Tobi is a genius, why is he overlooked?

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  • Tobi's the smartest character who's currently alive.

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • He's definitely one of the smartest, but not the smartest.

    Votes: 12 63.2%
  • He's as smart as your average ninja.

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • lolhestupid

    Votes: 1 5.3%

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TobisPawn

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Whenever I see a "Who's smartest" thread or something along that line, Tobi is rarely to never included in the polls. Why's that? He's obviously one of the smartest, if not smartest, characters in the series. And here's why:

1. He manipulated Nagato and most of the Akatsuki into doing his bidding. He was pulling the strings of the entire Akatsuki, and no one (except for Nagato and Konan) was aware of it. All he had to do was sit back and relax while the Bijuus were pretty much captured and delivered straight to him.

2. He used Nagato as a tool with the Rinnegan. Tobi let Nagato do all of the dirty work and take the big hits, such as being impaled by Gedo Mazo and invading Konoha, and all he had to do was manipulate him with thoughts of peace. He apparently had a whole plan involving Nagato's Rinne Tensei, though the plan did fail.

3. He knows a lot about the past of the Shinobi world. He knows almost everything about the Sage, everything about the Uchiha, and a lot of other things. He's well versed about many techniques, making him pretty dang smart.

4. He knew exactly when to attack Konoha, and how do it. Granted that his plan eventually failed, he still achieved in bringing about the deaths of Minato and Kushina. He somehow knew when Kushina was going to give birth, and he knew exactly what to do in order to make his attack a success.

5. He's manipulated Sasuke through his story telling and manipulation. By telling him about Itachi's real past, he was able to convince Sasuke into fighting for him. And through Sasuke, he achieved Danzo's death. He also apparently has some plan with Sasuke, involving Gedo Mazo.

6. He's smart in battle. This is shown when he fought Minato, and also when he fought Danzo's bodyguards. He used his S/T techs to his advantage.

There's a good amount more about Tobi being smart, but that's all I feel like doing. And here's a quote I like to include, but I can't remember who typed it. I should have gotten his username down, -.-, but oh well:

"Madara couldn't convince one person to help him fight the 1st despite his best efforts. Tobi used the strongest ninja's alive as puppets and convinced all of the nations to wage war against one man. A true methodical badass."

Here's a list of everyone, Akatsuki or not, used by him:
Akatsuki:
Nagato - Used.
Konan - Followed Nagato.
Kakuzu - Used because he ended up capturing a Bijuu.
Hidan - Same reason as Kakuzu. And he killed off Asuma, if that even matters.
Itachi - Never had the balls to face Tobi while living; Not sure if he actually new that Tobi in Akatsuki was the "Madara" he was talking about.
Kisame - Used by Tobi. Led by hopes of peace. Captured a Bijuu.
Deidara - Captured a Bijuu, or two Bijuus. Not sure.
Sasori - Didn't contribute much to Akatsuki, wasn't really used.
Zetsu - Tobi's tool.

Here's a list of non-Akatsuki that were used by Tobi:
Yahiko - Created Akatsuki because of Tobi.
Sasuke - Almost caught a Bijuu, attacked 5 kages, killed Danzo.
Rest of Taka - Same as Sasuke pretty much.
Madara - This is a maybe. He apparently had something to do with Tobi.
Kurama - Does he even count? But he was used to bring forth Minato and Kushina's deaths.
Yagura - Completely controlled by Tobi.
Rest of the Bijuus - Do they count? Idk, but they're fighting Naruto.




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4. He knew exactly when to attack Konoha, and how do it. Granted that his plan eventually failed, he still achieved in bringing about the deaths of Minato and Kushina. He somehow knew when Kushina was going to give birth, and he knew exactly what to do in order to make his attack a success

This and pretty much everything you mentioned. He is cool as a cucumber the whole time too. He is a maniacal genius I agree but he is a super villain so

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Whenever I see a "Who's smartest" thread or something along that line, Tobi is rarely to never included in the polls. Why's that? He's obviously one of the smartest, if not smartest, characters in the series. And here's why:

1. He manipulated Nagato and most of the Akatsuki into doing his bidding. He was pulling the strings of the entire Akatsuki, and no one (except for Nagato and Konan) was aware of it. All he had to do was sit back and relax while the Bijuus were pretty much captured and delivered straight to him.

2. He used Nagato as a tool with the Rinnegan. Tobi let Nagato do all of the dirty work and take the big hits, such as being impaled by Gedo Mazo and invading Konoha, and all he had to do was manipulate him with thoughts of peace. He apparently had a whole plan involving Nagato's Rinne Tensei, though the plan did fail.

3. He knows a lot about the past of the Shinobi world. He knows almost everything about the Sage, everything about the Uchiha, and a lot of other things. He's well versed about many techniques, making him pretty dang smart.

4. He knew exactly when to attack Konoha, and how do it. Granted that his plan eventually failed, he still achieved in bringing about the deaths of Minato and Kushina. He somehow knew when Kushina was going to give birth, and he knew exactly what to do in order to make his attack a success.

5. He's manipulated Sasuke through his story telling and manipulation. By telling him about Itachi's real past, he was able to convince Sasuke into fighting for him. And through Sasuke, he achieved Danzo's death. He also apparently has some plan with Sasuke, involving Gedo Mazo.

6. He's smart in battle. This is shown when he fought Minato, and also when he fought Danzo's bodyguards. He used his S/T techs to his advantage.

There's a good amount more about Tobi being smart, but that's all I feel like doing. And here's a quote I like to include:

"Madara couldn't convince one person to help him fight the 1st despite his best efforts. Tobi used the strongest ninja's alive as puppets and convinced all of the nations to wage war against one man. A true methodical badass."

Enjoy and feel free to discuss below.

wrong..kisame knew everything. he couldnt fool kisame or oro.
 

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i'd say itachi is smarter than tobi is. just think of all of itachi's precautions before and even after dying. both are geniuses in their own ways. and then theres shikamaru and kakashi who are strategist type geniuses.
 

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i'd say itachi is smarter than tobi is. just think of all of itachi's precautions before and even after dying. both are geniuses in their own ways. and then theres shikamaru and kakashi who are strategist type geniuses.

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wrong..kisame knew everything. he couldnt fool kisame or oro.

Because Tobi told Kisame everything? And actually, Tobi still manipulated Kisame quite easily with the idea of a perfect world.


As for Orochimaru, which one of the two is currently alive right now? Tobi or Orochimaru?


i'd say itachi is smarter than tobi is. just think of all of itachi's precautions before and even after dying. both are geniuses in their own ways. and then theres shikamaru and kakashi who are strategist type geniuses.

Itachi's only precaution was the Amaterasu on Tobi, and it failed. He also had that KA precaution in Naruto, but it was used on him, and therefore also failed. Almost none of Tobi's plans have failed.

I'd say Tobi's smarter than Itachi.

As for Kakashi, I'd say Tobi's smarter due to Kakashi having almost no knowledge on his techniques (no one does).

As for Shikamaru, I say Tobi because he's been alive way longer.
 
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*Attempting to take over the whole shinobi world with some fodder Zetsu clones and 7 bijuus*

I don't think so
 

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No one is over looking him.
We see atleast 10+ tobi threads per day:shrug:
 

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Smart enough to lose two arms, one eye, and nearly his life four times. Tobi's over-rated, that's just how I feel.
 

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*Attempting to take over the whole shinobi world with some fodder Zetsu clones and 7 bijuus*

I don't think so

-__- We have no idea what Tobi had/has in store still.


No one is over looking him.
We see atleast 10+ tobi threads per day:shrug:

None are about his intelligence, though. :/


Smart enough to lose two arms, one eye, and nearly his life four times. Tobi's over-rated, that's just how I feel.

The reasons I stated above make up for his overconfidence IMO.

And four times? He wasn't even near death from the Amaterasu and Danzo's bodyguards. Unless you're talking about other incidents.
 

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Because Tobi told Kisame everything? And actually, Tobi still manipulated Kisame quite easily with the idea of a perfect world.


As for Orochimaru, which one of the two is currently alive right now? Tobi or Orochimaru?




Itachi's only precaution was the Amaterasu on Tobi, and it failed. He also had that KA precaution in Naruto, but it was used on him, and therefore also failed. Almost none of Tobi's plans have failed.

I'd say Tobi's smarter than Itachi.

As for Kakashi, I'd say Tobi's smarter due to Kakashi having almost no knowledge on his techniques (no one does).

As for Shikamaru, I say Tobi because he's been alive way longer.

Tobi only has one plan, the eye of the moon plan, and due to plot no jutsu it will fail. Itachi may have failed with Sasuke but his legacy has been a serious boon to Naruto - if it weren't for the crow that released Itachi from edo-tensei Naruto and Bee would've been captured by Nagato in all likelihood and the series would've been over.
 

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He is very smart but not the smartest
 

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Tobi only has one plan, the eye of the moon plan, and due to plot no jutsu it will fail. Itachi may have failed with Sasuke but his legacy has been a serious boon to Naruto - if it weren't for the crow that released Itachi from edo-tensei Naruto and Bee would've been captured by Nagato in all likelihood and the series would've been over.

That's true.

But plot no jutsu aside, Tobi's actions throughout the series put him out to be extremely smart. He manipulated S+ rank ninjas through the shadows, and more.
 

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-__- We have no idea what Tobi had/has in store still.




None are about his intelligence, though. :/




The reasons I stated above make up for his overconfidence IMO.

And four times? He wasn't even near death from the Amaterasu and Danzo's bodyguards. Unless you're talking about other incidents.

Over-confidence fights against intelligence, it makes him lose, and that's why he'll lose in the end. Look at Minato - while I'm not fanboying the guy has never been hit and is a true genius because he doesn't let his skill get to his head and leave himself vulnerable. True geniuses are like Itachi and Minato - those who know exactly how to fight and are more cautious in their fighting styles.
 

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Over-confidence fights against intelligence, it makes him lose, and that's why he'll lose in the end. Look at Minato - while I'm not fanboying the guy has never been hit and is a true genius because he doesn't let his skill get to his head and leave himself vulnerable. True geniuses are like Itachi and Minato - those who know exactly how to fight and are more cautious in their fighting styles.

That's true too. I wont disagree with your points on Itachi and Minato. And I wont disagree with Tobi being overconfident.

But Tobi's intelligence aside from just battles has to be considered also.
 

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That's true.

But plot no jutsu aside, Tobi's actions throughout the series put him out to be extremely smart. He manipulated S+ rank ninjas through the shadows, and more.

He didn't really manipulate them, they all wanted to see peace through Nagato's weapon and Kisame wanted to see the true goal - a world of peace via genjutsu, although there was Kakuzu who just LOVED the money he was getting out of the organization. Tobi's not that great. :/
 

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He didn't really manipulate them, they all wanted to see peace through Nagato's weapon and Kisame wanted to see the true goal - a world of peace via genjutsu, although there was Kakuzu who just LOVED the money he was getting out of the organization. Tobi's not that great. :/

I don't think most of Akatsuki cared about the whole peace thing. They joined for their own purposes, but in the end were used by Tobi to gather the bijuus.

Nagato - Used.
Konan - Followed Nagato.
Kakuzu - Used because he ended up capturing a Bijuu.
Hidan - Same reason as Kakuzu. And he killed off Asuma, if that even matters.
Itachi - Never had the balls to face Tobi while living; Not sure if he actually new that Tobi in Akatsuki was the "Madara" he was talking about.
Kisame - Used by Tobi. Led by hopes of peace. Captured a Bijuu.
Deidara - Captured a Bijuu, or two Bijuus. Not sure.
Sasori - Didn't contribute much to Akatsuki, wasn't really used.
Zetsu - Tobi's tool.


Here's a list of non-Akatsuki that were used by Tobi:
Yahiko - Created Akatsuki because of Tobi.
Sasuke - Almost caught a Bijuu, attacked 5 kages, killed Danzo.
Rest of Taka - Same as Sasuke pretty much.
Madara - This is a maybe. He apparently had something to do with Tobi.
Kurama - Does he even count? But he was used to bring forth Minato and Kushina's deaths.
Yagura - Completely controlled by Tobi.
Rest of the Bijuus - Do they count? Idk, but they're fighting Naruto.
 
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He's smart, but Lord Sasuke is smarter, IMO. :shrug:
 

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Over-confidence fights against intelligence, it makes him lose, and that's why he'll lose in the end. Look at Minato - while I'm not fanboying the guy has never been hit and is a true genius because he doesn't let his skill get to his head and leave himself vulnerable. True geniuses are like Itachi and Minato - those who know exactly how to fight and are more cautious in their fighting styles.

In the new movie kishis making tobi wins right? (maybe) so what does that tell you? :D
 
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