[Theory] Timeline of Events and Ages

[luffichinaru]

nice work dude,you need a bottle of l****ade

 

[polleteke]

something I don't get is that Fukasaku is over 800 years old(stated by narutopedia), and consideres The Sage of the 6 Paths a myth.
But if the Senju and the Uchiha (relating to Hashi and Madara) would be around the age of 100 as you stated, then there would have to be at least 7 generations between the Sage and MadaHashi's era. but then they would be watered down generations of the Son's of the Sage. This I don't understand because Hashi and Madara are the most related to the sage as one can be (leaving out the son's of the Son's ofcourse) of their generation so there shouldn't be much generations between the Sage and MadaHashi

It could be that Narutopedia is wrong ( 800 is alot don't you think?? )

I would appreciate it (if you have the time), to have a look at this.

sorry if my english is unreadible

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Great work +rep

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Nice work man! Very interesting stuff.

I would like to know A's age. Killer Bee's brother.

 

[Baka Sennin]

great job, and right for the most part i think. the only one i'm a bit unsure about is Dan, i've always felt he'd be a bit younger.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

great job, and right for the most part i think. the only one i'm a bit unsure about is Dan, i've always felt he'd be a bit younger.

Actually this age works out perfectly and would explain why Dan knew a little about the 1st.

 

[akita09]

nice work bro! +rep

 

[iSpeak]

Very nice work +rep

 

[The Dark Moon]

I stil think yo list is wrong but i dnt feel like goin ok into detail but it said everything happen 80 yrs ago

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Are you stupid? :|

In that pic, Tobi says everything happened OVER 80yrs ago. Not exactly 80yrs ago. There's a difference. Way to contradict yourself, genius. Do us all a favor and stay banned.

Anyways, great work, boshans. You've got my thanks.
Truly a pleasure to read <3

 

[p0002q]

Very nice I have my timeline in an excel sheet and who I focused on matches what you have!

And lastly, another minor\simple proof @ the 3rd war starting 17 years ago.

When Tobi was talking to Sasuke (after the sasuke vs itachi fight in the cave) and explaining why Itachi did what he did, Tobi said when Itachi was very young (too lazy to find pic, but almost positive he specifically said "by the time itachi was 4 years old, he had already experienced the tragedies of war")

either way, very nice and I agree. Use it to make theories about Tobi, that's what I did.

I still think Madara made Tobi using Izanagi and the zetsu\1st power he obtained. I think he created a version of himself and give it life\objectives... then passing onto the afterlife with plans of his Tobi creation working on Madara's plans and with Nagato to revive Madara @ a later date..., but i'll save that for another day

 

[EMS RNNG]

didn't read it all. I'm not so sure about some of the characters ages but u did a good work right here. rep + for the effort

 

[Aze]

Btw , The Elder frogs are told too be 800+ years old.

and the Toad sage even older.

that's nearly 10 times the age of Madara and Hashirama.

 

[Bigfoot34501]

I repped you for the effort and most of this theory is pretty well thought out, but I have a problem with your analysis of Shisui

First of all, Kirigakure was not involved in the Third Shinobi World War. Therefore Shisui and Ao would not have fought each other during this conflict

Also, Itachi viewed Shisui as his "older brother". Being 11 years older than someone isn't really "older brother" territory IMO. I would think that Itachi would view Shisui as his "elder" instead of an "older brother" if he was in fact that much older than him

Of course this would conflict with your timeline if Shisui was in fact younger than 24 when he died due to Shisui's MS time limit. I think that Shisui did one of two things when he fought Ao:

1. He used the eye he gave Danzo against Ao. This would explain why the 10 year time limit doesn't seem to make any sense in this situation. If he gave Danzo the eye he used against Ao, the 10 year time limit would have been eliminated because Danzo had Hashirama's DNA

2. Shisui used the eye he gave Itachi against Ao around a year before he died. This would explain why Itachi couldn't use the crow against Sasuke yet because only approximately 9 years had gone by in between Shisui's fight with Ao and Itachi giving the crow to Naruto. That would explain why Itachi needed those few extra months to be able to use KA again

With all of that being said, I think that Shisui was around the age of 18-20 when he died, and fought Ao sometime between the Kyuubi incident and the Uchiha massacre. This would be a perfect age for him to be Itachi's "older brother". Of course this is only my speculation, it also might be slightly off

 

[Aze]

I repped you for the effort and most of this theory is pretty well thought out, but I have a problem with your analysis of Shisui

First of all, Kirigakure was not involved in the Third Shinobi World War. Therefore Shisui and Ao would not have fought each other during this conflict

Also, Itachi viewed Shisui as his "older brother". Being 11 years older than someone isn't really "older brother" territory IMO. I would think that Itachi would view Shisui as his "elder" instead of an "older brother" if he was in fact that much older than him

Of course this would conflict with your timeline if Shisui was in fact younger than 24 when he died due to Shisui's MS time limit. I think that Shisui did one of two things when he fought Ao:

1. He used the eye he gave Danzo against Ao. This would explain why the 10 year time limit doesn't seem to make any sense in this situation. If he gave Danzo the eye he used against Ao, the 10 year time limit would have been eliminated because Danzo had Hashirama's DNA

2. Shisui used the eye he gave Itachi against Ao around a year before he died. This would explain why Itachi couldn't use the crow against Sasuke yet because only approximately 9 years had gone by in between Shisui's fight with Ao and Itachi giving the crow to Naruto. That would explain why Itachi needed those few extra months to be able to use KA again

With all of that being said, I think that Shisui was around the age of 18-20 when he died, and fought Ao sometime between the Kyuubi incident and the Uchiha massacre. This would be a perfect age for him to be Itachi's "older brother". Of course this is only my speculation, it also might be slightly off

Shisui was a noted Genjutsu user , KA was hes strongest move , but he had skill in normal Genjutsu that higher than Itachis TYomi level.

Shisui normal genjutsu > Itachis highest level

and Shisuis Ultimate move = plain Epic.

I bet the KA took maybe few months for Shisui too cooldown , and 10 years for other Uchiha and few hours For Danzo , since he had Hashis cells.

 

[Bigfoot34501]

Shisui was a noted Genjutsu user , KA was hes strongest move , but he had skill in normal Genjutsu that higher than Itachis TYomi level.

Shisui normal genjutsu > Itachis highest level

and Shisuis Ultimate move = plain Epic.

I bet the KA took maybe few months for Shisui too cooldown , and 10 years for other Uchiha and few hours For Danzo , since he had Hashis cells.

Oh....I wasn't contesting Shisui and his epic genjutsu's, I was just trying to argue that the OP's estimated age of Shisui might be off because Ao probably didn't fight in the Third Shinobi World War and an 11 year age difference is quite large for someone to be your surrogate "older brother". Your speculation about his gejutsu's might be true, but I was just using the 10 year limit because that's all we currently know about his MS tech's

 

[boshans]

something I don't get is that Fukasaku is over 800 years old(stated by narutopedia), and consideres The Sage of the 6 Paths a myth.
But if the Senju and the Uchiha (relating to Hashi and Madara) would be around the age of 100 as you stated, then there would have to be at least 7 generations between the Sage and MadaHashi's era. but then they would be watered down generations of the Son's of the Sage. This I don't understand because Hashi and Madara are the most related to the sage as one can be (leaving out the son's of the Son's ofcourse) of their generation so there shouldn't be much generations between the Sage and MadaHashi

It could be that Narutopedia is wrong ( 800 is alot don't you think?? )

I would appreciate it (if you have the time), to have a look at this.

sorry if my english is unreadible

Yeah I agree, but also disagree. I don't know, I am on the fence about the age of the Sage of the Six Paths. It does say Ma and Pa are 800 years old, and that the Great Elder Toad Sage is even older than that, so I think we have to assume that the So6p is even older than the Great Elder Toad Sage, or whatever his name is. I think it was actually stated in the manga itself that Pa was 800 years old, if I remember correctly during Naruto's training with him, I think he told Naruto something along the lines of he's been doing this for 800 years or something like that. The Sage himself probably lived around 1000 years ago or so. I don't think this is TO long, there would obviously be a lot of generations between the Sage and Hashirama/Senju and Madara/Uchiha, but it does say that the bloodline of the Sage became very thinned. The Senju and Uchiha's are the closest thing to the Sage as of today yes, but I think that since the Sage was so powerful, even if there was 8-10 generations between him and Hashi/Madara, that those two could still be that strong...

Also, it would make sense that that many generations have passed for another reason that I just thought of. Think about it, the Uchiha clan is the successor to the Elder Son's lineage, they inherited the Sage's eye powers. But if you look at the Uchiha clan today, it's been said that activating the Sharingan is a rare thing among the Uchihas today. Think a few generations ago, say during Madara's early years, it seems that more Uchiha's were able to activate the Sharingan. It seems they were more powerful back then, and now they are not. Same with the Senju. Hashi/Madara's generation were probably the last generation that had close enough DNA to the Sage to be that powerful, which makes sense, since ever since then the lineage has been watered down even more.

Nice work man! Very interesting stuff.

I would like to know A's age. Killer Bee's brother.

Thanks man! And actually while I was researching to write this, in my notes I used A's age and Killer Bee's age to determine Minato's age, I just didn't incorporate it into the actual theory. I remember it saying that the 3rd Raikage, A's father, was Raikage at least 30 years ago. I think this was talking about when A and the Raikage were trying to find a partner for A. This is when they brought the kids to do the Double Lariat with A, and when Killer Bee won and became B. Bee would have been 5 then so I think that happened 30 years ago, since he looks young. I think the 3rd Raikage died pretty much right before Bee learned how to control the Eight Tails, since A was saying that he can never leave the village now and that he has to master the tailed beast bomb. Since you basically need to have control over your tailed beast to use the tailed beast bomb I am assuming he trained to control the eight tails right after A's dad died. Then shortly after that they went up against Minato. Whatever, I'm going on and on here lol. I don't remember all the details but I think I calculated A to be basically around Tsunade and the other Sannin's age. It fits I think. If I remember correctly Oonoki was always saying how he used to pick on a young A, or at least I think he said that, correct me if i'm wrong. But that would fit also, since Oonoki is basically 20 years older than the Sannin, he would be able to pick on A.

Very nice I have my timeline in an excel sheet and who I focused on matches what you have!

And lastly, another minor\simple proof @ the 3rd war starting 17 years ago.

When Tobi was talking to Sasuke (after the sasuke vs itachi fight in the cave) and explaining why Itachi did what he did, Tobi said when Itachi was very young (too lazy to find pic, but almost positive he specifically said "by the time itachi was 4 years old, he had already experienced the tragedies of war")

either way, very nice and I agree. Use it to make theories about Tobi, that's what I did.

I still think Madara made Tobi using Izanagi and the zetsu\1st power he obtained. I think he created a version of himself and give it life\objectives... then passing onto the afterlife with plans of his Tobi creation working on Madara's plans and with Nagato to revive Madara @ a later date..., but i'll save that for another day

Awesome, glad that it matches, means both our theories are pretty accurate! Lol, at least I think so, but it's good someone else came up with the same data. As for the Itachi part, yea I based the 3rd war's date on that also, I just didn't write it down in the theory. It said that Itachi already say the horrors of war and was effected by it when he was either 3 or 4, don't remember exactly, but that matches up with his age now. He is 21, so if it happened 17 years ago, he would be 4, and would have seen the horrors.

And yes let's save the Tobi/Izanagi thing for another day lol

Btw , The Elder frogs are told too be 800+ years old.

and the Toad sage even older.

that's nearly 10 times the age of Madara and Hashirama.

Yea the Elder frogs are damn old. I don't remember where I read this, it might have been one of those stupid "cousin in Japan" threads, but it said somewhere that the Toad Sage knew the Sage of Six Paths. I guess that would work out, if the Toad Sage is 1000 years old I was thinking that the Sage of the Six Paths was around during that time. But I don't know. We know for sure that the Sage has to be even older than 800 years old, since Ma and Pa thought the Rinnegan was a myth when they came out to help Jiraiya during the Pain battle, and said something to Jiraiya along the lines of they thought that was a myth. Could be right, who knows.

I repped you for the effort and most of this theory is pretty well thought out, but I have a problem with your analysis of Shisui

First of all, Kirigakure was not involved in the Third Shinobi World War. Therefore Shisui and Ao would not have fought each other during this conflict

Also, Itachi viewed Shisui as his "older brother". Being 11 years older than someone isn't really "older brother" territory IMO. I would think that Itachi would view Shisui as his "elder" instead of an "older brother" if he was in fact that much older than him

Of course this would conflict with your timeline if Shisui was in fact younger than 24 when he died due to Shisui's MS time limit. I think that Shisui did one of two things when he fought Ao:

1. He used the eye he gave Danzo against Ao. This would explain why the 10 year time limit doesn't seem to make any sense in this situation. If he gave Danzo the eye he used against Ao, the 10 year time limit would have been eliminated because Danzo had Hashirama's DNA

2. Shisui used the eye he gave Itachi against Ao around a year before he died. This would explain why Itachi couldn't use the crow against Sasuke yet because only approximately 9 years had gone by in between Shisui's fight with Ao and Itachi giving the crow to Naruto. That would explain why Itachi needed those few extra months to be able to use KA again

With all of that being said, I think that Shisui was around the age of 18-20 when he died, and fought Ao sometime between the Kyuubi incident and the Uchiha massacre. This would be a perfect age for him to be Itachi's "older brother". Of course this is only my speculation, it also might be slightly off

Yeah good point, the Shisui part was mostly speculation, but I added it in anyway so other people might be able to help and maybe we can figure out exactly how old he is. I completely forgot about the Hidden Mist not being involved in the Third War. Who knows maybe it wasn't a battle that was a part of the Third War, but a skirmish or something. Maybe Ao stole a Byakugan from a dead Hyuuga that died during the Third War, and once Konoha found that out, they sent a small team to go try and retrieve it. There is some speculation that Shisui was a part of Root, so maybe Danzo sent him to go get the Byakugan back.

I agree with your points though. I mean Shisui could have used his KA closer to the time of his death, it looks like his eye can regenerate the use of his MS even outside of his body, so maybe Itachi's crow couldn't have used KA until shortly before he gave it to Naruto, and that is why he didn't use it against Sasuke himself. Although Itachi made it seem when he was talking to Naruto that he just didn't WANT to use it against Sasuke, since he wanted to try to help Sasuke another way, which was his own death. I don't know, it is very complicated. One thing is for sure though, Shisui DID die 8 years ago, so Shisui himself could NOT have used KA at least 2 years before his death, otherwise Naruto would not have been able to use it against Itachi.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

This means that Madara would have been around 56 when Nagato was born, I think we all thought madara and the 1st were much older then they actually were

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Yeah I agree, but also disagree. I don't know, I am on the fence about the age of the Sage of the Six Paths. It does say Ma and Pa are 800 years old, and that the Great Elder Toad Sage is even older than that, so I think we have to assume that the So6p is even older than the Great Elder Toad Sage, or whatever his name is. I think it was actually stated in the manga itself that Pa was 800 years old, if I remember correctly during Naruto's training with him, I think he told Naruto something along the lines of he's been doing this for 800 years or something like that. The Sage himself probably lived around 1000 years ago or so. I don't think this is TO long, there would obviously be a lot of generations between the Sage and Hashirama/Senju and Madara/Uchiha, but it does say that the bloodline of the Sage became very thinned. The Senju and Uchiha's are the closest thing to the Sage as of today yes, but I think that since the Sage was so powerful, even if there was 8-10 generations between him and Hashi/Madara, that those two could still be that strong...

Also, it would make sense that that many generations have passed for another reason that I just thought of. Think about it, the Uchiha clan is the successor to the Elder Son's lineage, they inherited the Sage's eye powers. But if you look at the Uchiha clan today, it's been said that activating the Sharingan is a rare thing among the Uchihas today. Think a few generations ago, say during Madara's early years, it seems that more Uchiha's were able to activate the Sharingan. It seems they were more powerful back then, and now they are not. Same with the Senju. Hashi/Madara's generation were probably the last generation that had close enough DNA to the Sage to be that powerful, which makes sense, since ever since then the lineage has been watered down even more.



Thanks man! And actually while I was researching to write this, in my notes I used A's age and Killer Bee's age to determine Minato's age, I just didn't incorporate it into the actual theory. I remember it saying that the 3rd Raikage, A's father, was Raikage at least 30 years ago. I think this was talking about when A and the Raikage were trying to find a partner for A. This is when they brought the kids to do the Double Lariat with A, and when Killer Bee won and became B. Bee would have been 5 then so I think that happened 30 years ago, since he looks young. I think the 3rd Raikage died pretty much right before Bee learned how to control the Eight Tails, since A was saying that he can never leave the village now and that he has to master the tailed beast bomb. Since you basically need to have control over your tailed beast to use the tailed beast bomb I am assuming he trained to control the eight tails right after A's dad died. Then shortly after that they went up against Minato. Whatever, I'm going on and on here lol. I don't remember all the details but I think I calculated A to be basically around Tsunade and the other Sannin's age. It fits I think. If I remember correctly Oonoki was always saying how he used to pick on a young A, or at least I think he said that, correct me if i'm wrong. But that would fit also, since Oonoki is basically 20 years older than the Sannin, he would be able to pick on A.



Awesome, glad that it matches, means both our theories are pretty accurate! Lol, at least I think so, but it's good someone else came up with the same data. As for the Itachi part, yea I based the 3rd war's date on that also, I just didn't write it down in the theory. It said that Itachi already say the horrors of war and was effected by it when he was either 3 or 4, don't remember exactly, but that matches up with his age now. He is 21, so if it happened 17 years ago, he would be 4, and would have seen the horrors.

And yes let's save the Tobi/Izanagi thing for another day lol



Yea the Elder frogs are damn old. I don't remember where I read this, it might have been one of those stupid "cousin in Japan" threads, but it said somewhere that the Toad Sage knew the Sage of Six Paths. I guess that would work out, if the Toad Sage is 1000 years old I was thinking that the Sage of the Six Paths was around during that time. But I don't know. We know for sure that the Sage has to be even older than 800 years old, since Ma and Pa thought the Rinnegan was a myth when they came out to help Jiraiya during the Pain battle, and said something to Jiraiya along the lines of they thought that was a myth. Could be right, who knows.



Yeah good point, the Shisui part was mostly speculation, but I added it in anyway so other people might be able to help and maybe we can figure out exactly how old he is. I completely forgot about the Hidden Mist not being involved in the Third War. Who knows maybe it wasn't a battle that was a part of the Third War, but a skirmish or something. Maybe Ao stole a Byakugan from a dead Hyuuga that died during the Third War, and once Konoha found that out, they sent a small team to go try and retrieve it. There is some speculation that Shisui was a part of Root, so maybe Danzo sent him to go get the Byakugan back.

I agree with your points though. I mean Shisui could have used his KA closer to the time of his death, it looks like his eye can regenerate the use of his MS even outside of his body, so maybe Itachi's crow couldn't have used KA until shortly before he gave it to Naruto, and that is why he didn't use it against Sasuke himself. Although Itachi made it seem when he was talking to Naruto that he just didn't WANT to use it against Sasuke, since he wanted to try to help Sasuke another way, which was his own death. I don't know, it is very complicated. One thing is for sure though, Shisui DID die 8 years ago, so Shisui himself could NOT have used KA at least 2 years before his death, otherwise Naruto would not have been able to use it against Itachi.

How do you know how long it takes Shisui to recharge and reuse his own jutsu? I dont remember reading this in the manga. He literally could have used it against Danzo in his fight for all we know. If the recovery time (for Shisui with his body for his eyes) is short, like a few hours, it could have been completely "recharged" for a new usage before he gave it to Itachi.

In other words Shisui's eye could have been used immediately by Itachi for all we know. Itachi didnt use it on Sauske b/c he had different intentions/plans.



-gHost Senju

 

[boshans]

This means that Madara would have been around 56 when Nagato was born, I think we all thought madara and the 1st were much older then they actually were

Yeah, I thought so to until I started doing created this thread. I mean they still would be pretty old in the current time, somewhere around 100 years old. I guess we usually think of them as being much older because they way things are presented in the manga, the way it's shown it seems like the First War happened a lot longer ago then it really did.

How do you know how long it takes Shisui to recharge and reuse his own jutsu? I dont remember reading this in the manga. He literally could have used it against Danzo in his fight for all we know. If the recovery time (for Shisui with his body for his eyes) is short, like a few hours, it could have been completely "recharged" for a new usage before he gave it to Itachi.

In other words Shisui's eye could have been used immediately by Itachi for all we know. Itachi didnt use it on Sauske b/c he had different intentions/plans.



-gHost Senju

Well the only thing we have to go on is Itachi saying it takes 10 years for his KA to activate again. I did say that we don't know for sure if this means that even his eye in his own body takes 10 years to activate again, or if it means that Itachi having it in the crow it would take 10 years to activate again. Either way, I said that Itachi wouldn't have used it against Sasuke anyway, because he wanted to die by his hands and hoped that that would make him return to Konoha.

Also if it is indeed true that even Shisui himself had to wait 10 years to activate his eye again, he could not have used KA at least 2 years before his death, otherwise it wouldn't have been active for Naruto to use against Itachi.

 

[veggetta13]

bow to the maSter bitches!! gave u the thanx dude.. freaking amazing! ( I did those mindly, but folks here need that kinda helP) OW YEAH