Itachi's susanoo is not invincible.

[9Bijuu]

My suggestion, and just a suggestion.


Someone should make a scenario in which they believe would break through, or effectively get around susano to land an attack. While someone who supports the invincibility of the susano tries to prove it so against another persons theory.

Basically someone should chose, and point out brief, but meaningfully efficient exploits of susano. Then have someone else chose, and briefly point out the inefficiencies. Afterwards everyone else can simply chose to agree, or disagree.

-That aside I don't actually care to see an entire RP battle take place, and I also agree with the major holes in susano's defenses(includes a full susano).

-While on the other hand the full capabilities of a full susano have yet to be shown, at this point we can only guess, and speculate on theories.

Hopefully this will cause a proper debate, and give the people recently looking into this thread a chance to catch up without being side tracked by brute idiotic ideals against reasonable logic.

Also if anyone is Pro susano being COMPLETELY invincible please do not be all making up stuff that makes absolutely no sense like "Susano can fly so it doesn't need protection underneath"(lol), or "It hasn't been done so prove it. Show pictures!". That level of ignorance has no real place in a well grafted, and wonderfully composed forum.

As much as I'll get hate for this, I think FTG is the best jutsu to simply work around susanoo's defence. I'd assume Minato's skilled enough to land some shuriken under susanoo and transport to them and I feel Onoki's high level dust release could merely disintegrate anyone hiding in susanoo but there's less evidence supporting that than I 'd like there to be.

As for RP, it'd be interesting and I don't know much of how the system works as I don't use it or look at it often so I'll try to stay off of that.

Also thanks for capturing the essence of the thread, many people haven't.

 

[Shin Zangetsu]

Thanks for the compliment but yea, it's really hard to debate under these circumstances. People are using evidence I don't support and it's really hard to keep up debates when I don't have much evidence as we've only seen so much of Itachi's susanoo or its tools.

That's perfectly okay man. The whole point of debate is to enlighten. Everyone's been wrong at some point. Evidence you don't support is still valid evidence nonetheless and should be conceded to. At least one walks away having learnt more.

This thread carries a lot of speculation, hence the flaws in my OP, but I still feel it can accomplish my main goal which was simply say that Itachi's susanoo is NOT invincible or flawless.

Tough to argue against databook in general as it's raw info instead of pictures to draw information from.

(I was seriously hoping people wouldn't argue with me too much and would get the main point of the thread, I'm bad at arguing against those who nit pick details. :/)

Hmm, alright then. If you admit that much then that's much better. I do think most get the point that it's not invincible and I'm sure at the very least 95% agree with you on the main title point, me included.

I think then that's enough for me.

 

[9Bijuu]

That's perfectly okay man. The whole point of debate is to enlighten. Everyone's been wrong at some point. Evidence you don't support is still valid evidence nonetheless and should be conceded to. At least one walks away having learnt more.



Hmm, alright then. If you admit that much then that's much better. I do think most get the point that it's not invincible and I'm sure at the very least 95% agree with you on the main title point, me included.

I think then that's enough for me.

Yea, I mentioned that I felt that even the flaws in my OP still don't take away from the point of the thread but most looked over that and kept it coming. Also, I did learn a lot - made a few edits to my op but I've been so busy with responding among some other things not-NB related atm I've had trouble getting everything edited in. Regardless, still have enjoyed this despite the fact that people with positive feed back and those who captured what I was going for haven't been in the best posting mood. ^^

 

[Baka Sennin]

great post. I've never thought about the totsuka swords weakness, it's a very good find.

also, itachi and sasuke fans generally ignore the whole blindness issue that comes with ms. which is fine for one of fights, but it's a severe enough drawback to kick someone out of the top 10 imo. I mean, Sasuke went from defeating Danzo to being practically blind and fodder in a day, and Itachi was at that stage too when he died.

 

[9Bijuu]

great post. I've never thought about the totsuka swords weakness, it's a very good find.

also, itachi and sasuke fans generally ignore the whole blindness issue that comes with ms. which is fine for one of fights, but it's a severe enough drawback to kick someone out of the top 10 imo. I mean, Sasuke went from defeating Danzo to being practically blind and fodder in a day, and Itachi was at that stage too when he died.

Yea, the MS is a giant weakness in and of itself but that's ignored for the most part. It took Sasuke two fights with MS from what I remember to render his eyes nearly useless.

 

[Ngylle]

Hmm we now that

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

right, because dust release would disintegrate something spiritual.. with no form whatsoever .. -_-


are you seriously linking madara's incomplete susanno that he has up , and comparing it to a complete one?

and no , databook says yata mirror reflects ANY attack

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Susanno changes EVERY one of its properties, allowing it to alter the ATTRIBUTES in accordance with the attributes of the attack <---- rendering it ineffective

I DO HOPE that you see the plural in that explanation, which shows susanno can defend against kekkegenkai also

Your entire thread good sir, is filled with incorrect points, flawed logic, and outright claims, You have failed to prove anything but the obvious..
It was stated in perfect english, that totsuka sword needs to pierce to person to seal them... Why you go on about that in one of your points? no idea

Because he had a reasonable explanation for it. His assumptions actually make sense and had logic behind it. He provided manga panels and backed it up.
If you had no idea about why hes explaining and don't see the point of it, then judging by your response...... you sir are bias.

Any way great thread nice explanation. + Rep:scorps:

Hmm we now that

Go learn how to spell

 

[9Bijuu]

Because he had a reasonable explanation for it. His assumptions actually make sense and had logic behind it. He provided manga panels and backed it up.
If you had no idea about why hes explaining and don't see the point of it, then judging by your response...... you sir are bias.

Any way great thread nice explanation. + Rep:scorps:



Go learn how to spell

EDIT: Misunderstood post, ignore me. ^^

 

[Blaze Release]

Meh i create threads about techniques that is filled with weaknesses therefore its only fair that somebody does the same. I havent read it yet, ive skimmed read it somewhat and read owarij reply and going by that, im certain you've made quiet a lot of mistakes.

Will read it in my onw time. What i will say though is that nothing is invincible in naruto, therefore every technique does have its down side. Question is will i agree with the weaknesses you claimed itachi's susano has?

 

[Anando]

Too many if's and but's, some of it opinion, most of it good facts which i kinda agree with but still, too many if's etc.

 

[9Bijuu]

Meh i create threads about techniques that is filled with weaknesses therefore its only fair that somebody does the same. I havent read it yet, ive skimmed read it somewhat and read owarij reply and going by that, im certain you've made quiet a lot of mistakes.

Will read it in my onw time. What i will say though is that nothing is invincible in naruto, therefore every technique does have its down side. Question is will i agree with the weaknesses you claimed itachi's susano has?

Hopefully to an extent - as I posted on your profile, it's hard arguing when all I can do is speculate against the manga. Definitely not a full-proof thread but it accomplishes its main goal imo, I just wanted to discredit those that say Itachi's susanoo is invincible and a guaranteed win.

 

[phantomlord22]

man you have an eye for things
good job
+REP

good luck with school stuffs xd

 

[9Bijuu]

man you have an eye for things
good job
+REP

good luck with school stuffs xd

It's kicking my ass at the moment - I'm currently typing up eleven definitions of terrorism based on different U.S., police, and military codes. NB is keeping me sane, it's slowing this down but without it I'd be asleep right now.

College sucks.

Too many if's and but's, some of it opinion, most of it good facts which i kinda agree with but still, too many if's etc.

Agreed but it's tough to analyze stuff like this accurately when you only have so much info and so many situations. It would've been easier to not make this thread - I had a feeling it'd spiral out of control like this but it was worth it as I feel I proved my point.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

itachi susano'o is not invincible,

and yata mirror block everything, but there is still a way get the other way around and also there is the underground, thought idk about madara susano'o it have legs xd
while totsuka sword can only seal object with soul, it can seal a jutsu or object without soul

also, itachi and sasuke fans generally ignore the whole blindness issue that comes with ms. which is fine for one of fights, but it's a severe enough drawback to kick someone out of the top 10 imo. I mean, Sasuke went from defeating Danzo to being practically blind and fodder in a day, and Itachi was at that stage too when he died.

you just give more credit to itachi xd

 

[ghost nappa]

Just a thought about something that may be able to hit inside susanoo: poison gas.
I don't think susanoo is air tight or the user would start to suffocate.

 

[maxwills]

I don't like brownies can I have something else?

 

[9Bijuu]

I don't like brownies can I have something else?

Cake.

 

[mas129]

Didn't read it but from the comments are you suggesting that it doesn't block physical attacks like a punch or a stab (correct me if I am wrong).

But it does push Sasuke away when he attacked it with his sword. I have the pages but it is more clear in the anime.

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If this isn't what you said then you can ignore this, I just don't have the time to read an essay.

 

[9Bijuu]

Didn't read it but from the comments are you suggesting that it doesn't block physical attacks like a punch or a stab (correct me if I am wrong).

But it does push Sasuke away when he attacked it with his sword. I have the pages but it is more clear in the anime.

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If this isn't what you said then you can ignore this, I just don't have the time to read an essay.

Nope, I feel it has a physical presence as well otherwise it wouldn't be able to block taijutsu. We're on the same page and this is hardly an essay.

 

[F1N1X]

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