Itachi's susanoo is not invincible.

[TobisPawn]

Nice thread.

 

[9Bijuu]

Tsunade broke it with taijutsu, Mei with ninjutsu, raikage with his special nintaijutsu. While these are not full powered susanoo which may not be possible to break, or at least with such ease,

big flaw in that part highlighted ... Broken with such ease ????
These are the strongest techniques from four of the strongest alliance ninja and they broke incomplete susanoos.

I don't see how they can make their strongest techs more powerful to be able to crack a v3 susanoo... Especially a and onooki who's was a combined attack.

The susanoo in those pictures were decimated or dealt with fairly easily. If you took Tsunade's kick and applied it to a full power susanoo - who says it can't break it? We've never seen a full powered susanoo take a powerful attack so we can't say much about it.

Also, Mei's melting technique would most likely carry over - Susanoo may get more dense but I have trouble seeing it magically become more heat proof. Also keep in mind that I said it may not be breakable, or at least implied it - hence why I mentioned the no-bottom flaw of susanoo.


EDIT: I'd also guarantee that dust release will destroy any part of susanoo that the yata mirror doesn't protect assuming that it can even protect from more than one elemental release at one time. It breaks things down and destroys them, no defence in the Naruto verse can stop that.

 

[Owarij]

As I said, I know that we have no pics of a broken complete susanoo because no complete susanoo has been shown under attack by anything highly powerful and assuming it's not possible it has the missing-bottom flaw I spoke of.

Also, panel stating totsuka / yata are spiritual. Yata can only block two forms of elemental jutsu if it's spiritual and it's been stated to block all five and totsuka wouldn't be able to SLICE the snakes' heads off or seal anyone if it wasn't a physical form of some sort. You're not doing a good job at convincing me.

sigh, he's trying to find common sense in a supernatural manga, where fire comes out eye balls

where do you see that yata can only block two forms? stop making stuff up

It says it will alter according to the atributes
that's plain plural, there is no say of Two , it can be 3, 4, 5 any amount ...

Fact is , both manga and databook say that the two weapons have NO physical form

that's the end of that debate, once kishi's direct words correlate's zetsu's .. If there is no phyiscal form, there is nothing to disintegrate is there?

It's like disintegrating a soul, or disintegrating the death god from the dgs jutsu .... impossible..

how spiritual weapons work? we'll never know untill kishi explains it to us, but untill then, you can't break a spiritual item

 

[9Bijuu]

Nice thread.

Thanks - as I expected though most people with a Sharingan in their avatar are taking this thread the wrong way and trying to argue invincibility. :/

sigh, he's trying to find common sense in a supernatural manga, where fire comes out eye balls

where do you see that yata can only block two forms? stop making stuff up

It says it will alter according to the atributes
that's plain plural, there is no say of Two , it can be 3, 4, 5 any amount ...

Fact is , both manga and databook say that the two weapons have NO physical form

that's the end of that debate, once kishi's direct words correlate's zetsu's .. If there is no phyiscal form, there is nothing to disintegrate is there?

It's like disintegrating a soul, or disintegrating the death god from the dgs jutsu .... impossible..

how spiritual weapons work? we'll never know untill kishi explains it to us, but untill then, you can't break a spiritual item

As much as I hate arguing with people that don't have basic logic I'll try to explain this to you.

1. I said it can only block two forms because you insist it's spiritual so it can only block non-physical attacks - lightning / fire jutsu. Earth, water, and air are all physical styles if they were used on a spiritual object regardless of the objects nature they would pass through.

2. They're both not weapons first off and second they can't be spiritual. They may be ethereal but that's different, if they were spiritual their effect on anything PHYSICAL would be zero. Totsuka couldn't slice things, yata couldn't block things made of physical material.

3. The death god is spiritual and impervious to physical attacks but you contradicted yourself horribly here. The death god can not hurt people physically. It attacks their souls and devours them, it has no physical impact until parts of the soul have been removed.


You're not making sense anymore, spiritual can't affect physical and vice versa. Links to both articles of Kishi's statements and manga chapters where this stuff is relevant or I'll consider your posts reposted spam from this point on and ignore them as you just keep saying the same thing over and over again and making it make less sense each time.

 

[LEAU92]

Also, it's not totally spiritual and nor is susanoo. It's physical chakra, it can be destroyed just like anything else physical. Itachi wouldn't have been able to pick up a spiritual item, that is non-physical, and implant it into his susanoo - same applies to totsuka. Earth is a physical elemental type as are water and air yet the shield is said to work against them, keep that in mind.

Actually you might wanna edit that part again coz susanoo is a spiritual form. Susanoo is an 'etheral' summon, meaning its 'spiritual'. Most jutsu's used by the mangekyo sharingan come from yin release chakra, which is based on spiritual energy (spoils left behind from the uchiha ancestor who inherited the sages spiritual energy).

 

[Owarij]

As much as I hate arguing with people that don't have basic logic I'll try to explain this to you.

1. I said it can only block two forms because you insist it's spiritual so it can only block non-physical attacks - lightning / fire jutsu. Earth, water, and air are all physical styles if they were used on a spiritual object regardless of the objects nature they would pass through.

2. They're both not weapons first off and second they can't be spiritual. They may be ethereal but that's different, if they were spiritual their effect on anything PHYSICAL would be zero. Totsuka couldn't slice things, yata couldn't block things made of physical material.

3. The death god is spiritual and impervious to physical attacks but you contradicted yourself horribly here. The death god can not hurt people physically. It attacks their souls and devours them, it has no physical impact until parts of the soul have been removed.


You're not making sense anymore, spiritual can't affect physical and vice versa. Links to both articles of Kishi's statements and manga chapters where this stuff is relevant or I'll consider your posts reposted spam from this point on and ignore them as you just keep saying the same thing over and over again and making it make less sense each time.

I Stopped reading at it doesn't block phsical attacks t.t
Sasuke's jabbed a katana right at it, and it got repelled


and sigh

you do realize everything you say is your own assumption? You have no idea how spirtual items work

there are only two in the manga, and so far they have been stated by kishi, himself, to have no physical form..

the items seem to be able to make contact with other physical objects, and block other physical objects, but cannot be broken or destroyed, due to having NO true form

You aren't arguing with me, you're going against KISHI'S word, that the object is spiritual, and calling it something totally different

 

[9Bijuu]

Actually you might wanna edit that part again coz susanoo is a spiritual form. Susanoo is an 'etheral' summon, meaning its 'spiritual'. Most jutsu's used by the mangekyo sharingan come from yin release chakra, which is based on spiritual energy (spoils left behind from the uchiha ancestor who inherited the sages spiritual energy).

I consider ethereal a nice mix between physical / spiritual so I counted it as physical here just to get my point across - in other words the point that it's not solely spiritual and can be harmed physically (refering to the yata mirror but also susanoo). The only totally spiritual thing we've seen so far, imo, is the reaper death god although I could've over looked something.

 

[Typhon Uchiha]

The susanoo in those pictures were decimated or dealt with fairly easily. If you took Tsunade's kick and applied it to a full power susanoo - who says it can't break it? We've never seen a full powered susanoo take a powerful attack so we can't say much about it.

Also, Mei's melting technique would most likely carry over - Susanoo may get more dense but I have trouble seeing it magically become more heat proof. Also keep in mind that I said it may not be breakable, or at least implied it - hence why I mentioned the no-bottom flaw of susanoo.


EDIT: I'd also guarantee that dust release will destroy any part of susanoo that the yata mirror doesn't protect assuming that it can even protect from more than one elemental release at one time. It breaks things down and destroys them, no defence in the Naruto verse can stop that.

what you don't get what I'm trying to say is that definitely weren't decimated and it certainly wasn't "fairly easy",
you could consider those techniques as the ninja alliances most powerful techniques behind tbb and you consider it "fairly easy"... Nonsense.

And it is obvoiusly talk no jutsu.... Any last words before I seal you

 

[9Bijuu]

I Stopped reading at it doesn't block phsical attacks t.t
Sasuke's jabbed a katana right at it, and it got repelled


and sigh

you do realize everything you say is your own assumption? You have no idea how spirtual items work

there are only two in the manga, and so far they have been stated by kishi, himself, to have no physical form..

the items seem to be able to make contact with other physical objects, and block other physical objects, but cannot be broken or destroyed, due to having NO true form

You aren't arguing with me, you're going against KISHI'S word, that the object is spiritual, and calling it something totally different

Links or these are just your own words - what I'm using is fairly basic logic, you're just spewing whatever comes out of your mind.

 

[Owarij]

Actually you might wanna edit that part again coz susanoo is a spiritual form. Susanoo is an 'etheral' summon, meaning its 'spiritual'. Most jutsu's used by the mangekyo sharingan come from yin release chakra, which is based on spiritual energy (spoils left behind from the uchiha ancestor who inherited the sages spiritual energy).

According to the databook, Susanno is chakra , that takes the form of a warrior
it's not spiritual , or ethereal , it can be attacked with chakra, damaged with chakra, and broken

the only two spirtual items are totsuka and yata

Links or these are just your own words - what I'm using is fairly basic logic, you're just spewing whatever comes out of your mind.

T.T i already linked you the databook page showing that it's spiritual, The exact WORDS ,

"A Spirit weapon without a physical form , with the power to bla bla bla "

And at the top" Yata mirror, a shield that can repel any attack, In the face of God's powers, All attacks, whether from a material of astral body, ninjutsu or physical , lose their meaning "
I really don't know how you don't get that.

I don't know how you can see spirit weapon and think it can break -_-

 

[LEAU92]

I consider ethereal a nice mix between physical / spiritual so I counted it as physical here just to get my point across - in other words the point that it's not solely spiritual and can be harmed physically (refering to the yata mirror but also susanoo). The only totally spiritual thing we've seen so far, imo, is the reaper death god although I could've over looked something.

No thats okay, i actuall enjoyed reading this thread

I think you need to look into Yin Release to fully understand the contents of susanoo, then you'll understand why a spiritual form like susanoo can be harmed physically.

A basic definition is that Yin Release techniques are based on the users imagination to create physical forms out of nothing, thats the special trait about the mangekyo sharingan, it allows the user to utilise techniques based on their thoughts or feelings. Susanoo sasuke's case is based on his hatred or anger, using this he creates a form souly from his hatred and breathes life into it with his Yin Chakra.

 

[EonForce42]

Actually you might wanna edit that part again coz susanoo is a spiritual form. Susanoo is an 'etheral' summon, meaning its 'spiritual'. Most jutsu's used by the mangekyo sharingan come from yin release chakra, which is based on spiritual energy (spoils left behind from the uchiha ancestor who inherited the sages spiritual energy).

Yin Release! That explains it.

No thats okay, i actuall enjoyed reading this thread

I think you need to look into Yin Release to fully understand the contents of susanoo, then you'll understand why a spiritual form like susanoo can be harmed physically.

A basic definition is that Yin Release techniques are based on the users imagination to create physical forms out of nothing, thats the special trait about the mangekyo sharingan, it allows the user to utilise techniques based on their thoughts or feelings. Susanoo sasuke's case is based on his hatred or anger, using this he creates a form souly from his hatred and breathes life into it with his Yin Chakra.

I'm kinda mad I didn't figure out they were Yin Release Techs

 

[LEAU92]

According to the databook, Susanno is chakra , that takes the form of a warrior
it's not spiritual , or ethereal , it can be attacked with chakra, damaged with chakra, and broken

the only two spirtual items are totsuka and yata

I never said it wasn't chakra, every jutsu in narutoverse is based from chakra, only an idiot would say the opposite.

I said it was based from Yin Chakra which is spiritual energy, susanoo is a form based from sasuke's hatred, this fuels his susanoo and makes it stronger, the same would probably apply to anyone else who uses susanoo (maybe not all users fuel it with hatred, but with some other emotion).

 

[9Bijuu]

I'm kinda mad I didn't figure out they were Yin Release Techs

Yea same - I'll edit it in tomorrow, at the moment I'm just switching between this and a horrible assignment from my criminology course. :/

 

[LEAU92]

I'm kinda mad I didn't figure out they were Yin Release Techs

its okay man, everyone overlooks this point. Every jutsu is based on Yin and Yang, this is how it all started, the secret to every jutsu is based on these two chakras.

 

[9Bijuu]

According to the databook, Susanno is chakra , that takes the form of a warrior
it's not spiritual , or ethereal , it can be attacked with chakra, damaged with chakra, and broken

the only two spirtual items are totsuka and yata





T.T i already linked you the databook page showing that it's spiritual, The exact WORDS ,

"A Spirit weapon without a physical form , with the power to bla bla bla "

And at the top" Yata mirror, a shield that can repel any attack, In the face of God's powers, All attacks, whether from a material of astral body, ninjutsu or physical , lose their meaning "
I really don't know how you don't get that.

I don't know how you can see spirit weapon and think it can break -_-

That's not a link, that's a quote - quotes mean nothing when you don't show their source or provide access to it.

"The Yata Mirror is actually the combined ridiculousness of fanboys, it blocks jutsu to prevent Itachi fanboys from having their favorite character hurt," from Kishi. I hope you get my point now.

Also, it says it's a spiritual weapon without a physical FORM. That means it's partially physical but has no set form, think of it kind of like water - it can change its shape when necessary but is still technically physical.


EDIT: Also keep in mind the threads purpose is to show that Itachi's susanoo is not invincible. Keep in mind you're only arguing against 25% of the thread, even though I consider myself correct on this matter assuming I was actually wrong I'd still technically be accomplishing the goal of this thread which I'm fine with.

 

[Owarij]

That's not a link, that's a quote - quotes mean nothing when you don't show their source or provide access to it.

"The Yata Mirror is actually the combined ridiculousness of fanboys, it blocks jutsu to prevent Itachi fanboys from having their favorite character hurt," from Kishi. I hope you get my point now.

Also, it says it's a spiritual weapon without a physical FORM. That means it's partially physical but has no set form, think of it kind of like water - it can change its shape when necessary but is still technically physical.


EDIT: Also keep in mind the threads purpose is to show that Itachi's susanoo is not invincible. Keep in mind you're only arguing against 25% of the thread, even though I consider myself correct on this matter assuming I was actually wrong I'd still technically be accomplishing the goal of this thread which I'm fine with.

I am well aware the purpose of this thread

you think i'm saying that itachi's susanno is invincible?
lmao no good sir, far from...I can prob list a few jutsu that can get past his susannoo

Points in your op were incorrect, i'm simply letting you know

and you want the source of my pictures ? :S , Naruto databook 3 Page 275, under itachi's susanno article..

You can also find it in the naruto dictionary part

Databook 3 , 340

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Databook 3 , Page 399

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[9Bijuu]

I am well aware the purpose of this thread

you think i'm saying that itachi's susanno is invincible?
lmao no good sir, far from...I can prob list a few jutsu that can get past his susannoo

Points in your op were incorrect, i'm simply letting you know

and you want the source of my pictures ? :S , Naruto databook 3 Page 275, under itachi's susanno article..

You can also find it in the naruto dictionary part

Databook 3 , 340

You must be registered for see images

Databook 3 , Page 399

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

No where in there are they referred to as spiritual or non-physical. Yata mirror is said to have no physical form which just means that while it's technically physical it's not bound to any shape, similar to any liquid (although it's obviously not a giant water shield lol).

That really didn't get your point across to me - keep in mind I'm not trying to be rude I just want to make it clear that these objects are present in the physical world and while they most likely instantly repair themselves or reform from broken pieces they are physical and can be damaged.

EDIT: Just examined the second post carefully to make sure I was right on this and it seems I am. It says they have no physical form, not that they are not physical. There is a huge distinction, this is like comparing water, which has no physical form and molds to its container, and a ghost - which is a spirit, whether or not they're real doesn't play a part in this argument though. It's absurd to say they have no physical presence.


To be very, very clear -

If it had no physical presence, in other words it wasn't a physical object, it would have been stated as not being physical at all.

If it's described as having no physical form, it means that it simply has no true shape but changes under certain circumstances.

 

[TobisPawn]

Thanks - as I expected though most people with a Sharingan in their avatar are taking this thread the wrong way and trying to argue invincibility. :/

Even though I do now have a Sharingan in my avatar....xd


But honestly Susanoo has a lot of weaknesses, I don't get how some can't see that.

 

[9Bijuu]

Even though I do now have a Sharingan in my avatar....xd


But honestly Susanoo has a lot of weaknesses, I don't get how some can't see that.

It amazes me. People refuse to believe that everything presented in this series has some form of weakness - I can't believe I've spent like a page or so explaining what physical and spiritual mean.

I knew this would be fan boy flame bait but I posted it because I felt it was within reason, I'm a fan boy and I know I would be fine with seeing something like this (a thread showing flaws of my one of my favorite characters but not bashing it).