage plain and simple. and danzou got hiruzen killed by letting orochimaru into the village and scheming plan with him. and what type of hokage would that be
 

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:eek: This is the best sit I have read all day, but you can't say that Danzo didn't make mistakes he worked with oro who later came back to attack the village. Unless you also think that danzo was working with oro to get rid of the 3rd ? which is a thought that came to my head one day
 

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and imo tobirama always had an idea who he was going to make hokage.. he was just during a test to see if his choice was right..... the hokage needs to be summon willing to die and put their life on the line for their village..danzo was not that person.. though he would protect the village at no matter what cost... he didn't value each person of konoha.. ninja or non ninja..i disagree overall

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:eek: This is the best sit I have read all day, but you can't say that Danzo didn't make mistakes he worked with oro who later came back to attack the village. Unless you also think that danzo was working with oro to get rid of the 3rd ? which is a thought that came to my head one day

First off, THANK YOU FOR READING and not just saying it's too long.
I'm not saying Danzo was perfect (although if Jiraiya qualifies to be called perfect...), and I'm not putting forth the theory as an absolute truth. It's a fun theory my sis and I were using for our AU and I wanted to get reactions to it.
Yes, he worked with Orochimaru in order to get the Sharingan implanted. However, it's obvious by the way things worked out that they must have fallen out of alliance by the time Oro attacked Konoha - my guess would be that Danzo attempted to have him assassinated.
All I'm saying in contrasting him and Hiruzen was that Hiruzen had trouble making important decisions (dithering over whether or not to train medics for the squads during war, not doing anything when Orochimaru was around) and was rather a pacifist. Both these things would be deadly during a war. Saru might have been a good choice for a peace time leader, but since they were literally in the middle of a war Danzo was the better choice. Not the absolute best, just better than Hiruzen!
 

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Danzo was not trained by tobirama and he would have picked anyone there he just choose the one willing to die
 

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Hiruzen had the will of fire whereas this wasn't clear with Danzo. This made Hiruzen the stand out choice in Tobirama's eyes. Hiruzen was a good leader, I don't know why so many people think otherwise. He lead Konoha through one of it's most prosperous periods, prevented a civil war, and ended up dying to save the village. Sure he made a mistake with Orochimaru but the same can be said with countless other shinobi.
 

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This. Didn't read due to wall and the second Hokage named Hiruzen the third Hokage in front of all of the people who were honestly the most likely candidates. There was no mistake here.
 

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did not like this thread could have been more organized .... also danzo should have not been hokage point blank period... because he had something to do with the uchiha massacre not only that but flaunted thier eyes like jewelry also he had to many secrets about himself and the purpose of root meaning he was doing things he was not supposed to do all in all you can't kill innocent people and say your a hoakage.
 

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Yeah, this. I don't feel like reading a wall of text. IDK if what i'm going to say is in there, but The 2nd Hokage chose Hiruzen due to his decision-making skills, Danzo hesitated to put his life on the line for his team.
 

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First off, THANK YOU FOR READING and not just saying it's too long.
I'm not saying Danzo was perfect (although if Jiraiya qualifies to be called perfect...), and I'm not putting forth the theory as an absolute truth. It's a fun theory my sis and I were using for our AU and I wanted to get reactions to it.
Yes, he worked with Orochimaru in order to get the Sharingan implanted. However, it's obvious by the way things worked out that they must have fallen out of alliance by the time Oro attacked Konoha - my guess would be that Danzo attempted to have him assassinated.
All I'm saying in contrasting him and Hiruzen was that Hiruzen had trouble making important decisions (dithering over whether or not to train medics for the squads during war, not doing anything when Orochimaru was around) and was rather a pacifist. Both these things would be deadly during a war. Saru might have been a good choice for a peace time leader, but since they were literally in the middle of a war Danzo was the better choice. Not the absolute best, just better than Hiruzen!

Yh I agree to some extent anyway next time you make a long thread try and organize it better through short paragraphs and maybe pictures :) people hate reading walls of text
 
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